Mine was better

This has gone too far. When I use a laser, some a-hole with sharpshooter gets me. When I use an HMG, he can out dps me. When I use a shotgun he kills me way too easily.

The point is, the AR is a hugely overpowered weapon and needs a major reduction in damage, range, and a recoil increase.

The iron sights are a step in the right direction, but there needs to be more done to prevent more than 70% of the player base to destroy using an assault rifle.

Well, you'll be happy to know they're getting a buff in Uprising...

Well, you'll be happy to know they're getting a buff in Uprising...

Stfu scrub, all you imps want to just make everyone use the ar cause you don't have any skill for anything else. Grab a real gun scrubs.

Well, f*ck. There goes the last semblance of variety.

Also, proof?

Why would I need proof? I didn't think anyone would take that post seriously...

This has gone too far. When I use a laser, some a-hole with sharpshooter gets me. When I use an HMG, he can out dps me. When I use a shotgun he kills me way too easily.

The point is, the AR is a hugely overpowered weapon and needs a major reduction in damage, range, and a recoil increase.

The iron sights are a step in the right direction, but there needs to be more done to prevent more than 70% of the player base to destroy using an assault rifle.

buff dropsuit HP's, leave guns the same, game = fixed. You're welcome CCP.

This has gone too far. When I use a laser, some a-hole with sharpshooter gets me. When I use an HMG, he can out dps me. When I use a shotgun he kills me way too easily.

The point is, the AR is a hugely overpowered weapon and needs a major reduction in damage, range, and a recoil increase.

The iron sights are a step in the right direction, but there needs to be more done to prevent more than 70% of the player base to destroy using an assault rifle.

Stfu scrub, all you imps want to just make everyone use the ar cause you don't have any skill for anything else. Grab a real gun scrubs.

AR just need more recoil and HMG need a bonus as suppression fire, why the hell anyone should aim correctly under a rain of bullets?

you mean use a laser that is beyond broken, or a mass driver that doesnt require u to really aim, or an HMG that rarely overheats ?

From what i see, the AR actually required you to aim and track a target.

Hell, based on your "ideas" we should all just shoot each other w/ marshmallow guns.

Go HTFU

you mean use a laser that is beyond broken, or a mass driver that doesnt require u to really aim, or an HMG that rarely overheats ?

From what i see, the AR actually required you to aim and track a target.

Hell, based on your "ideas" we should all just shoot each other w/ marshmallow guns.

Go HTFU

If I ever see you in game, I will destroy you with my AR. I will make it my personal mission to hunt you down and destroy you.

Hey now! All trolling aside, no need to spread false information. If this is a troll than by all means continue...

This has gone too far. When I use a laser, some a-hole with sharpshooter gets me. When I use an HMG, he can out dps me. When I use a shotgun he kills me way too easily.

The point is, the AR is a hugely overpowered weapon and needs a major reduction in damage, range, and a recoil increase.

The iron sights are a step in the right direction, but there needs to be more done to prevent more than 70% of the player base to destroy using an assault rifle.

mass driver = no skill just shoot above the head fire and + 50. if not dead shoot ur entire clip to ensure success.

if you've ever played in a top-tier corp battle, laser rifle at range will anally **** an assault rifle. don't care how MLG pro your aim is, the DPS on a viziam + range + maybe damage mods = ARs don't stand a chance

assault rifles are good in most situations, but are still outclassed in certain ranges.

also it takes half a mag AT THE VERY LEAST to drop a proto suit, and that's if he's bad at strafing...you start nerfing the damage and adding more recoil, proto vs proto fights will turn into SMG spray fests with neither player could kill the other with an AR.

So your saying you can't beat an AR at range with a laser rifle? Sounds like a L2P issue to me.

AR is the bess all around weapon in the game, i'll admit that. However every other weapon in the game has an area where it absolutely dominates at.

