All specialist suits should have "class specific" modules, to better flesh out their roles.

Or at least receive large reductions to fitting requirements for said items, allowing other classes to use them if they want a gimpish fit, but added versatility.

Great idea



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I don't think medium frames should have more than 1 equipment slot; that would just result in everyone being able to carry injectors and nanohives and logis would once again become pretty redundant.

However, if the pre-reqs were changed so that you could specialise from lvl 1 of the frame size (and the specialised suits were actually different to the basic frame), that would allow people to play their chosen role from the get go without spending 3 million SP just to start specialising. Then, if the assault suit was far more combat oriented and basic more jack of all trades, I wouldn't be against the basic having 2 equipment slots. All 3 suit types would have their place.

To be honest the only thing I felt a little bit stupid, aside from the damn memory leak this ******* game has and it's not fixed yet...

Is that Logi suits are better then Assault suits in many cases. They really need to nerf the number of high/low slots those suits get. for instance:

Caldari Logi at proto tier would get 4 high, 2 low.
While the Caldari Assault would get 5 high and 3 low.

Gallente Logi would get 2 high and 4 low.
Gallente Assault would get 3 high and 5 low.

Amarr Logi would have 3 and 3 as it is now.
Amarr Assault would have 4 and 4.

Minmatar Logis would have 2 high and 2 low. (But they are faster i and have more Infantry slots).
Minmatar Assault would have 3 and 3. (Faster / Can have 2 infantry slots)

This way, assault suits would have a reason to exist.

Llan Heindell.

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EDIT2: For logi players, it would be good to have the basic medium frame have 2 equipment slots to allow it to be used as a decent logi substitute; right now the basic medium frame only works as an assault substitute. This change would require that all specialized logi suits have at least 3 equipment slots to differentiate themselves from the mediums

No specialization should have the same fittings as the basic line. It sucks that 3 out of our 4 specializations are in this boat.

This is a good OP on the issue.

What is misses however is the completely inappropriate amount of tank on logi suits (this was also a big problem in the last build).

Very skilled assault players are going logi not because of slots but because of such beastly tanks on a SUPPORT frame.

This is a good OP on the issue.

What is misses however is the completely inappropriate amount of tank on logi suits (this was also a big problem in the last build).

Very skilled assault players are going logi not because of slots but because of such beastly tanks on a SUPPORT frame.

This above assessment is incomplete. When playing support there are frequent situations of taking dps without returning fire/taking cover comes with the job. An assault player taking fire can duck behind cover and still be playing his role, a support player who bails out while his squad made is under fire, pinned down, or needing a revive/rep is not doing his job. Furthermore while doing this job and taking this fire a support player cannot be returning fire and thus is unable to eliminate/suppress incoming dps the way an assault player can.

Support frames most definitely should have more tank than aggressive frames (heavy not withstanding). The problem is better solved by giving the assault player proper incentives to use the assault suits (for example better fittings costs for weapons, or an extra slot that can only fit damage mods etc) not nerfing the support frames to make them even less able to stay in the fight and fulfill their battlefield roles.

EDIT: As an aside "very skilled players" is specifically not the demographic that should be balanced around, doing so will wreak the game for everyone who falls outside of that select few. Balancing needs to be addressed game wide at the macro level not catered to a minority.

Still want the 2 equipment slots for the basic mediums, and minimum of 3 for all logis.

Still want the 2 equipment slots for the basic mediums, and minimum of 3 for all logis.

Scout suits aren't redundant in my belief at the moment as their Profile Dampening skill bonus is worth it. Trust me.... I'm a scout.

Scout suits aren't redundant in my belief at the moment as their Profile Dampening skill bonus is worth it. Trust me.... I'm a scout.

Yeah, you need to distinguish between suits themselves being redundant and passive skills being desirable. It's a fact that most of the specialization suits are identical in stats to the basic frame. The passive skills obviously differ, it's just a question of them being "good' or not.

Are these desirable enough? *Just skip to post #6, you probably don't wan't to read it all.*

It would probably depend on how the specialization suits are balanced. If you give Assault Suits better HP than Basic Frames, that magnifies any shielding effect you give their passive, right? If the shields are balanced on a delay system (there's both "completely" depleted, and just depleted regen delays), a passive shield regen per/sec would seem to screw with that and always give them the best of the two numbers. Assaults already have much higher shield regen compared to say, logis or heavies. The delays aren't necessarily different either (in the cases where it is, it's usually the fully depleted, which you'd be eliminating with a passive).

As a bonus, it basically ignored the difference between shield and armor mechanics - the old Assault Passive was already geared towards boosting their shield regen.

You didn't read the rest of the list did you? I had an offensive one in there too you know.

Those weren't all meant to be implemented, I was giving the Devs things to choose from. Only one for each dropsuit class would be implemented.

An easy workaround would be if it DOES reach 0 then it will continue to regenerate at the rate of the passive, but will not recieve the increased shield recharge of the ACTUAL recharge till the timer is up. (always recieving health from passive. doesn't reach 0, passive + recharge delay. does reach 0, passive + shield depleted recharge delay.)

As for differences in shield recharge rate:

Caldari:

• Assault: 25
• Logi:20

Amarr:
Assault:20
Logi:17

Gallente:
Assault:20
Logi:15

Minmatar:
Assault:18
Logi:20

The shield recharge differences are currently much greater because of the Assault Passive. Mind you, the only reason the Logistics such as the Caldari seems to have an edge is because of its passive at the same time. However, if you take into account both passives at the same time, you need to add 25% to every assault number you have on that list. So, the Cal Assault becomes 31.25 hp/s compared to 20 hp/s (over 50% higher). In the end, that sort of regen is probably more useful than a trickle gain like the armor rep.

That aside, the aim assist thing just seems like it'd annoy a lot of players, as CCP is pretty horrible with their aim assist mechanics currently. You'd drive more people away from the class.

Giving the highest HP class in the game both damage resistance and higher speed seems incredibly imbalanced. What exactly is the drawback of being a heavy at that point? You can take more damage than anyone else, and charge across the field.

Cloaking when immobile would make scouts invincible snipers (as well as be generally overpowered in other circumstances), and again, would be horribly broken.

You told me to skip to post #6 where they're described as passive skills. I think the weapon/equipment menu is awkward and buggy enough without trying to add active skills to it anyhow.

That's what heavies are about. Making them indestructible juggernauts that require full squads to take down only makes sense if you're going to jack up their suit prices by a factor of 6 and increase the SP required relative to other classes. Otherwise, they don't need anything remotely approaching those sorts of advantages.

Cloaking when immobile would make scouts invincible snipers (as well as be generally overpowered in other circumstances), and again, would be horribly broken.