Because the caldari logistics is not the only problem, its all four of them being > assaults.

If this is what one of our CPM thinks, then it be best to start preparing yourselves fellow logis, CCP's going to bring down Mjolnir any day now. Ignoring the fact that all complaints so far have been about the Caldari logi and no person has yet to actually give good reasons for why all Logis are in need of a nerf.

If this is what one of our CPM thinks, then it be best to start preparing yourselves fellow logis, CCP's going to bring down Mjolnir any day now. Ignoring the fact that all complaints so far have been about the Caldari logi and no person has yet to actually give good reasons for why all Logis are in need of a nerf.

While not all logis are OP, the caldari one is. It has more CPU/PG than any other assault, slightly lower base hp that can easily be overcome with all the extra slots it has, tons of equipments slots, and with its skills, high shield regeneration.

I have trouble taking this seriously...

What's the issue with the Amarr logi (for example?). Am I missing something, or are they missing something?

If this is what one of our CPM thinks, then it be best to start preparing yourselves fellow logis, CCP's going to bring down Mjolnir any day now. Ignoring the fact that all complaints so far have been about the Caldari logi and no person has yet to actually give good reasons for why all Logis are in need of a nerf.

If this is what one of our CPM thinks, then it be best to start preparing yourselves fellow logis, CCP's going to bring down Mjolnir any day now. Ignoring the fact that all complaints so far have been about the Caldari logi and no person has yet to actually give good reasons for why all Logis are in need of a nerf.

If this is what one of our CPM thinks, then it be best to start preparing yourselves fellow logis, CCP's going to bring down Mjolnir any day now. Ignoring the fact that all complaints so far have been about the Caldari logi and no person has yet to actually give good reasons for why all Logis are in need of a nerf.

I keep saying Logis dont need a nerf they just need less high/ low slots.......wait but before you stick the long arm of trolling down my throat.....

GIVE THEM SPECIALISED MED SLOTS UNIQUE TO THEIR SUIT that allow them to augment their repair, scan, rezing, hacking, and other passive skills so Logis who do want to play support now can do so with enhancements to their game, and those logis who want to run as "Assault +1's" cant nearly tank so much as they used to.

Don't worry.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I see the rest of the CPM pushing for balance specific balance changes beyond drawing attention to things that are obviously broken. This is not something we are suited for and in every situation it's better to point CCP to threads on the subjects than to simply say "Sup CCP, make this stat X cause we are CPM"


That's not what the CPM is there for, and it's not what we're going to do. Balance is best left to people who actually understand the concept of fair and objective use... Which is not the case for most of the CPM.

If a nerf comes it's because the community was spamming about it and that's all we had to link to CCP. Just sayin'

We've been doing this nerf witch hunt for 2 years. Look at how ****ed up Dust 514 is right now. Isn't it time we did something different. Logis are where they need to be and I wish I could meet Remnant and shake his hand. After the 14th, watch how many "Nerf the Scrambler Rifle!" threads pop up. IWS claimed that after this happens, players are going to move to the Gallente logi and go ham with that. My question is, with what SP? It's starting to actually make sense why the Logis are such an SP sink in the first place.
CCP, you magnificent bastards. You planned this all along, didn't you?

Moreover anyone who thinks the gallente logi is the better choice of slayer logi clearly hasn't used a minmatar logi. The threads that pop up once vk.1s are back are going to induce so much rage.

Future prediction of forum threads
Logi mk.1 is a better slayer than all assault suits

Yeah that'll be the day:

"Fear my suit that has been relatively unchanged since replication! Kneel in terror to my overpowered 4th equipment slot at the cost of stamina! All who oppose me shalL be slain by my racial bonus that is arguably only useful for one game mode!"

My prediction is that after the 14th, Logigate will come to a swift conclusion.

If this is what one of our CPM thinks, then it be best to start preparing yourselves fellow logis, CCP's going to bring down Mjolnir any day now. Ignoring the fact that all complaints so far have been about the Caldari logi and no person has yet to actually give good reasons for why all Logis are in need of a nerf.

Also, for Space Jebus's sake, please tell CCP that having a bright yellow combat suit is pretty much the worst possible combat idea ever.

Should only be yellow on the backplate, so team members know who the logi is but people attacking don't.

You're dealing in absolutes here. The only opinions you seem willing to address are either "logis are fine" which you seem to agree with, or "all logis are OP" which you dismiss. This isn't conducive to a productive conversation.

Only the Cladari logi is Op, it needs to be toned down. Could every other suit use some tweaks for better or worse? Yes, but they aren't the subject of these threads, and when the other logis are the subject of those threads it's because people are using the caladari logi to generalize them all as OP.