Mass Driver - Can suppress and entire squad, making it impossible for them to leave cover
Laser Rifle - Kings of long range
Sniper Rifle - Kings of extreme range
HMG - Owns at CQC to Med Range
Shotgun - CQC King

As a player if you have to know the strengths of your weapon and play to those.

Riiiiight...

By all means, if it's so OP link a video of you topping the leader boards with one. Don't have one? Put a level in it. If it's so OP, you're only going to need 1 level in it right?

r u serious AR > Laser any day. unless u heat up tht little beam before u hit the AR guy.

Shut up, scrublet! The AR is mad OP! If I can't outgun it with an MH-82, then things have gone way south and the NERFHAMMER mus be brought down!

if PFBH laser players are having diffaculty at range vs AR then you guys should look for some new ones.

it's PFBHz and ARs are OP. Face the facts when does an AR ever lose a 1v1 fight. they r the gods of the battlefield.

also, buff dropsuit HP's, leave guns the same, game = fixed. You're welcome CCP.

or your aim needs to be brought up.

AR=

-Crappy iron sights

-X and Y recoil

-Prot AR has more recoil than the stan AR

The reason is so deadly is not the gun, but me

Dropsuits are OP. All weapons should be one ht one kill....some should have bigger splash damage.

or your aim needs to be brought up.

they lose to my standerd hmg, unless their tanked

it's PFBHz and ARs are OP. Face the facts when does an AR ever lose a 1v1 fight. they r the gods of the battlefield.

Its not about the "strength" of the weapon, it's about ar's and how they're op.

Even Mr.Zitro agrees that they need a nerf, I've used them a lot as well, I'm into my Gek now, and with some damage mods, I still can't kill a guy with a duvolle. Even with my viziam and 3 dmg mods, he still out dps me at around 20 m.

Who are you.

Cubs has no problems with AR with his HMG

Sir Knight easts everyone with his laser

I watched Fiddlestaxp force an entire "fabulous" squad behind a wall while we easily capped a point.

I can point out plenty of players with high k/d's and use weapons other than AR

I hope you guys know this is a troll thread....

no, its being hijacked by trolls.

srsly, im tired of gettin face-raped by militia ARs

It started as a troll

and it shall continue to be a thread about nerfing ar's as they r op.

QFT and AR humpers are going to continue to defend them to the death like NRA extremists and claim everything else is OP. The end result will be that 3 clips from a GEK will be able to kill a Segaris.

it's not the gun.


it's the person using it.


you have protoad heavy
you get faced by ar.


you blame gun.


LOL

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it's not the gun.


it's the person using it.


you have protoad heavy
you get faced by ar.


you blame gun.

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It's the absent lolstrategy and the CoD fanbois trying to make this into a twitch arcade shooter.

PROTIP: Only self centered d-bags sign their posts.

I hope you guys know this is a troll thread....

i keep giving you ladies the old militia ar labiaplasty and the best you got even with your protoad load outs is to nerf the ar?


lol classic.


couldn't play mag cuz you got jacked up so bad.
now you come here and get jacked up WITH shields, mind you


and you ladies STILL need an ar nerf.



this isn't the dust forums

it's the friggin vagina monlogues.


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ps
protip:
you ain't a pro. you're an anonymous kid. deal with it.

More recoil, higher tier extenders (shield ext that give more than 66)... that or more EHP on all DS. Other than that every gun has its strengths and or weakness' s.

Learn them
Use them
Perfect them

They could be balanced a little better, I will agree with that. They should be the generalist weapon, the fulcrum by which all other weapons are balanced.

BASSMEANT you play for Zion, you wouldn't understand a proper weapon as it shot you in the face.


Also, why are AR's the only weapons without overheat and such as large clip?

My tactical sniper and scrambler pistol outclass the assault rifle. And lol attack in teams and you will die a lot less. ARs aren't broken, teams and strategy is.

My tactical sniper and scrambler pistol outclass the assault rifle. And lol attack in teams and you will die a lot less. ARs aren't broken, teams and strategy is.

