at what point did we get tech 2 suits or modules? all i see on market are tech 1 variants, std,adv and proto ,just like in eve. surely if we had tech 2 it would say that on the mod,weapon,suits.and if what we have now is supposedly t2 then this game is dumbing down far to much .maybe its just my perspective, but i want a game that will allow my char to grow, i would like to spend time getting into a real t2 suit , with maybe t2 resists and t2 bonuses. what we have now is just t1 stuff with added sp sinks to try and slow players progression. the proto basic frames are like buying a cruiser without any bonuses and the specialized suits are no different to standard t1 ships . t2 would be what we have now but with another set of bonuses . imagine a t2 heavy with bonuses to maybe tanking Hav damage long enough to stand toe to toe for a Short time and not being one shotted ,maybe a logi suit that actually improved remote rep rates or a revive% increase .of course non of this can happen if the game is simplified any more.

Minmatar Medium Frame

Starts with 100 PG/CPU (example numbers), all other stats apart from bonuses the same as Aurum Frame.

Minmatar Medium Frame Skill Bonus: 10% to PG/CPU and 5% to ammo capacity per level

Minmatar Medium Aurum Frame

Starts with 120 PG/CPU (example numbers), all other stats apart form bonuses the same as Normal Frame.

Minmatar Medium Frame Skill Bonus: 5% to PG/CPU and 5% to ammo capacity per level

Minmatar Assault Frame

Minmatar Medium Frame Skill Bonus: 10% to PG/CPU and 5% to ammo capacity per level

Minmatar Assault Frame Skill Bonus: 3% to Projectile Weapon Damage and 3% Clip Size Bonus per level

Minmatar Aurum Assault Frame

Minmatar Medium Frame Skill Bonus: 10% to PG/CPU and 5% to ammo capacity per level

Minmatar Assault Frame Skill Bonus: 3% to Projectile Weapon Damage per level

Role bonus: 15% increase to Weapon Clip Size

I've been thinking more about how Aurum suits would fit in to a Dust where there's only a single tier of suits, and using my previous post's example figures I've come up with a rough idea:



In the above example the Aurum suit is better than the normal suit until Minmatar Medium Frame V is trained where upon both suits function exactly the same. It gives people an incentive to buy Aurum suits while not giving them an advantage over people who have specialised in to the same role, the same situation as now.



Again, the Aurum suit is better than the normal suit until Minmatar Assault Frame V is trained where upon they both function exactly the same.

Also in your first post you mention resist bonuses, I would shy away from suggesting these to CCP, except on maybe the Sentinel, as they offer very little over an HP increase on medium and light dropsuits and would just confuse people.

Resist bonuses do three things:
- Increase HP
- Improve your local active tank
- Improve the effectiveness of remote reps being use on you

In dropsuit frontline combat local reppers and remote reppers make very little impact, except in a Heavy-Logi pairing, so for medium and light frames I'd like CCP to balance their tank through HP adjustments only.

I am not trying to 'nerf' the logi but encourage more of a support and assist role, not combat kings.

I am very open to the idea of giving them dual wield with the side arms. (provided they're one hand operational)

What you overlooked is
1: akimbo flalocks will make all logos op

2: you fail to address the real problem that caldary logis have 90 billion high slots you don't solve that by giving it akimbo flalocks you solve that by taking away some of the high slots

3: since all sidearms are close range and even though the logi is a support suit it has to be a versitile combat unit I'm not saying it's ok to have the op caldari logi but the have to be able to be versitile in order to heal and revive his teammates in a mid-range combat situations without being a living target what I'm saying is the logi needs a light weapon otherwise it wont be able to support in mid-range combat without getting killed

4: As a logibro I can't stress this enough THE CALDARI LOGI IS EFFING OP however I run a gallante logi with enhanced armour plates and I only have about 25 more armour than a gallante unmodded gallante assault is that op? No it isn't neather is the minmatar or ammar logi so why bother them.

5: why yet rid of an equipment slot when you can put remote explosives there to increase combat effectiveness or use that spare slot for nanohives to make sure your teammates never run out of ammo or even use that spare slot for an active scanner to mark targets for your teammates.

After reading this you will hopefully understand why your suggestion is terrible and unbeleavably flawed

By the way (and this part will blow your mind) I'm 12

Removing Basic, Advanced, and Prototype suits, making sure every suit has a special feel to it, and keeping the monetezation in to keep the business going are the highlight points of the idea.

Idea Update:
At the suggestion early feedback removed all 'Fitting' (High/Low) slots. Its better for CCP to figure that one out.

