No wonder, sorry bro stay on your boat. Because, you no nothing of Land Operations. But, back to my other question. Why are you doing/discussing game balance, this was not in the job description?

All I ask is that logi's keep their rep bonus. No one else is around to do it. Other than that great post, I like the simpler system, but there should be more varients at the the Tech 2 level.

With medium frames having at least 2 E slots will they be able to out logi the logi, as the current game allows for the Sad and Lowly Amarr logi vs.... anyone else.

Minmatar Medium Frame

Minmatar Medium Frame Skill Bonus: 10% to PG/CPU and 5% to ammo carried per level

CPU: 150 (225 at all level V)
PG: 30 (45 at all level V)
Shield: 150
Armour:135
Movement speed: 5.3
Sprint Speed: 7.4
Stamina: 175
Scan profile: 50
Scan precision: 55
Scan radius: 10
High slots:3
Low slots: 2
Equipment slots: 2

Minmatar Assault Frame

Minmatar Assault Frame Skill Bonus: 2% to Projectile Weapon Damage and 3% Clip Size Bonus per level

Role bonus: 25% to ammo carried per level

CPU: 275
PG: 60
Shield: 165
Armour:135
Movement speed: 5.0
Sprint Speed: 7.2
Stamina: 175
Scan profile: 55
Scan precision: 50
Scan radius: 10
High slots: 4
Low slots: 3
Equipment slots: 1

Minmatar Assault Frame (Skirmishing Armour example)

Minmatar Assault Frame Skill Bonus: 2% to Projectile Weapon Damage and 3% Projectile Range per level

Role bonus: 25% to ammo carried per level

CPU: 265
PG: 62
Shield: 100
Armour:185
Movement speed: 4.8
Sprint Speed: 7.8
Stamina: 140
Scan profile: 55
Scan precision: 50
Scan radius: 10
High slots: 3
Low slots: 4
Equipment slots: 1

Minmatar Medium Frame

Minmatar Medium Frame Skill Bonus: 10% to PG/CPU and 5% to ammo carried per level

CPU: 150 (225 at all level V)
PG: 30 (45 at all level V)
Shield: 150
Armour:135
Movement speed: 5.3
Sprint Speed: 7.4
Stamina: 175
Scan profile: 50
Scan precision: 55
Scan radius: 10
High slots:3
Low slots: 2
Equipment slots: 2

Minmatar Logistics Frame (Combat support)

Minmatar Logistics Skill bonus: 5% to nanohive capacity and nanohive replenishment rate per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction to equipment PG/CPU

Light weapon only

CPU: 250
PG: 55
Shield: 90
Armour:150
Movement speed: 5
Sprint Speed: 7
Stamina: 175
Scan profile: 55
Scan precision: 45
Scan radius: 12.5
High slots: 4
Low slots: 4
Equipment slots: 3

Minmatar Logistics Frame (Heavy Armour support)

Minmatar Logistics Skill bonus: 5% to Repair Tool Efficency and 2% to Projectile Weapon Damage per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction to equipment PG/CPU

Sidearm only

CPU: 255
PG: 52
Shield: 140
Armour:90
Movement speed: 5
Sprint Speed: 7
Stamina: 175
Scan profile: 55
Scan precision: 45
Scan radius: 13.5
High slots: 4
Low slots: 4
Equipment slots: 4

Might as well just remove the light weapon slot from scouts and logis, and remove the heavy weapon slot from heavy dropsuits.

Nevermind just delete all classes.


dust.dead.game.

Personal suggestion:

Skill Changes:

Dropsuit Command:
-+The basic operation of dropsuits.
-+2% increased max stamina for all dropsuits per skill level.
-+Unlocks Medium dropsuits at level 1; Light dropsuits at level 2; Heavy dropsuits at level 3; and specializations at level 5.

[Race] [FrameSize] Dropsuits:
-+Skill at operating [Race] [FrameSize] Dropsuits.
GùÿBonuses are moved from the skill to the individual dropsuit.
GùïPrerequisites:
GÇóDropsuit Command 1-3 depending on [FrameSize]

[Specialization] Dropsuits:
-+Skill for the operation of [Specialization] class dropsuits.
GùÿBonuses are moved from the skill to the individual dropsuit.
GùÿThis skill does not govern what racial dropsuits you can use.
GùïPrerequisites:
GÇóDropsuit Command 5
GÇó[ExtraPrerequisiteSkill1] 5
GÇó[ExtraPrerequisiteSkill2] 5

Examples:

Assault Dropsuits:
-+Skill for the operation of Assault class dropsuits.
GùïPrerequisites:
GÇóDropsuit Command 5
GÇóHandheld Weapon Upgrades 5
GÇóDropsuit Biotic Upgrades 5

Logisitics Dropsuits:
-+Skill for the operation of Logistics class dropsuits.
GùïPrerequisites:
GÇóDropsuit Command 5
GÇóDropsuit Engineering 5
GÇóDropsuit Electronics 5

Scout Dropsuits
-+Skill for the operation of Scout class dropsuits.
GùïPrerequisites:
GÇóDropsuit Command 5
GÇóDropsuit Electronics 5
GÇóDropsuit Biotic Upgrades 5

Sentinel Dropsuits:
-+Skill for the operation of Sentinel class dropsuits.
GùïPrerequisites:
GÇóDropsuit Command 5
GÇóDropsuit Armor Upgrades 5
GÇóDropsuit Shield Upgrades 5

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Dropsuit Changes:

-+Dropsuits do away with STD/ADV/PRO levels; tier systems are bad; all suits should be useful.
-+All dropsuits get two per level bonuses from their operation skills: One for defence, one for offence.
-+Specialization suits get an extra two bonuses from the specialization skill, relevant to the specialization.