As far as I see the only op weapons are the orbital strike and the turrets.

That's not the point, two militia war's shouldn't kill me that quick when I have a viziam equipped

Those aren't weapons...

That's the problem! You need better armor and skills. You can't just fire a lazar rifle and expect to win with your armor.

what? yes i can i whip out an ar and the laser losses as it's op.

What about when the other team starts storming your side? You need to upgrade your armor first...

What about when the other team starts storming your side? You need to upgrade your armor first...

all u need r shields and an ar and u when no armor required.

110% dmg to shields and 90% to armor, some armor would help... a little... very little

no armor slows u down so u will get hit more making tht 1 slight advantage opselete. :)

...armor effing sucks!

Do you think you're funny?

It's not the AR it's light sharpshooter. I feel the same as you when a light sharpshooter proficiency AR kills me from across the map when I'm using the laser. This skill makes weapons ridiculous, not just the AR.

i figured out the problem and the answer to this whole situation.

sorry it took so long.


short answer:

you guys really need to start doing your kegels.


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and this is why they need to be nerfed now so when they get buffed they'll be the same op things they r now.

and this is why they need to be nerfed now so when they get buffed they'll be the same op things they r now.

sharpshooter will be taken away
but a nerf is going a bit to far. what needs to be nerfed are the damage mods people stack them so much its rediculous
blocking it to where one can be placed in a suit makes the proficiency skill a must.
even when i had proficiency lvl 4 i still had to empty a clip and a half into a good heavy so no i disagree.
im not an imp and not a hater on your post im just saying what i think the issue is.

and you got alot of mag players like me who love the ar game it seems to be the only cqc in the game thats any fun when infact the games are fair and people arent sitting in the mcc.

every gun has its goods and bads and every skill has its counter skill.

They said in the keynote that everything had been revamped and rebalanced

Rebalanced for who? CoD casuals? I'll believe this "rebalancing" when I see it.

\o/

it better be rebalanced so all weapons have ups and downs even an ar. :).

Your optimism is a adorable.

what im trying to say is nerfing them wont help as long as damage mods are stackable...
take away the ability to stack damage mods and you have simple ar games where you wont think they are op.
make the profiecency skill start being used.

ur negativity is noted and u r a glass half empty kind of guy. Which means u don't believe the ar will get wat it deserves a nerf.

u lower the base damage the less damage mods will do . problem fixed.

Actually, I'm a very optimistic person but being a customer of CCP for 5+ years has jaded me to being a pessimist when it comes to anything CCP related and being a customer of Sony for 20+ years just makes me jaded in general.

What's going to wind up happening is that even if AR does get their nerf, a new FotM with surface until that gets nerfed, but another FotM will resurface after that. It's an endless cycle that will continue until programmers stop being lazy and implement actual balance. Once that's achieved, Sony will be the checkov's gun to the whole story, forcing CCP to appeal to casuals in the end.

Mine was better

well to bad the ar needs a nerf. and we all know it.

Never said it didn't, just get ready to make a post about the next FotM. It's premature, but I'm going to say the next one will be Amarr Assault with Scrambler Rifle.

nerfing weapons will only make the game ****** nerf the damn damage mods that seems to be the real issue. ive heard nerf this nerf that eventually ppl will run out of weapons to complain about then the next thing to be nerfed will be shield and armor modules. how about instead of worrying about the weapons we worry about why one year after this beta has been out we still get massive champion lag on certain maps, or how we still using the same maps or how we still dont have an options menu for selecting your other characters or how there isnt an eve to dust alliance connection or how there isnt a skill for boosting isk or how there isnt a store option to sell your salvage items whats the point of even earning salvage items if you cant skill everything to lvl 5 to use them if so ill have to wait some 30 years to do so. get my drift?

you're just bad AR need a small buff in sights if anything, learn how to use every other weapon

no it's not damage stacking penalties apply so stop protecting ur god gun called the ar.

