Logistics
Logistics Dropsuit Bonus- 5% equipment PG/CPU reduction per level
Caldari Logistics Bonus- ***********************************************************************************************************
Gallente Logistics Bonus- +1 armor reapir per level
Minmatar Logistics Bonus- Keep 5% hacking speed bonus per level
Amarr Logistics Bonus- 5% repair module and reactive plate repair rate increase per level

I actually did change the Minmatar bonus, it is currently 5% sidearm clip size, so I changed it to 5% increase to any handheld weapon clip size.

Making +1 rep the Gallente bonus really makes the Amarr bonus useless. Well, not useless, but blatantly UP. For the Amarr bonus to be equal to the Gallente one, you'd need 4x complex reppers. Anything less and it's just a straight up worse bonus, and there's only 3 low slots. Amarr logis already gets f--ked with the sidearm slot (ostensibly the Amarr logi's differentiating factor) and 3rd equipment slot not being available until proto level, don't add this too.

Oh LOL I didnt see that. Probably because its so similar......

That would make that bonus really good........perhaps better than any of the other bonuses so it might be too strong of a bonus actually then. Not that I would complain mind you but for balancing purposes an extra 25% clip to all handheld weaponry means assault scrambler rifles with 90 rounds in a single Mag. Personally I think the stamina bonus would be better and more inline with the minmatar racial philosophy.

the suit isnt overpowered at all, other logi classes just need comparable bonuses. otherwise its just nerfing the whole logi line into the ground.

Also, yes, the CaLogi suit IS overpowered. Math numbers wise, it is, even just in terms of base stats without specialization bonuses. Compare it to the Amarr proto logi- the CaLogi suit loses the sidearm slot and 30 total base HP (though I would argue that 180/90 base is better than 120/180) and gains... hmm... almost 5% faster move speed, 18 PG, -2 seconds of shield recharge delay, 2 high slots and 1 low slot. That's ignoring the massive disparity in their bonuses, which doesn't need discussion here.

I think the point Zdub, is that if you want to be a "frontline" guy that can occasionally rep or revive someone, you can be an assault with a rep tool or injector. It'll force you to make a compromise. If you choose to be logi, in theory you're choosing to be the repper and reviver, and are making a sacrifice to your "frontline" combat ability.

The Cal Logi sort of doesn't make that compromise. It's basically just as good a combat piece as any assault. (arguably better because of it's slot count and higher CPU/PG)

You're saying that the other Logi suits are UP, but the others are saying (and I agree) that the Cal Logi suit is prob OP, when you think about what the intended role of Logi class is supposed to be.

Only a few things i'd changed in your suggestion to be honest :

Logistics
Logistics Dropsuit Bonus- 5% equipment PG/CPU reduction per level
Caldari Logistics Bonus- 10% nanohive nanite capacity bonus per level
Gallente Logistics Bonus- +1 armor repair rate per level
Minmatar Logistics Bonus- Keep 5% hacking speed bonus per level
Amarr Logistics Bonus- 5% repair module and reactive plate repair rate increase per level

Very important that the specialization bonus ties into the support role and not into survivability. Effect is the same, one slot saved as you wont need a CPU or PG extender.

Heavy
Sentinel Specialization Bonus- Damage reduction is pretty tricky atm according to Devs. I'd go with a +5% bonus to hp of base shield and armor per level.
Amarr Sentinel Bonus- Should be tied to the efficiency of an Amarr Heavy weapon. Could be 1% damage buff to heavy weapons in the meantime.

Commando specialization bonus : I'd go with a 3% increase to sprint, stamina and stamina recovery per level.
Amarr Commando Bonus- 5% decrease in light weapon CPU and PG use per level


Assault
Assault Dropsuit Bonus- 2% hand-held weaponry damage increase per level (may be a bit too much, even 1% is enough to send a signal )
Caldari Assault Bonus- 5% shield recharge rate increase per level
Gallente Assault Bonus- 10% basic armor plate movement penalty reduction per level
Minmatar Assault Bonus- 5% hand-held weaponry clip increase per level
Amarr Assault Bonus- 5% reduction to energy weapon heat build-up per level

rest would be ok for me.

Scout
Scout Dropsuit Bonus- Keep 5% scan profile reduction per level
Gallente Scout Bonus- 10% dropsuit and active scanner scan radius increase per level
Minmatar Scout Bonus- Keep 5% melee and nova knife damage increase per level

will leave scout judge that part.

So mostly, those bonuses fits what i'd suggest myself.

you obv don't play in PC.