Example:

Amarr Medium Dropsuit:
-+General all-purpose dropsuit, suited for almost every purpose, but specializing in none. A jack-of-all-trades frame.
GùÿAmarr Medium Dropsuits skill bonus per level:
-+2% reduction to speed penalty of Armor Plates.
-+5% reduction to heat generated by Laser weaponry.
GùïPrerequisites:
GÇóDropsuit Command 1
GÇóAmarr Medium Dropsuits 1

Amarr Assault Dropsuit:
-+Front-line fighter. Balanced between mobility and offensive capability.
GùÿAmarr Medium Dropsuits skill bonus per level:
-+2% reduction to speed penalty of Armor Plates.
-+5% reduction to heat generated by Laser weaponry.
GùÿAssault Dropsuits skill bonus per level:
-+5% bonus to max stamina and stamina regeneration.
-+2% bonus to efficacy of damage modifiers.
GùïPrerequisites:
GÇóDropsuit Command 5
GÇóAmarr Medium Dropsuits 5
GÇóAssault Dropsuits 1

Amarr Logistics Dropsuit:
-+Support-oriented dropsuit with more PG/CPU, designed to be a force multiplier; part of a team.
GùÿAmarr Medium Dropsuits skill bonus per level:
-+2% reduction to speed penalty of Armor Plates.
-+5% reduction to heat generated by Laser weaponry.
GùÿLogistics Dropsuits skill bonus per level:
-+5% reduction to CPU/PG cost of Equipment.
-+2% bonus to Armor resistance.
GùïPrerequisites:
GÇóDropsuit Command 5
GÇóAmarr Medium Dropsuits 5
GÇóLogistics Dropsuits 1

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This particular system makes specializations independent of race, but you still need the racial dropsuit skill to 5 to use that race of specialized dropsuit. Additionally, with the removal of suit tiers, all dropsuits can be better balanced against one another, and so we get better tactical play with certain suits countering each other more easily than others (it's still mainly down to user skill to take advantage of this however).

The SP sinks are moved from useless skills that don't particularly give anything useful, to skills that aid the suit you're training for (for example, extra speed and CPU for scout suits, who rely on speed and need all the CPU they can get). There's nothing wrong with SP sinks, they just need to give something meaningful in return for each level.

Giving skill bonuses to all suits replicates aspects of the tier system, but in less radical ways than offering extra fittings and/or slots. There's a huge difference between being able to fit one basic mod, and someone else able to get away with three complex ones. Doing away with suit tiers means the difference is only in gear quality and the bonuses from the suit operation skill. This is much more even footing than currently.

I've purposely left out discussing slot layouts and specific stats, because those are down to CCP; but I'd like to see specializations have similar slot counts to basics, but with different distributions to suit the role.
For example:
Caldari Basic suit: 11 slots, 4H/2L/2E + 1 Light, 1 Sidearm and 1 grenade slot.
Caldari Assault suit: 11 slots, 3H/3L/1E + 1 Light, 1 Sidearm and 2 grenade slots.
Caldari Logistics suit: 11 slots, 5H/1L/3E + 1 Light, 1 Sidearm and no grenade slots (or 2 Sidearms).

Well what bonuses logi get is a bit up in the air, I would like to see racial bonuses done but there is only 2 tanking options available and one race doesn't do armor or shield primarily.

The core concept of this idea is fabulous and I love it. My one question, however, is why does the Pilot suit lose HP when the Scout suit retains it? From my perspective I wouldn't view the "Scout" as the "Combat role" of "T2" light suits. (wow, that was a lot of quotation marks)

I would think the scout should specialize even more on stealth, sensor, etc. (and therefore lose HP) especially so if the Pilot suit is losing sensor abilities. It could be said that the Pilot suit wouldn't/shouldn't need the HP because it gets bonuses to vehicles, but I personally feel the loss of the light weapon slot is more than enough justification for it.

Considering we won't have a weapon to swap to when we have to reload, and that most of our combat bonuses will be going to the vehicles, making the pilot frame even less "useful" outside of a vehicle is a bit risky when you'll be inclined to use really expensive equipment on it.

My opinion would be to allow it to be equal to the "T1" in HP and keep everything else the same (Reduce the sensors, stealth capabilities, remove the light weapon, etc). But I only have a minor issue with it and if CCP were to implement everything mostly exactly how you put it I would be A-OK.

Well the idea is to prevent pilot suits from being forward and present fighters and forces them to be in vehicles more. Pilots could possibly run much faster than the scouts for their lowered survivability out of vehicles so they can go about getting another suit changed out or vehicle called down.

Either way many things are up in the air of where they can go from things they trade off to how they are specialized who knows maybe the pilot suit could pick up a light weapons as well or it could be just a racial trait (amarrian?) .