Man for all you medic role players perhaps the first rule of the hippocratic oath will serve you well here.

FIRST DO NO HARM!!!

Aside from the lul caldari bonus, the other problem is really the pg CPU issue. Ccp did a terrible job assigning those values and besides the rather broken amarr assault, every other race has to give up one two slots for fitting modules even at perfect skills to fully use and best fit suits. With the logi suits you just fit as needed and leave an equipment slot empty, or low quality fitted and make the hp disparity even larger than just the small bump from caldair logi bonus.

It's a catch 22 for ccp, they'll always need more CPU pg because of equip slots, instead they should drop other slots to avoid making them so desirable above assault suits.

Aside from the lul caldari bonus, the other problem is really the pg CPU issue. Ccp did a terrible job assigning those values and besides the rather broken amarr assault, every other race has to give up one two slots for fitting modules even at perfect skills to fully use and best fit suits. With the logi suits you just fit as needed and leave an equipment slot empty, or low quality fitted and make the hp disparity even larger than just the small bump from caldair logi bonus.

It's a catch 22 for ccp, they'll always need more CPU pg because of equip slots, instead they should drop other slots to avoid making them so desirable above assault suits.

H: Shield extender 54 CPU / 11PG
H: Shield extender 54 CPU / 11PG
H: Shield extender 54 CPU / 11PG
H: Shield extender 54 CPU / 11PG
H: Shield extender 54 CPU / 11 PG

Total = 270 CPU/ 55 PG

L: Complex Shield Regulator 35 CPU/ 3 PG
L: Complex Kinetic mod 27 CPU/ 15 PG
L:Basic Armor Repairer 20 CPU / 1 PG
L: Basic CPU Upgrade = 16% more CPU

Total = 83 CPU / 19 PG

LW: Balac: 90 CPU 13 PG
G: Core Locus grenade 48 CPU / 6 PG
Or Allotek Flux 52 CPU / 6 PG

Total: 138 or 142 CPU / 19 PG

E: Ishkone Gauged Nano Hive: 59 CPU / 11PG
E: Blank
E: Blank

Total: 59 CPU /11 PG

CPU Available: 507 / PG available: 101.4

Total CPU Used: 550 or 554 CPU / PG used: 104

But that doesn't fit right? Except 507 x 1.16 = 588.12

Still not enough PG right? Assault Rifle Fitting skill(whatever it's called) 13 x .25 = 3.25
104 - 3.25 = 100.75

So all this just barely fit, but is it really that much better than what can be done with a Caldari Assault Suit?

Edit:
Without CL bonus:
Caldari Assault: 412.5 + 290.4 =702.9 EHP
Caldari Logistics:337.5 + 363 = 700.5 EHP

With CL Bonus: 337.5 + 445.5 = 783 EHP
783(L) - 702.9(A) = 80.1 HP difference.

My god, this is game breaking

Edit: Now if you used a complex CPU Upgrade, and replaced the Basic Armor repairer with a PG Upgrade, then you would be able to fill your other equipment slots, but I want all assault users to realize that this is far more expensive than your suit would ever get.

Each race variant in logistics is superior to its equal in assault, what was once portrayed as the support class has become the way to go.

Let us not forget that a medium frame is almost as good as a racial assault suit, which is crap in comparison with a logistics suit.

While not all logis are OP, the caldari one is. It has more CPU/PG than any other assault, slightly lower base hp that can easily be overcome with all the extra slots it has, tons of equipments slots, and with its skills, high shield regeneration.

I really think a lot of the changes we've seen in uprising have been CCP laying the groundwork for new weapons, and modules we'll be seeing soon.Gäó If you have no idea what I'm talking about look up some EWAR modules in EVE Online. I think they're trying to shoehorn scouts into being target painters and logis to be EMCs and Tacklers. Just my 0.2 ISK...

I really think a lot of the changes we've seen in uprising have been CCP laying the groundwork for new weapons, and modules we'll be seeing soon.Gäó If you have no idea what I'm talking about look up some EWAR modules in EVE Online. I think they're trying to shoehorn scouts into being target painters and logis to be EMCs and Tacklers. Just my 0.2 ISK...

Well, it's still better than Amarr assault....

But I like being a logibee...

Think about it, we buzz around our squad, pollinating them with nanohives and we stab them in the ass with our injector needles. It all makes sense.

Yeah this is spot on. EW is going to be a huge part of DUST 514.

Then please enlighten me as to what your point actually was?

So logi's are op because they got good bonus's and assaults didn't? Buff the assault give it viable bonus's first.

Say for example the Cal logi lost its silly bonus and the assault got a bonus like +2% dam per level for assault and then some kind of racial bonus as well would you still go logi?

Probably.
I would slap on a complex damage mod, and I get to keep equipment slots.
Which means nanohives, nanite injectors and utility like the scanner.
If it was 15%, and the racial bonuses were good, then I would go assault.

I stole that idea from a thread belonging to Logi Bro I cant remember if it was +2% or 3% to be honest and the racial bonus's he came up with were pretty good something like that making all the suits useable would be better than just blanket nerfs in my opinion. You just know the Cal logi is OP but if the entire class gets nerf'd its just a question of whats next on the list to nerf back to the stone age.

In b4 "Tackling is OP!"

I hope the Webifier is an active high slot module or equipment that has a 40-60m range, 8.5m radius at max level and is reusable like injectors for -30-50% movement speed. I might actually give up my light weapon slot for that lol. What do you think?

My dropship forces me to use two turrets or else "INVALID FITTING".
Sucks more CPU/PG than I might like. I assume that's there for balance




The assault dropship forces Three turrets or else I can't make a single fitting.
Why can't this apply to Logi's dropsuits and might it prevent the Super-Assault troops that logis now can be?

More crazy ideas coming in.

Again, how are all the logis the problem?

I always envisioned it as a repair type device that could lock on and slow someone down for X ammount of seconds >:D. I can't imagine how they will implement it but I hope that it's a piece of equipment. I went Galente logi proto banking on the hope that CCP would give us lots of cool new toys to play with.

I'm looking forward to the EW suite of features A LOT! I'm a big fan of this side of combat and can't wait to be scrambling minimaps, blocking voice comms and giving my squad superior intel. :D

as you can see the opinion from a protobear constantly dying to militia dudes is not worth much might aswell remove all suits and have the same suit and weapon for everyone.

Because the caldari logistics is not the only problem, its all four of them being > assaults.

I've heard that every time a post is made in a logi-thread, a nanite injector is doomed to fail.



So, you agree that proto logis are not OP? Or do you just feel awesome calling people out on the internet?



Is this all he wrote? How do I know this isn't taken out of context? Can you include the source? I hope someone of CPM is capable to give more background about why he thinks that...How can we even start a decent thread based on this alone?

So, you agree that proto logis are not OP? Or do you just feel awesome calling people out on the internet?