Note before we begin: we are all thinking human beings. I fully believe, even with the presence of total anonymity, that we can have rational and kind discussion. We may not agree on many things in our lives (the typical topics that divide us IRL) but we each played this game as Beta testers and we likely enjoyed it. So please, keep it civil.

To those who state that there should be no more resets, what are your reasons for that position?

Be well.

My argument....CCP said that there was going to be NO MORE FULL SP RESETS.

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Note before we begin: we are all thinking human beings. I fully believe, even with the presence of total anonymity, that we can have rational and kind discussion. We may not agree on many things in our lives (the typical topics that divide us IRL) but we each played this game as Beta testers and we likely enjoyed it. So please, keep it civil.

To those who state that there should be no more resets, what are your reasons for that position?

Be well.

I made a post about an SP reset yesterday. Th point of that post was to express a hypothetical so older players could step back and see the game in its current state as it is rather then what they hope it will be.

But yeah I have 3 million SP and i think the whole SP/leveling system should be thrown in the garbage can. Not reset, trashed.

Are we talking about respec or reset? The post title says respec, but the OP says reset....

That's a core mechanic. No.

they shjouldn't even think about respecs until new suits and vehicles are introduced

OP is sick and an idiot. OP meant respec ("Here, have your points back and respend") and not reset.

Why, what foul and disrespectful language. The OP would be disappointed in such name calling!

I made a post about an SP reset yesterday. Th point of that post was to express a hypothetical so older players could step back and see the game in its current state as it is rather then what they hope it will be.

But yeah I have 3 million SP and i think the whole SP/leveling system should be thrown in the garbage can. Not reset, trashed.

I want the SP/level system removed from the game so i can have fun playing the game NOW. This is an FPS i want all my FPS toys to play with now not in some distant future. I also want to beat or be beat by players who are on par with me...not be face stomped by horrible FPS EvE players who spent the last 6 months AFKing in the MCC.

I'd just like to see stupid people getting punished for their lack of patience and reading comprehenson, for once, there is generally too little of that going around.

The OP made a mistake, which is more forgivable than pure rudeness.

Don't worry Jin. Disturbingly Bored was not being rude. He was having a laugh at the fact that (if you look closely) I am the one who called myself an idiot. I just spoke in the third person.

Be well.

Because skill points were reset to zero due to there being an almost complete change to the skill system. Now, they're simply adding new skills at release on the 14th. Who made mistakes at this opportunity to reallocate SP? Us. The ones with millions of SP. Now, is this not fair? New players can learn from OUR mistakes, OUR failures, and essentially gain an advantage over US.

If we're going to give ourselves a chance to begin anew every bloody time we make a mistake, this world would be paradise.

Learn from what we did wrong, teach the newbies what to do, and guess what? Suddenly, the SP system WORKS IN AN FPS.

Bloody hell.

Stop calling for another reallocation and start writing guides for newbies as to how they should go about spending SP wisely.

I want to see the sandbox pure. Bad decisions punished, -stability-. If respec is allowed now, will the path lead to more and more catering to mediocrity? EVE does not cater to mediocrity. It's a very unforgiving game and just that purity of design makes it stable and interesting. Dust needs to step up the standards and harden the f up so that it can one day become a part of the intriguing sandbox.

There are no points. People went into skills that did not do what they were suppose to, so obviously they deserve a respec. The only way you could have known anything about it would be to learn from those poor unfortunate souls who did spec into the skill. The research argument is horseshit.

Research argument? The hell is so friggin hard to press Triangle and read through what the skill does? Is it that hard to press a single button and read a simple few sentences? Really? You have seriously got to be kidding me.

There are no points. People went into skills that did not do what they were suppose to, so obviously they deserve a respec. The only way you could have known anything about it would be to learn from those poor unfortunate souls who did spec into the skill. The research argument is horseshit.

Isn't the issue that the skill does not do what the triangle menu says it would? If not then i agree.

I know theres a skill in the entire skill tree that doesnt do what it says and that is that PG Skill for Vehicles and that's the only one I herd of. If there's more then that's a problem, but if there isn't I say these whiners deserve what they get.

And here we go, the respec would NOT be due to new content, there will always be new content. This is the danger of allowing respecs, people will think its for the wrong reasons and I can already see the "why no respec for new vehicles, you did it before, unfair!!!" threads that will roll in.

A thousand times this, the skill system in use is a terrible fit for the genre of game this is

Only good points I see are for a respec. So much changed they deemed it necessary to give us a respec. My question is why only one, why not two or three or five? Game got a lot deeper when they crushed the value of skill points.

If they dont make any drastic changes to the weapons then going tactical assault rifle is kind of a no brainer. Be really funny if everybody respecs into assault rifle and then ccp gives it a big nerf. lol. Wouldnt surprise me, so I'd probably spec the same thiing I have now.