lol my god gun.
nice one but actually im good at everything i use in the game not just ar's
its called
people need to stop crying yes crying about nerfing something that they cant kill. dont blame the gun blame the ****** suit you use.
nuff said.

no it needs a nerf not a buff plz u should know why do u use it exclusivly then because its bad. plz u know it's op.

good news guys, I was just speaking to CCP Foxfour in IRC (guy was typing a bit drunk lol) and he said some of the changes involving AR's were "clip size adjustment, improved recoil display, and a smaller damage gap" to ensure that newer players could just pick up an AR and play.

you think its op because we good players have no problem with the ARs. they are fine and requires the most skill at using. they already nerfed it so it doesnt need another one....what game have yall been playing?

good news guys, I was just speaking to CCP Foxfour in IRC (guy was typing a bit drunk lol) and he said some of the changes involving AR's were "clip size adjustment, improved recoil display, and a smaller damage gap" to ensure that newer players could just pick up an AR and play.

stop lying dummy im on irc now and he isnt even on it......

you think its op because we good players have no problem with the ARs. they are fine and requires the most skill at using. they already nerfed it so it doesnt need another one....what game have yall been playing?

you think its op because we good players have no problem with the ARs. they are fine and requires the most skill at using. they already nerfed it so it doesnt need another one....what game have yall been playing?

they nerfed the breach and yes they nerfed it to hard but the main ar is way to powrful compared to its counterparts. its op compared to all other guns in the game.

+1
THIS

good news guys, I was just speaking to CCP Foxfour in IRC (guy was typing a bit drunk lol) and he said some of the changes involving AR's were "clip size adjustment, improved recoil display, and a smaller damage gap" to ensure that newer players could just pick up an AR and play.

at least he tried ur here saying ars are underpowered.

they nerfed every AR.... and it been confirmed that the breach and Tac are getting an improvement in uprising so every AR will do fine now. ARs can't reach as long as snipers, ARs cant out DPS shotguns or HMGs, Mass drivers are supposed to be used a special way. learn how to play each weapon and you could do fine with it

no im saying they already had a nerf and they dont need another because they are FINE.........

why ars take less skill than lasers at least u have to heat up a laser all u do with an ar is point and click. OMG thts so much SKILL!!!!!

why ars take less skill than lasers at least u have to heat up a laser all u do with an ar is point and click. OMG thts so much SKILL!!!!!

no ars are superior in every way damage to range. the only way to kill them is via snipers and we all know it. or another ar.

but ALL the other weapons excel at their JOB, they are better than the AR at their JOB, if you just fix every weapon to have the same function as the AR then this will turn into another basic(COD) shooter. ARs are fine you chumps are just the same few that have been sucking build after build

but ALL the other weapons excel at their JOB, they are better than the AR at their JOB, if you just fix every weapon to have the same function as the AR then this will turn into another basic(COD) shooter. ARs are fine you chumps are just the same few that have been sucking build after build

first off stop qouting me cause i can't qoute u and. like all u av ppl say if u were good u wouldn't have let the shotgun get so close to u if u were good. am i right.

sometimes i like to show people the idiot posting that's receiving my comments. what are you even talking about? are somehow trying to say im bad because i let shotgunners kill me? thats their job and in my post i was the one who used the fit with four dmg mods so i was talking about myself not some else killing me

You guys don't understand, the damage calculation for all weapons is (n+base dmg)x4 (dmgmodsx1.05) + vy/vx. But for the ar's, the variable is a static 48, which makes x = 48, combine that with dmgmods and the gun is op. Also, vx is static as well and the recoil time shifts slightly every 0.8 seconds.

