Amarr medium suit has more total hit points than the other three, so you could think of that as a pre-determined mod slot that doesn't take up any CPU/PG.

Yet the other suits can use that mod slot to not only make up the difference but exceed it considerably and still have the same number of mod slots free as the Amarr suit has. For instance the Minmatar suit can place a shield extender in and have vastly more shield HP and still have the 3 slots the Amarr suit has.

I still can't quite understand why the Amarr suits have equal shielding and armor when in Eve Amarr have utterly poor shielding. It seems like a bit of an illogical jump.

I'm talking total hp, not just shield or armor. If Minmatar medium puts a shield extender do they have more total HP? Also while others can use the slot for more customization, keep in mind these extra hit points don't take up any CPU/PG.

And I'm with you, I'm not sure when Amarr became the race of balance.

Also the Amarr proto suit has 50 more CPU and 20 more PG then the other Proto suits. It stacks the best off of passive skills out of all the dropsuits. Since it has the most Base Health if u 180 + 180 its the most u get out of any suit. They run a bit slower but have faster shield regen delay if the shield is not dropped. I must say the Gallente 25% cpu reduction on the Assault skill is a bit too much.

The fact that Amarr suits are now omni tanks is stupid. The reason you don't do an omni tank in eve is because you can't focus on making both tanks work. Also why the hell are Amarr suits now shield tankers? What the hell is that about? Amarr have always been armour tank. And now you people are like "Yeah that totally makes sense" instead of "No it's never been like that and it's stupid."

But this isnt EvE? And as of yet, the only way to effectively armor tank is when you are being backed by a logi.

We only have a set number of suits and each of them have to be noticeably different from each other.
Gallente = Armor
Caldari = Shield
Minmatar = Fast
Amarr = Mid shield/Armor

Amarr dosnt need to be changed, but some more suit variants could be added.

No this is Eve. It is an online persistent shooter set in the Eve universe. Coming out with "It's not Eve" is blatantly wrong. Amarr have always been the Armor tanking race of the Eve universe far more than the Gallente have been.
This is the equivalent of making the Caldari armor tankers.

Gallente - Armor repair/Damage with Blasters/Drones
Caldari - Shield buffer/Damage with Railguns/Missiles
Minmatar - Shield boosting/ Damage with Autoguns/Fast
Amarr - Armor buffer/Damage with Lasers/Drones

It's not difficult to differentiate between the four races. To me it just seems like they lamed out at Amarr suits instead of putting a bit of effort into differentiating between the two shield tank races and the two armor tank races. One extra problem with the current setup for Amarr suits is that like in Eve, you now need to max out your SP in both Armor AND shield tanking in order to make the suit work. Which is just ridiculous since you only need to bother maxing out Shields for Mini's and Caldari and Armor for Gallente. Yet for the Amarr suit you're putting in over double the SP just to keep up with what the Gallente suit can do with more armor and 2 extra low slots.

I run an Amarr assault suit, and I love it.

Dual tanking works in Dust, and I'm glad the Amarr ground troops have equal armor and shields. This is a terrible segue into a list.

1. You can get a crazy high buffer. Higher than just shield or just armor.
2. You can get better resistances to various types of weapons. A laser can strip you shields but has trouble with your armor, or you can survive a grenade thanks to having good shields. ( the poor sap in the gallente suit next to me got blowd up.)
3. Can be easily justified by a clever item description as to why the Amarr are running both shields and armor. Possibly something about keeping a high buffer, or even better a blurf about how this suit is mass produced by slaves they wanted it to be highly adaptable for any situation as you can't really just go buy another type of suit.

I frankly love the tank I can get going on this suit, and I also love the Amarr suit's bonuses.

And let's not forget about balance. Now we have three racial dropsuits with good shielding, but only one with good armor. Minmatar weapons are as useless as ever, and Amarr weapons will be as useful as ever. Honestly, who thought this was a good idea?

Put it as an Armor tanker which is what they should be. Straight into buffer tanking. Make Gallente repair tanking. Keep the weapon bonuses for each..

I've tried buffer armor tanking build after build. To have any sort of survivability you have to have reppers. Currently there is no way to make buffer armor tanking not blow ass. It'll all be repair tanking anyway.

I'm glad they are an trying an omni tank. a suit with ok shields and ok armor is a decent addition to the various types of suits. It takes a lot of SP to get the most out of that tank, and due to having to have mods that affect both neither the shield won't be as strong as a caldari, nor will the armor be as good as a gallente. All while being slower and having fewer mod slots than any other suit, so there is your drawback.