Maybe remove the whole skill system while you're at it? And to make it even more fair,

I made a post about an SP reset yesterday. Th point of that post was to express a hypothetical so older players could step back and see the game in its current state as it is rather then what they hope it will be.

But yeah I have 3 million SP and i think the whole SP/leveling system should be thrown in the garbage can. Not reset, trashed.

I want the SP/level system removed from the game so i can have fun playing the game NOW. This is an FPS i want all my FPS toys to play with now not in some distant future. I also want to beat or be beat by players who are on par with me...not be face stomped by horrible FPS EvE players who spent the last 6 months AFKing in the MCC.

Because running around with proto scrambler rifles the day they are released is a bit absurd.

I'm in favor of a total wipe on the 14th.

I made a post about an SP reset yesterday. Th point of that post was to express a hypothetical so older players could step back and see the game in its current state as it is rather then what they hope it will be.

But yeah I have 3 million SP and i think the whole SP/leveling system should be thrown in the garbage can. Not reset, trashed.

I want the SP/level system removed from the game so i can have fun playing the game NOW. This is an FPS i want all my FPS toys to play with now not in some distant future. I also want to beat or be beat by players who are on par with me...not be face stomped by horrible FPS EvE players who spent the last 6 months AFKing in the MCC.

I say if you want another respec you should have to give 1mil SP or something.

Why, what foul and disrespectful language. The OP would be disappointed in such name calling!



ED: And on topic -

I believe this game should get a standardized respec. We got our free one already. Players should have the option to pay something prohibitive, like say 50,000 AUR, to respec again and again should they want it bad enough.

EVE gives you one free attribute respec a year, as I recall, and you can pay for more after that.

You can re allocate attributes that influence skill training but you cannot reallocate SP.

they shjouldn't even think about respecs until new suits and vehicles are introduced

This, ^

If CCP does it now, then people will complain when the new gear roles in. At least wait till that stuff is released.

Another topic are reimbursements for broken skill descriptions. Everyone should be refunded the SP spent on vehicle electronics and dropsuit shield skills taken for vehicle shields.

So when they release the MAV, or maybe they should wait for the jets, or maybe they should wait for MTACs, etc.

Yes, but something like the commander or pilot suit getting added is different than us getting the missing scout and heavy suits. Those two, along with assaults and logis, are the 4 main roles, and I don't understand why CCP would ever release the game without them. (although it seems logis are now considered a secondary role )

It's simply unfair that scouts and especially heavies have no alternatives while assaults and logis have all 4 suits to choose from. This isn't just new content, it's content that should have been here by the time of release. The fact that it's not is a failure on CCP's part, and the players should not be punished because of it.

So yes, we need a respec, but only once the rest of the content is here.

I disagree with SP reallocation but in this case there are not racial variants of all suits and weapons. Either they should have released it a little faster or waited for full launch. The missing suits and weapons are the only reasons to justify the respec and then only into the wsapon or suit type.

Scrambler rifle would allow for light weapon only to be refunded.
New Heavy suits for SP spent on the only heavy we have.

Though this would only cover the very first set of suits and weapons. ANYTHING after that would not be good.

I'm a bit concerned about respec.. density. There are lots of bugs being worked through now - the one where vehicle users had to use dropsuit skills to fit things is an obvious one. Now it's fixed I hear... they didn't get that SP back. They skilled into dropsuit shields TO use vehicles, it seems reasonable to do so... but it would be hard to handle all those on an individual basis. Respec makes sense there, no?

What about the nerf bat? People have skilled into Caldari logistics and other things because of it's perceived strength, or logi preference... whatever. It has a synergy of skills, slots, etc. that work for both I suppose. What if some of the suggestions for logi nerfs went through and restricted them to sidearms only (which Logis wouldn't skill because they have no sidearm slot), and/or cut their slots and changed their passives. That's a pretty drastic change to the basis of the class/role. Justified to let people respec then, right? They'd literally be unable to use the weapons they skilled up in that scenario.

What about new content? We haven't fixed uprising issues, and there's a batch of new content due on the 14th, what if they respec'd on the 14th and a whole new set of issues came up with scramblers, new suits, or balance changes that drastically changed things because of PC? Is another respec after that justified?

It seems like all of these are reasonable times to respec, I'd just be worried about the long-time integrity of the game if people were literally getting respec options every time anything changed slightly. However, I'd say a huge rebalance on something like Caldari logistics (as above) would seem to warrant it - that's 5 million SP flushed, more than many players even have if they completely changed something like that.

The staggered release of suits is also troubling, because you know some people would prefer variants that aren't out yet, and what happens when they are released? Do we get a respec.. or is it skilling from ground zero even if you wanted to be a Minmatar heavy from the get-go. The problem with the suit release is there are no set dates. If we knew "new suits in June", that's different from "new suits in October" as far as deciding to save points knowing there won't be a respec. It's hard to "plan" or save at all if you can't know what will come.