I really didn't think there was anything wrong with the current suit layout to be honest...... Whats a bigger problem in my opinion is the racial suit SP requirement. It takes 1.8 million SP to get the proto basic suit for a race, but it takes an additional 3 million just to get the same suit with a small specialized bonus. That's a bit much I think..... and in addition to that I think they could work on the market UI for suits, between AUR gear, and other gear, it all comes out to one big confusing list.

It's baffling that CCP have went with a tiered system for DUST while actively trying to remove the tiers from EVE.

A tiered system just creates a lot of useless items that nobody uses after they've skilled up enough, every item, except militia stuff, should have its place on the battlefield regardless of skill level.

The prototype, advanced and standard system works for weapons as the higher performing gear comes with massive fitting penalties, more advanced dropsuits don't have any penalty and are objectionably better than less advanced dropsuits.

I think removing standard/advanced/prototype suits and just giving the one suit better CPU/PG as you upgrade the skill will create the same problem we have now where you get to the tech 2 standard and it feels like you are starting over.

The CPU/PG bonus is reliant on the Medium Frame skill, not the specialized Assault suit skill. With the Assault suits you get two sets of bonuses (like in EVE), one reliant on the basic Medium Frame skill and one reliant on the Assault suit skill. To use Assault suits you must already have the prerequisite Medium Frame skill at V so you would get the full bonus to PG/CPU straight away in my examples.

It is a bit confusingly worded but that's the way it's done in EVE with tech II ships so that's why I wrote it that way. Perhaps the prerequisite skills should just be role bonuses in the description (or built in to the suit in regards to the PG/CPU bonus) as that would be far easier to understand.

Don't take away the Logi Sidearm. I know there are a lot of Caldari logis running around like Assault+1 but don't punish the whole suit class. Logistics + Mass Drivers is like peanut butter and jelly. (Nerfed jelly)

+1

To Iron wolf,

Hell No, dude I can tell you never served in the military. Simply because, in the real army where big boys and girls shoot real weapons at each other. The Logibro/Medic is going to carry a sidearm and a combat rifle/shotgun.


Please, stop with these silly ideas, CCP has more than enough on their plates now. Also, since when did the CPM get the power to affect/change game balance. I thought you guys were just implementing the voting system.

Sorry I come from the part of the military where everyone is a firefighter/damage control first and whatever sailor second. Only the Master at Arms, watch standers, Boatswain Mates and if any Seals have weapons aboard.

External weapon of the day 50 cal MGs and up.

Interior weapons of the day M9 Pistols and whatever SMGs the seals pick for themselves and probably 12 ga. shotguns as well.

Our medics defiantly have no weapons. Unless you want to count water and sharp knives.

My job in the military was quality of assurance for delivery of force, ensuring that a 2000 lbs bomb lands perfectly on the target with no issue.

Also anyone that looks to RL for balance should be fired off the balance team off the bat because if that was the case 1-3 bullets should kill everyone, tanks would be OHK from AV weapons. RL is good for inspiration nothing more in this game. We're not trying to mimic Battle simulator 2014 afterall.

No wonder, sorry bro stay on your boat. Because, you no nothing of Land Operations. But, back to my other question. Why are you doing/discussing game balance, this was not in the job description?

+1 to the idea. somehow i think a simplified system such as this brings a subtle form of depth, but thats just me.

while i do have concerns about some of the propositions, i can understand the decision removing the light weapon slot and replacing it with a sidearm so that the logi can focus on his role.

in my honest opinion, the job of a logistics operator would be a pure support role. not with mass drivers or assault rifles , not in terms of providing covering fire towards the enemy , but with distribution of priority in maintaining squad-level efficiency.


why would i support this?

Because i can relate; before uprising, my logistics fit had alot of equipment, but because i had that much equipment, i was concerned that using my Gek- rifle would hinder by ability to do my job and i found using a pistol forced me to focus on my squad's health. (Assault pistols for the win)
i was so focused on my job being a logi as a result, i was constantly favored among my former corp as quote: " a World-class Logi"

Move the repair tool from equipment to a light weapon slot? It would cause a logi to really commit to focusing on logistics. Would the repair tool in its current form be strong enough to justify that kind of change?

i would agree, however doing that would completely render a logi combat-ineffective. example would be a logi separated from his squad, faced up against an enemy soldier? he or she's is boned in all aspects. Logis should have at least something so they have a chance of surviving the encounter.

i think repair tools should remain an equipment slot, however logis arent always Combat medics

Think logistics as the stuff happening beyond the fighting and the bullets flying everywhere; EWar, communications, supply allocation, troop allocation, Vehicle management, they are the ones who can hack an objective better than assault personnel, they are the ones who can defend their allies in the Ewar front better than the others. they are the ones who assist and revive fellow comrades, and they are the ones who can help a tank commander or a pilot perform their jobs a little easier.