DUST Search - 5-14, Last chance to respec out of vehicles and INTO: Forge guns

Polish Hammer wrote:

ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote:

Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:

I just will smile and leave this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfyiDuqvCc

Yup. Thanks for the demonstration.

I'm sorry, but this lends nothing to your argument.

Specter is (as demonstrated here) a skilled player. I'm not denying that. What I am denying though is that there is an over abundance of players using the forge gun in such an aggressive manner that would warrant "nerfing," thus not damaging diversity.

"Final Point - For something to be OP, it must be out competing the other items. It must be dominating in terms of numbers, thus reducing the complexity and diversity of the game, thus making the game less desirable"

Again, I brought this up because you have still failed to produce any relevant evidence showing the quote statement above. I still see plenty of tanks brought out as well as dropships being brought out during this build and even before in Chromosome.

Also, the video evidence doesn't translate to this build. The forge guns were tweaked slightly and the splash damage radius is not nearly what it was in Chromosome.

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Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries 164	Posted - 2013.05.14 03:31:00 - [91] - Quote I just will smile and leave this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfyiDuqvCc
ALM1GHTY B44L R00 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 29	Posted - 2013.05.14 03:40:00 - [92] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: I just will smile and leave this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfyiDuqvCc Yup. Thanks for the demonstration.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 404	Posted - 2013.05.14 20:06:00 - [93] - Quote What? Assault forge guns do more damage than the standard variants.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 428	Posted - 2013.05.14 20:10:00 - [94] - Quote Considering the additional huge HP nerf to drop-ships as of today, the 14, it looks like I was right. Abandon ship!
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 404	Posted - 2013.05.14 21:05:00 - [95] - Quote ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: I just will smile and leave this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfyiDuqvCc Yup. Thanks for the demonstration. I'm sorry, but this lends nothing to your argument. Specter is (as demonstrated here) a skilled player. I'm not denying that. What I am denying though is that there is an over abundance of players using the forge gun in such an aggressive manner that would warrant "nerfing," thus not damaging diversity. "Final Point - For something to be OP, it must be out competing the other items. It must be dominating in terms of numbers, thus reducing the complexity and diversity of the game, thus making the game less desirable" Again, I brought this up because you have still failed to produce any relevant evidence showing the quote statement above. I still see plenty of tanks brought out as well as dropships being brought out during this build and even before in Chromosome. Also, the video evidence doesn't translate to this build. The forge guns were tweaked slightly and the splash damage radius is not nearly what it was in Chromosome.
ALM1GHTY B44L R00 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2013.05.14 21:22:00 - [96] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: I just will smile and leave this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfyiDuqvCc Yup. Thanks for the demonstration. I'm sorry, but this lends nothing to your argument. Specter is (as demonstrated here) a skilled player. I'm not denying that. What I am denying though is that there is an over abundance of players using the forge gun in such an aggressive manner that would warrant "nerfing," thus not damaging diversity. "Final Point - For something to be OP, it must be out competing the other items. It must be dominating in terms of numbers, thus reducing the complexity and diversity of the game, thus making the game less desirable" Again, I brought this up because you have still failed to produce any relevant evidence showing the quote statement above. I still see plenty of tanks brought out as well as dropships being brought out during this build and even before in Chromosome. Also, the video evidence doesn't translate to this build. The forge guns were tweaked slightly and the splash damage radius is not nearly what it was in Chromosome. Here's the problem. Once you spend all that SP on vehicles, your choices are pretty much use the vehicles and die constantly, or use infantry and die constantly. Right now, we all have 100s of millions of ISK, so might as well continue dying in the stuff you skilled into. The interesting thing about Specter's video, is it shows how easily a halfway decent player can be competitive against infantry AND trash vehicles with ease. There's no balance there, because you can do it all with that single weapon. Why skill into HMG when you can do almost as well with a forge gun AND completely negate all enemy vehicle usage? Why use a swarm launcher when you can put those points into Forge Gun and have an infantry weapon that's better than a shotgun AND do way more damage to vehicles as well. I just don't know how you can play with either a forge gun or a dropship and not come to the conclusion that something is WAY out of whack. I don't even know how to debate with you about it, because your position seems so unfounded. It's never fun to be OHK'd, especially in a 1 Mil ISK piece of equipment, by a 50k ISK piece of equipment, with no warning, no reprisal, no chance to do anything about it, and knowing the guy with the 50k ISK weapon didn't even have to plan ahead or use any strategy because the weapon is also perfectly viable against infantry as well. It's just plain old not fun, and requires less skill and foresight than any other weapon on the field. You point, you pull the trigger, things die. There's nothing particularly impressive about specter's video, he's just pointing the gun at things and watching them disintegrate. There's no way for anyone that he's shooting to even compete because he's got a gun that OHKs EVERYTHING.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 437	Posted - 2013.05.14 21:27:00 - [97] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: I just will smile and leave this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfyiDuqvCc DS have less health and PG in this new build too. See how fast that thing charges? Yeah, somebody with no idea what they're talking about will tell pilots to "just dodge it". Lol, once that first hit comes out of nowhere and you're already burning, there's no way to move fast enough to dodge the second. I've been weaving full speed and got nailed in the butt by 4 in a row. That guy was a good shot - I think- but wow. Video demonstrates well how silly this weapon is vs infantry as well.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 404	Posted - 2013.05.14 21:40:00 - [98] - Quote Taken from Dusts own site (this is similar, if not the same as what is in the game description) " the Forge Gun utilizes a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds in excess of 7,000 m/s, enough to penetrate even augmented armor systems." My argument comes from a relatively simple question, based off of the weapons description: "What in the hell do you expect it to do?"
ALM1GHTY B44L R00 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2013.05.14 21:45:00 - [99] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: Taken from Dusts own site (this is similar, if not the same as what is in the game description) " the Forge Gun utilizes a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds in excess of 7,000 m/s, enough to penetrate even augmented armor systems." My argument comes from a relatively simple question, based off of the weapons description: "What in the hell do you expect it to do?" You understand that it's not real, right? CCP made that description up. You don't balance a game based on a description written by one guy a year and a half ago. The description can be changed.


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