CoD's successful, maybe dust can build off that. It's not all that bad you know. Also, esports could work.

dmg mods on an ar is not really op atleast we can tell the difference in this game and dmg mods actually seem to work. the down side to using dmg mods is lower health. use fuse grenades or the up coming scrambler rifle. just stop posting these faill post idiots the game is getting a massive update in like two weeks/ wait till may 6th before you decide what needs fixing....

sometimes i like to show people the idiot posting that's receiving my comments. what are you even talking about? are somehow trying to say im bad because i let shotgunners kill me? thats their job and in my post i was the one who used the fit with four dmg mods so i was talking about myself not some else killing me

i don't want the other guns to change just the ar cause it owns every weapon in every field. other than the shot gun and sniper. only the ar can. it has good damage output on all ranges unlike a lasor and doesn't need to heat up to hurt them a lot.

cod works because of esports, cod also gets boring after 2-3 months and has been the same for years.

lasers/snipers beat ars at range
hmgs beat ars at close
as well as shotguns
MD is a coin flip

then how is 4 damage mods on a shotgun op? unless u think it super charges it. i don't know anyone who uses 4 damage mods on a shotgun as a normal fit.

i use it cause i can, thats whats so good about this game. i do what i want nub, if running 4 dmg on a shotgun is so bad then why do i do so well with it? maybe its not the guns people maybe its your playstyle

How come everyone plays it? Also, they have new weapon and maps all the times.

Nova gtfo here, I'll tell you something about AR's later.

and Ar is the king of all those catagories.

what had enough? i can put you scrubs in your place anyday and all day

can you not read?

ITT: Scissors can cut paper and rock, gets called out and claims it's the way it should be.

Hello?

ITT: Scissors can cut paper and rock, gets called out and claims it's the way it should be.

oh well i made my point, seems like yall have nothing left to argue about because im true. seriously why are people even asking for nerfs and buffs now anyway? everything will change once Uprising comes. later dummies

some scissors CAN cut rock, when used the right way

yea so now u agree tht ars are op. u just admited it.

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I HATE IT WHEN MY PARENTS FIGHT!!!! Daddy always ends up hitting mommy! FFS guys, you two are lucky the Devs are all drunk in Iceland. They should have locked this thread hours ago for flaming.

Are you still doing the QQ Kitten about this?

HTFU, of all the Mercs in DUST why would you even need to hear this?

If you are Not Trolling here is the reply (Trolling is responded to below).

Okay, one more time: the AR is the default weapon. It works well under many circumstances but not is not perfect in any one. This means this is the one weapon that will kill you the most often because it is the most used weapon. Not because it is the most powerful weapon.

Yes, you will get butt hurt by it.

Some will sharpshooter to lvl 5 and proficiency to lvl 5 and surprise you with distance, some will be running damage modules plus being leveled in AR proficiency will increase damage even more. That will give them plenty of power to pop your shotgunning head right off because you came running at them. If you run at them and they see you then you should expect to die. Having a shotgun should not mean insta-kills with magically invincible armor.

For those that don't know (which should not include the OP) the AR Nerf flattened out the abilities between the various versions. Some Merc that is a good shot can use the Exile or a standard 60 round clip tier 1 AR and clean your clock. After the big AR Nerf they no longer needed the high level weapons because there is not much difference between them.

Kitten, I even know a Merc that only uses the 48round Militia version and he is terribly effective with it. You will die when he decides your time has come and there will be precious little you can do about it. Running might work. Might not. If he has his sight on you ... it won't.

As far as the HMG goes a Ninja Nerf some weeks back made all Heavies much easier to kill. The AR is not the problem. Running without a Logi Bro used to be possible. My alt did it all the time. Now, under those conditions he switches to Assault and runs ... his Exile or a GEK.

Have a nice day.

If this was really a Troll than this here the Troll Response:

As far as the laser rifle goes you shouldn't be allowed to use it. It doesn't belong in the game and only poor shoots with no armor use it. It should only be allowed to be used in meetings for highlighting slides.

