Moreover anyone who thinks the gallente logi is the better choice of slayer logi clearly hasn't used a minmatar logi. The threads that pop up once vk.1s are back are going to induce so much rage.

Future prediction of forum threads
Logi mk.1 is a better slayer than all assault suits

Should only be yellow on the backplate, so team members know who the logi is but people attacking don't.

Only the Cladari logi is Op, it needs to be toned down. Could every other suit use some tweaks for better or worse? Yes, but they aren't the subject of these threads, and when the other logis are the subject of those threads it's because people are using the caladari logi to generalize them all as OP.

But if you want to me to take "all logis are OP" seriously, then how about you offer proof as to why each individual logi is OP? Start with the Amarr suit. I want stats and possible fittings, not just blanket statements, anyone who can't offer any needs to STFU before they ruin the game any more than they already have.

Don't worry.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I see the rest of the CPM pushing for balance specific balance changes beyond drawing attention to things that are obviously broken. This is not something we are suited for and in every situation it's better to point CCP to threads on the subjects than to simply say "Sup CCP, make this stat X cause we are CPM"


That's not what the CPM is there for, and it's not what we're going to do. Balance is best left to people who actually understand the concept of fair and objective use... Which is not the case for most of the CPM.

If a nerf comes it's because the community was spamming about it and that's all we had to link to CCP. Just sayin'

Since I get the feeling that most people write and read in General Discussion exclusively, I am copying and pasting this from Feedback/Requests.

It's the racial bonuses. They seem completely and utterly arbitrary, and the game's overall balance suffers for it. We all know the most glaring and over-discussed racial bonus, the Caldari logi shield extender buff, but what about the heavy's "weapon feedback damage reduction?" What about the shield recharge rate increase to all the assault suits, even though it mostly benefits Amarr and Caldari? If any of these bonuses have any real reason behind them, may a Dev feel free to come in and tell me about it, but otherwise, I suggest a complete re-work of racial bonuses, and class bonuses.

Assault
Assault Dropsuit Bonus- 2% hand-held weaponry damage increase per level
Caldari Assault Bonus- 3% shield extender increase per level
Gallente Assault Bonus- 5% armor repair module rate increase per level
Minmatar Assault Bonus- 5% hand-held weaponry clip increase per level
Amarr Assault Bonus- 5% reduction to energy weapon heat build-up per level

Logistics
Logistics Dropsuit Bonus- Keep +1 armor repair per level
Caldari Logistics Bonus- 10% nanohive nanite capacity bonus per level
Gallente Logistics Bonus- 5% equipment PG/CPU reduction per level
Minmatar Logistics Bonus- Keep 5% hacking speed bonus per level
Amarr Logistics Bonus- 5% repair tool rate increase per level

Heavy
Heavy Dropsuit Bonus- 2% hand-held weaponry damage received reduction per level
Amarr Heavy Bonus- 2% dropsuit shield and armor increase per level

Scout
Scout Dropsuit Bonus- Keep 5% scan profile reduction per level
Gallente Scout Bonus- 10% dropsuit and active scanner scan radius increase per level
Minmatar Scout Bonus- Keep 5% melee and nova knife damage increase per level

You can see, excluding scouts, the bonuses have been changed to fit the role of the suit. The assault dropsuit's role has been strengthened for long life and general combat, the logistics dropsuit's role has been strengthened to triage and miscellaneous activities, and the heavy dropsuit's role has been strengthened to survivability beyond the assault dropsuit. Scouts still retain their recon and intelligence roles, and they are all spec'd to do what they are meant to do. Most importantly, there were no dropsuit base stat nerfs, which seems to be most people's ideas to fix imbalances.

Feel free to make your own amendments, and comment.

EDITS: Assault Dropsuit Bonus changed from 3% to 2% per level, Heavy Dropsuit Bonus changed from 3% to 2% to match.
Amarr Logistics given back 5% armor repair module rate bonus, was previously +5% repair tool rate per level, Amarr Assault given back energy weapon heat build-up reduction per level, was previously +5% armor repair module rate per level.
Minmatar Assault Bonus changed from +5% sidearm clip size to +5% any hand-held weapon clip size per level.
Even more changes: Gallente Assault given +5% armor repair module rate, Amarr Assault given +3% armor plate health bonus per level, Amarr Logi given back original +5% repair tool rate per level.
Amarr Assault Bonus changed again, now to 5% reduction to energy weapon heat build up per level.
Gallente Scout Bonus affects dropsuit AND active scanner radius now.

Aside from the lul caldari bonus, the other problem is really the pg CPU issue. Ccp did a terrible job assigning those values and besides the rather broken amarr assault, every other race has to give up one two slots for fitting modules even at perfect skills to fully use and best fit suits. With the logi suits you just fit as needed and leave an equipment slot empty, or low quality fitted and make the hp disparity even larger than just the small bump from caldair logi bonus.

It's a catch 22 for ccp, they'll always need more CPU pg because of equip slots, instead they should drop other slots to avoid making them so desirable above assault suits.

Yeah this is spot on. EW is going to be a huge part of DUST 514.

My dropship forces me to use two turrets or else "INVALID FITTING".
Sucks more CPU/PG than I might like. I assume that's there for balance




The assault dropship forces Three turrets or else I can't make a single fitting.
Why can't this apply to Logi's dropsuits and might it prevent the Super-Assault troops that logis now can be?

I always envisioned it as a repair type device that could lock on and slow someone down for X ammount of seconds >:D. I can't imagine how they will implement it but I hope that it's a piece of equipment. I went Galente logi proto banking on the hope that CCP would give us lots of cool new toys to play with.

I'm looking forward to the EW suite of features A LOT! I'm a big fan of this side of combat and can't wait to be scrambling minimaps, blocking voice comms and giving my squad superior intel. :D

this post right here needs to be stickied for the slow to comprehend. Logis dont need high and low slots to do their jobs. they need equipment. large amount of slots just makes them a an anomaly that can carry equipment and be the best assault class simultaneously.

the 'buff assaults' debate fails hard. assaults are fine. the problem is that the logi suits are better than their assault counterparts. its also not just the caldari so stop saying it. the gallente will have the same problem when they add armor mods that dont affect movement.

no amount of QQ threads will change the fact that anyone who can read knows to pick a bumblebee suit and a tactical AR if they want to do well. CCP will address it, you dont have to like it.

Off topic but Cosgar I seem to recall you mentioning a milita ScR in a different thread is this definatley confirmed?

In a different thread you mentioned a militia scrambler rifle lol and everyone wanted to know if there definatley was one the thread was "Its tomorrow."

My assesment is that only the Caldari Logi needs tuning:

Currently, the bonus is too combat oriented.
Also, having NINE HI/LOs (+3 EQ)) is too much when compared to even other logis.


Fix those and we are ready for next testing round.


If devs feel that all logis are too combat-oriented and are too flexible so they trump assaults, removing flexibility is NOT the way.
Better solution: Give assault class some sweet combat oriented bonus which would define them as combat platform.


(perhaps even... +1% damage per level OMG?? )