What do all those EVE players say, dont fly what you cant afford to lose right?
Besides with the ceiling as high as it is you can fly up out of range easily and hide your shiny toy in the sky

I swear to god everyone that pilots a vehicle in this game is near constantly calling for infantry to rendered useless against them
Anti vehicle stuff exists, deal with it, and you dont see real world pilots going "Waaaah, RPGS designed in the 70s are still a threat to us, tell the enemy commander he needs to nerf his soldiers weapons so we cant be shot down"

Not constructive in any way and useless^^^^^^^^^^

Anyways

The cost of the DS were supposed to have been cut in half, still not enough of a difference to make a profit.

CCP address this before the extinction of the DS. Just lower the price of DS and or mods.

While I definitely feel for my fellow pilots, this increase in range thing is going to be a massive blessing to us, and the game as a whole.

So long as forge guns have their optimal range tweaked back just a little, so falloff kicks in a little sooner, we can actually use distance more effectively against them, without completely nulifying their usefulness. I feel like that will create a better dynamic between AV on the ground and pilots in the sky, and will encourage forge gunners to try and get the jump on lower flying ships, instead of just taking a shot no matter where they are.

As to people saying that they are too weak, I just have to say you're doing it wrong. A dropships defense is it's mobility, if you're getting shot down a lot it's because you're ALLOWING yourself to be shot. In real life helicopters stay alive not by being invulnerable to harm but simply by getting out of harms way. DUST works the same way.

Honestly this may not be true to life, but unless pc maps are so big that dropships become more viable, I would have no problem if the base hp of specialized dropships was raised significantly if IF the price increased. Leave the base versions cheap, but make the advanced ones either super fast, or super tanky. I mean like enough to take 5 hits from an installation or 3 hits from a double modded proto forge. This is just me, so feel free to tell me to go biomass myself, but I think considering they can transport 5 guys...they should cost more and be able to stand the heat. I dunno about balance cause this is my 1st fps since like halo 3, but that's my 0.02 isk

What should they do, be flying out of range the entire match?

What do all those EVE players say, dont fly what you cant afford to lose right?
Besides with the ceiling as high as it is you can fly up out of range easily and hide your shiny toy in the sky

I swear to god everyone that pilots a vehicle in this game is near constantly calling for infantry to rendered useless against them
Anti vehicle stuff exists, deal with it, and you dont see real world pilots going "Waaaah, RPGS designed in the 70s are still a threat to us, tell the enemy commander he needs to nerf his soldiers weapons so we cant be shot down"

There's a concept called "Window of vulnerability." This is how long you allow yourself to be exposed to effective enemy fire. You don't have to stay away the ENTIRE match, but you do want to minimize the amount of time the enemy can try to kill you. A good dropship pilot will only be exposed for seconds at a time, meaning only a GOOD AV player will have time to spot, aim, then fire on them.

This is a skillset that you won't find on your skill tree. Master it an you'll find that dropships are actually pretty tough to shoot down if they are in the hands of a good pilot. This is also the reason why you occasionally hear about dropships being TOO hard to kill.

Serimos, while I agree that they cost too much I (and other dropship pilots I know) have found a few fits that allow them to put out quite a bit of damage. Right now I'm testing out a build using an Incubus, three prototype damage mods and an afterburner. It may be light on defense but it packs a punch. The only problem I have with it is that the Gallente dropships crosshairs are crazy hard to hold on target so my accuracy is terrible using anything but a blaster. If you want to talk shop some send me a mail in game and I'll gladly chat. I'm always happy to talk to another pilot.

Thank you for being the first one to start a discussion here. That's the main issue i have been really trying to grasp, the fact they said they cut the prices in half, but in reality (once you start to upgrade the sheilds, boosters, overdrive injectors, and turrets) they start adding up to about what they used to cost anyways. 1 Assault dropship for me is 840k, and it still has all Small turret slots, so the front cannon still does hardly anything, even with the decent AT-1 turrets.

im paying 1.4mill isk for 1 assault dropship and 950k isk for 1 logi dropship. so price cut in half is a load of ****

im paying 1.4mill isk for 1 assault dropship and 950k isk for 1 logi dropship. so price cut in half is a load of ****

I'm not asking for a huge nerf that would dismantle things for others, it's just that it is literally impossible to earn money as a DS pilot, while everyone else can still make a reasonable profit. There needs to be incintives for being a "pilot", especially a logistics one. And the fact there isn't and still has not been is extremely discouraging, especially with a company like CCP that boasts its large-scale warfare. What's even more discouraging is i am sure you yourself are not even a dropship pilot. I fly very well, and rarely loose any dropships in matches, but even though i am good and can support my team and myself, i still earn no money. This, is the problem.

Also, kind of pointing out the obvious here; But EVE and Dust (Gameplay wise) Are two COMPLETELY different things. Especially as far as the economy is concerned.

I think this is the right place for it Caotic, we're not really giving specific feedback so much as just discussing the issue. Goodnight by the way...

What do all those EVE players say, dont fly what you cant afford to lose right?
Besides with the ceiling as high as it is you can fly up out of range easily and hide your shiny toy in the sky

I swear to god everyone that pilots a vehicle in this game is near constantly calling for infantry to rendered useless against them
Anti vehicle stuff exists, deal with it, and you dont see real world pilots going "Waaaah, RPGS designed in the 70s are still a threat to us, tell the enemy commander he needs to nerf his soldiers weapons so we cant be shot down"