But if you want to me to take "all logis are OP" seriously, then how about you offer proof as to why each individual logi is OP? Start with the Amarr suit. I want stats and possible fittings, not just blanket statements, anyone who can't offer any needs to STFU before they ruin the game any more than they already have.

I have trouble taking this seriously...

What's the issue with the Amarr logi (for example?). Am I missing something, or are they missing something?

While not all logis are OP, the caldari one is. It has more CPU/PG than any other assault, slightly lower base hp that can easily be overcome with all the extra slots it has, tons of equipments slots, and with its skills, high shield regeneration.

Only the Cladari logi is Op, it needs to be toned down. Could every other suit use some tweaks for better or worse? Yes, but they aren't the subject of these threads, and when the other logis are the subject of those threads it's because people are using the caladari logi to generalize them all as OP.

But if you want to me to take "all logis are OP" seriously, then how about you offer proof as to why each individual logi is OP? Start with the Amarr suit. I want stats and possible fittings, not just blanket statements, anyone who can't offer any needs to STFU before they ruin the game any more than they already have.

Don't worry.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I see the rest of the CPM pushing for balance specific balance changes beyond drawing attention to things that are obviously broken. This is not something we are suited for and in every situation it's better to point CCP to threads on the subjects than to simply say "Sup CCP, make this stat X cause we are CPM"


That's not what the CPM is there for, and it's not what we're going to do. Balance is best left to people who actually understand the concept of fair and objective use... Which is not the case for most of the CPM.

If a nerf comes it's because the community was spamming about it and that's all we had to link to CCP. Just sayin'

Since I get the feeling that most people write and read in General Discussion exclusively, I am copying and pasting this from Feedback/Requests.

It's the racial bonuses. They seem completely and utterly arbitrary, and the game's overall balance suffers for it. We all know the most glaring and over-discussed racial bonus, the Caldari logi shield extender buff, but what about the heavy's "weapon feedback damage reduction?" What about the shield recharge rate increase to all the assault suits, even though it mostly benefits Amarr and Caldari? If any of these bonuses have any real reason behind them, may a Dev feel free to come in and tell me about it, but otherwise, I suggest a complete re-work of racial bonuses, and class bonuses.

Assault
Assault Dropsuit Bonus- 2% hand-held weaponry damage increase per level
Caldari Assault Bonus- 3% shield extender increase per level
Gallente Assault Bonus- 5% armor repair module rate increase per level
Minmatar Assault Bonus- 5% hand-held weaponry clip increase per level
Amarr Assault Bonus- 5% reduction to energy weapon heat build-up per level

Logistics
Logistics Dropsuit Bonus- Keep +1 armor repair per level
Caldari Logistics Bonus- 10% nanohive nanite capacity bonus per level
Gallente Logistics Bonus- 5% equipment PG/CPU reduction per level
Minmatar Logistics Bonus- Keep 5% hacking speed bonus per level
Amarr Logistics Bonus- 5% repair tool rate increase per level

Heavy
Heavy Dropsuit Bonus- 2% hand-held weaponry damage received reduction per level
Amarr Heavy Bonus- 2% dropsuit shield and armor increase per level

Scout
Scout Dropsuit Bonus- Keep 5% scan profile reduction per level
Gallente Scout Bonus- 10% dropsuit and active scanner scan radius increase per level
Minmatar Scout Bonus- Keep 5% melee and nova knife damage increase per level

You can see, excluding scouts, the bonuses have been changed to fit the role of the suit. The assault dropsuit's role has been strengthened for long life and general combat, the logistics dropsuit's role has been strengthened to triage and miscellaneous activities, and the heavy dropsuit's role has been strengthened to survivability beyond the assault dropsuit. Scouts still retain their recon and intelligence roles, and they are all spec'd to do what they are meant to do. Most importantly, there were no dropsuit base stat nerfs, which seems to be most people's ideas to fix imbalances.

Feel free to make your own amendments, and comment.

EDITS: Assault Dropsuit Bonus changed from 3% to 2% per level, Heavy Dropsuit Bonus changed from 3% to 2% to match.
Amarr Logistics given back 5% armor repair module rate bonus, was previously +5% repair tool rate per level, Amarr Assault given back energy weapon heat build-up reduction per level, was previously +5% armor repair module rate per level.
Minmatar Assault Bonus changed from +5% sidearm clip size to +5% any hand-held weapon clip size per level.
Even more changes: Gallente Assault given +5% armor repair module rate, Amarr Assault given +3% armor plate health bonus per level, Amarr Logi given back original +5% repair tool rate per level.
Amarr Assault Bonus changed again, now to 5% reduction to energy weapon heat build up per level.
Gallente Scout Bonus affects dropsuit AND active scanner radius now.