Not much

o/ hows it going. u joining the part. \o/

No.

oh well i made my point, seems like yall have nothing left to argue about because im true. seriously why are people even asking for nerfs and buffs now anyway? everything will change once Uprising comes. later dummies

Lol, what point? You do everything that every other AR elitist does:

1.Claim that everyone else's gun game is inferior to yours as a claim that the weapon is balanced.
2.Discredit and downright slander the skill required to use other weapons.
3. Argue 1 or 2 over and over again, but use a different choice of words.

so, i think the forge gun has been doing well lately. no ones complained once about it. honestly though i have to use a forge gun to kill hmg guys. its not tough and it a hell of a lot better at killing heavies than the ar. i can usually drop a heavy to 50 with a malitia(which i guess is fair with the pricing and all) but i can one hit them with a forge gun. and then a skinweave+malitia forge maybe costs around 1500 so i dont even need to pay for much at all.

Yes my minions demand AR nerfs more so i can pretend to be even more as the king off the hill with my laser. To be honest the actual AR is fine at the moment how it is. The other AR's just simply suck (apart from the tactical cause that is "balanced"). And i bet only a quarter of the people here tried out the allotek burst assault rifle which has no recoil, has without the burst delay the same rate of fire like the balacs and it has the old fancy scope on it. Just a hint regarding burst AR's:
STD-ADV-PRO have all different rate of fires and the PRO variant is the fastest firing burst rifle in the game. Sadly i see barely any 1 with it. Ignorant fools.

Man, I can't keep up with who's trolling and who's really butthurt anymore FFFFFFFF..........

This has gone too far. When I use an AR some a-hole with sharpshooter laser gets me. When I use an AR, an HMG across the map can out dps me. When I use an ar and a shotgun come near he kills me way too easily.

The point is, the AR is a hugely underpowered weapon and needs a major buff in damage, range, and recoil decrease

The scope needs to return, and the tac rifle needs a damage boost again.

Yes. +1, not everyone uses an AR. I mean, come on, clearly it needs to be buffed.

Yes. +1, not everyone uses an AR. I mean, come on, clearly it needs to be buffed.

no one really use the heavy any more, it's getting lonely but everyone wants to nerf the heavy more

Once uprising comes out, people will be QQing to nerf sentinels.

Just my opinion, but I think the AR needs to continue to be mediocre at everything to avoid making other weapons, which are good for specific purposes and gameplay styles, near useless.

I guess it would depend on what got buffed.

I mean heavy is hard to use and less people are using it and it needs to be nerf more come on really

just like the heavy

I guess. Never dabbled with heavy dropsuits. Probably should grab some militia stuff and do a test drive. Hopefully it won't turn out as badly as my tank test drives. New appreciation for that.

Actually it will end up just like your tank test drives. SP skill, Player skill, and equipment levels are a huge factor in whatever class you play as. Also, militia heavy suits are made of toilet paper.

and with all the proto AR and LR,Shotguns and it's hard being a heavy

and with all the proto AR and LR,Shotguns and it's hard being a heavy

You guys still dominate the **** out of bottlenecks and choke points. AR players dominate... everything else...

I love how everyone is -just now- saying the AR is over-powered when Uprising is less than two weeks from deployment.

Thanks guys, could have totally used your support a month and a half ago when it actually mattered -_-

This has gone too far. When I use an AR some a-hole with sharpshooter laser gets me. When I use an AR, an HMG across the map can out dps me. When I use an ar and a shotgun come near he kills me way too easily.

The point is, the AR is a hugely underpowered weapon and needs a major buff in damage, range, and recoil decrease

The scope needs to return, and the tac rifle needs a damage boost again.

This has gone too far. When I use an AR some a-hole with sharpshooter laser gets me. When I use an AR, an HMG across the map can out dps me. When I use an ar and a shotgun come near he kills me way too easily.

The point is, the AR is a hugely underpowered weapon and needs a major buff in damage, range, and recoil decrease

The scope needs to return, and the tac rifle needs a damage boost again.