In pubs... yeah you might be right.. but in PC cal logis get trashed by good assault players.

I can only imagine how bad it is for 'non-cal' logis.

I guess I'm just trying to keep logi players somewhat viable in PC as I'm not ready for 9 weeks of grinding to get proto assault.

Im curious though; what is the intended role of a logi?

To sit behind the front lines with a rep tool?

With these new changes logis will be severly inferior in combat. assault players will have higher base health, 10% more damage, and much higher movement speed. 1v1 with equal skills logis wont stand a chance... they'll just be free WPs. Should logis never engage in combat? is that their 'purpose'...?

I guess its just time for me to roll assault then. I enjoyed being able to actually play on the frontline with my assault buddies while still providing some support via equipment. But clearly everyone wants to make sure logis get nothing but a few token kill steals in a game.

It was a good run, but c'est la vie. All I can hope is that remnant makes these changes after 1.4... so I can hopefully be close to the 2.5 mil needed to run an assault suit. Gonna be very interesting to see what people think if assaults get a 10% damage bonus, pretty sure you won't see many logis after that.

Pffft come on, a 10% damage gap is not insurmountable, even in the average 1v1 firefight. Surely, at some point, you've killed an opponent with more than 10% of your health remaining. Skill would be the determining factor, and that's a good thing.

But for the sake of argument, let's say you're right and that 10% effectiveness gap WILL crush the logi class. That argument works just as well in reverse, except right now and not theoretically: a proto Cal assault running up against a proto Cal logi leaves the assault with no damage advantage and a significant tank disadvantage due to the Cal logi's shield bonuses and additional slots. A little bit of strafe speed on the assault's side does not sufficiently compensate for this.

It sounds to me like someone just wants to keep their FOTM.

I guess its just time for me to roll assault then. I enjoyed being able to actually play on the frontline with my assault buddies while still providing some support via equipment. But clearly everyone wants to make sure logis get nothing but a few token kill steals in a game.

It was a good run, but c'est la vie. All I can hope is that remnant makes these changes after 1.4... so I can hopefully be close to the 2.5 mil needed to run an assault suit. Gonna be very interesting to see what people think if assaults get a 10% damage bonus, pretty sure you won't see many logis after that.

Sounds more like your a slayer at heart, which is fine but the suits should have some slight role division. If logis are 1 to 1 with assaults stat wise, losing only in the stat they don't boost (hp, speed, or damage) while having more equipment slots makes Assaults question their role. I think this is also reflected by the fact that this is probably one of the few games where the "support" role was was populated by close to half of the player population, because it was an assault with slightly lower stats and more equipment slots. Essentially no logi is leaving logi, just assaults.

Back in Beta where we scouts were able to effectively speed tank, we got populated by a lot of assaults and had the nerf hammer smack us hard. A suggesting of buffing assaults through racials is a much more beneficial method for give assaults their role vs nerfing logis into our current status.

also another thing I've been considering... a 10% damage increase on assaults would completely nullify the use of any other suit for sniping. Something to consider... scout sniping would be thing of the past.

I just want my new heavies suits

And I certainly hope CCP wises up and makes the bonuses for those suits actually useful.

I enjoy actually playing support to a squad... but come on... its a shooter game. I think most of us want to shoot our gun.. no?

I understand there are some true die hard logis out there who would prefer if their primary weapon was a repair tool so they could run another piece of equipment... but I can't imagine that is the play style they were going for. In PS2 I could see that play style working really well, but in a 16v16 shooter... someone who plays like that is generally just gimping their team by taking a gun off the field.

I just don't want to have to run every time I see a proto assault cause I know its going to end in death... that just sounds sad

Seems like PC is going to end up being completely assault/heavy though eventually anyways... there's no place for true logis in PC when the action is too intense to even bother trying to revive people and nobody sits still enough for reps. Assaults spawning in with 50% uplinks and 50% nanohives can do the job so much better. I guess thats the reason im pushing for the cal logi to remain as it is and to bring up other logis to its level, instead of nerfing cal logi down so its forced to play 'true logi'.

I know it doesn't seem like it in pubs, when people like me are running around pubstomping... but I played b-series logi in chromosome and did the same thing (getting better scores than I do now). Its not that I'm crutching on cal logi to continue pubstomping... that is not at all the reason why I am posting to keep it the way it is. I am just trying to keep logis viable in PC, in which cal logi is actually fairly well balanced with its shield bonus. I'm not generally looking for fights, but if someone is coming after me... I stand a chance at least.

shield recharge delay reduction?