@ulysess - When I ran an HMG I always would flux first. It worked pretty well. besides a 5% swing either way isn't that bad. I'd hardly call them useless as I've been getting the SMG to still kill people pretty dang well this build.

I agree that Amarr would have been the obvious choice for pure armor tanking, but what's the point debating it, swapping the art on amarr and gallente suits wouldn't change game play at all.
It's as pointless as saying "The gallente suits don't look gallente to me, they need more green". This thread was about game balance after all, not lore.

What the hell is the point of it?

No this is Eve. It is an online persistent shooter set in the Eve universe. Coming out with "It's not Eve" is blatantly wrong. Amarr have always been the Armor tanking race of the Eve universe far more than the Gallente have been.
This is the equivalent of making the Caldari armor tankers.

Gallente - Armor repair/Damage with Blasters/Drones
Caldari - Shield buffer/Damage with Railguns/Missiles
Minmatar - Shield boosting/ Damage with Autoguns/Fast
Amarr - Armor buffer/Damage with Lasers/Drones

It's not difficult to differentiate between the four races. To me it just seems like they lamed out at Amarr suits instead of putting a bit of effort into differentiating between the two shield tank races and the two armor tank races. One extra problem with the current setup for Amarr suits is that like in Eve, you now need to max out your SP in both Armor AND shield tanking in order to make the suit work. Which is just ridiculous since you only need to bother maxing out Shields for Mini's and Caldari and Armor for Gallente. Yet for the Amarr suit you're putting in over double the SP just to keep up with what the Gallente suit can do with more armor and 2 extra low slots.

Gallente Suits appear to occupy the niche that Amarrian suits should have in that they are top tier armor tankers. Where as Gallente suits should really be more about speed and damage (And drones when those come about).

Arbitrator
Amarr Cruiser skill bonus per level:
7.5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness
10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield

Augoror
Amarr Cruiser skill bonus per level:
12.5% bonus to Remote Armor Repair System repair amount
5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair System capacitor use

Maller
Amarr Cruiser skill bonus per level:
5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage
5% bonus to all Armor Resistances

Omen
Amarr Cruiser skill bonus per level:
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use
5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret rate of fire

Celestis
Gallente Cruiser skill bonus per level:
7.5% bonus to Remote Sensor Dampener effectiveness
10% bonus to Remote Sensor Dampener optimal range and falloff

Excurureriueoreiwo....the ***** shaped one
Gallente Cruiser skill bonus per level:
12.5% bonus to Remote Armor Repair System repair amount
5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair System capacitor use

Thorax
Gallente Cruiser skill bonus per level:
5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage
7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret tracking speed

Vexor
Gallente Cruiser skill bonus per level:
5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage
10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield [/url]

The beefy tanks you speak of in the Amarrian line up are in the Battleship class usually however lets be honest an Abbadon and a Megathron are equally as beefy but are polar opposites in range, however a Hyperion to the Abbie and an Apoc to the Mega are good match's.

Gallente Tank aswell as Amarr, but Amarr usually out range the Frogs, and Frogs usually out DPS the Amarr in a face to face brawl.




[quote=Kirah Sommersord]Whilst a few things will eventually come to be balanced from the forum discussions I hope that the Amarr suits are not left out as at the moment they seem terribly lackluster in comparison to their counter parts. Especially considering that atleast in Eve, Amarrian armor is the best in the galaxy.[/url]

Again im going to say pretty much false, its a range game between these two races.

[quote=Kirah Sommersord]If anyone has any good ideas to make Amarrian suits adhere to their Eve lore and background whilst remaining within their own niche please feel free to post here. That goes for all you logibros out there who are wrestling with less slots and equipment for an otherwise useless sidearm slot.

Maybe CCP is looking for a different dynamic. look at the stats of the suits.

Amarr - Highest base HP, slowest suit
Minmatar - lower base HP, fastest suit
caldari -Highest shields.
Gallente - Highest armor.

Unless you can cite the passage in the Pax Amarria that states "thou shalt armor tank" there isn't even a good lore reason for the infantry to be built the exact way as the boats. Just because it's different it doesn't mean that it's wrong, or bad.

If anything is changed the minnies should be made an omni tank too.

edit - Minnie weapons are not useless. half my kills come from my SMG.

Maybe CCP is looking for a different dynamic. look at the stats of the suits.

Amarr - Highest base HP, slowest suit
Minmatar - lower base HP, fastest suit
caldari -Highest shields.
Gallente - Highest armor.

Unless you can cite the passage in the Pax Amarria that states "thou shalt armor tank" there isn't even a good lore reason for the infantry to be built the exact way as the boats. Just because it's different it doesn't mean that it's wrong, or bad.

If anything is changed the minnies should be made an omni tank too.

edit - Minnie weapons are not useless. half my kills come from my SMG.

ITT: people who haven't spent a second of their time theory crafting. Amarr medium suit is fine, hell it's got a 200 ehp lead when it comes to making worthwhile fits.

Starts with higher base, has all the fitting stats of CPU,pg fill all it's slots. Other races start with less hp but get an extra slot, however with lower fitting resources they get to all spend 1 to 2 slots playing catch up on just pg andcpu to fit mods.

ITT: people who haven't spent a second of their time theory crafting. Amarr medium suit is fine, hell it's got a 200 ehp lead when it comes to making worthwhile fits.

Starts with higher base, has all the fitting stats of CPU,pg fill all it's slots. Other races start with less hp but get an extra slot, however with lower fitting resources they get to all spend 1 to 2 slots playing catch up on just pg andcpu to fit mods.

Isn't the Gallente bonus to their suits fitting blasters anyway? So wouldn't that CPU/PG gap between them and Amarr be completely negated with their bonus?

Listen, if you want to lie then fine. But you and I both know that Amarr are armor tankers in the Eve game and lore. To say otherwise is just a blatant mistruth.

In this thread I see a lot of people defending this because they like having massive base HP and resistance to every weapon (Overpowered much?) and knowing that it will only get better when the new weapons roll around.

One more thing. This IS the Eve universe and when we're boarding titans and fighting on stations it's going to be even MORE Eve. Just not wanting it to be so you can have a suit which is an omni tank and goes against the lore and style of the game is pretty self defeating.

We have 3 (Count them) shielding races at the moment and only 1 armor race. There needs to be balance and this isn't it. And no "Just so I can have the best of both worlds please CCP! LOL" is not a good enough argument.

Black Friar please see the post a little above yours which shows that Gallente are Armor rep tankers. Amarr are armor buffers tankers. Which isn't entirely false.

I tell you what might be easier. You name me two Amarrian ships with shielding bonuses. Not pirate faction. Amarrian vessels. Then I'll take you seriously.

Also in the above list you fail to mention that Minmatar are shield tanking and that Amarr are omni tank. Then you start to see the disparity

You still haven't demonstrated exactly how the Amarrian infantry forces using personal shielding breaks lore so badly. Sure it's different than the ships, but maybe the Amarrians recognized that the needs of the infantry are different than the needs of the fleet.

The shield could be there to help protect the ground soldier from overheating weaponry, as that's the way it's working in game. There's no reason royal engineers couldn't have recognized the fact that they needed something to protect the harder to repair armor from accidental weapon overcharge. There you go, you just got lore'd.

Then what drawback is there?
There needs to be a balance for each of the races. None of them omni tank for a reason in Eve. And to make them do it here is either completely overpowered or completely underpowered.
Not to mention the massive SP drain just to use a suit. So I've got to get my shielding core up to five and my armor core up to five to utilize the suit properly which is twice as much as any other suit.
And why the Amarr? Why make the premier armor tank race in the game omni tank? And no it cannot be explained within Eve lore. You could start saying "Oh we can make the Caldari armor tank and just explain it away because it suits me." which is just stupid.
Stick to the Eve basics with tanking. This idea of making an omni tank Amarr suit is just stupid. Put it as an Armor tanker which is what they should be. Straight into buffer tanking. Make Gallente repair tanking. Keep the weapon bonuses for each.
But now Amarr suits are shield tanks? What the hell.

Listen, if you want to lie then fine. But you and I both know that Amarr are armor tankers in the Eve game and lore. To say otherwise is just a blatant mistruth. In this thread I see a lot of people defending this because they like having massive base HP and resistance to every weapon (Overpowered much?) and knowing that it will only get better when the new weapons roll around.
One more thing. This IS the Eve universe and when we're boarding titans and fighting on stations it's going to be even MORE Eve. Just not wanting it to be so you can have a suit which is an omni tank and goes against the lore and style of the game is pretty self defeating.
We have 3 (Count them) shielding races at the moment and only 1 armor race. There needs to be balance and this isn't it. And no "Just so I can have the best of both worlds please CCP! LOL" is not a good enough argument.
Black Friar please see the post a little above yours which shows that Gallente are Armor rep tankers. Amarr are armor buffers tankers. Which isn't entirely false.
Also the only reason you're getting kills from Submachine guns is because it's essentially the only unnerfed weapon in the game at the moment and the reduction on EVERYONE's range means everyone fights at your range.