Proto scout is beast? Wtf

I think you mean proto assault lol

you got proto scout suit which is beast, you got scrubz with dildo laser guns spraying up the skies like a fuckin club rave stripper show..

you got AR rifles that kill a heavy in seconds so where is the love for the good ol' heavies?!?! I saw another thread on here with the new suits that are coming and not one damn heavy suit :/ come on CCP we know yall love the scouts and Assualt class show love to the heavies

You guys cant expect to get the all the suits in one build

No, we expected balance in suit choice. Now it will be another 6 months until the next damn update before the heavy suits finally appear. What a crock. I am making an assumption, but until CCP gives us a solid list of what suits will be showing up in Uprising, it's all I've got.

I think that on paper, the heavy was originally designed to be the ultimate AV class. That's why in earlier builds they had such an insane HP pool because they were supposed to be able to go to-to-toe with HAV. But with the HMG, heavies were also an overly effective anti-infantry class and became unbalanced.
Outside of something that's outright game breaking, I've been against nerfing and instead establishing an effective counter. Heavies should have kept their high HP, but been suspectable to AV. Imagine if swarm launchers, AV grenades and proximity mines were able to target them, but scaled down for the sake of balance. Heavies would still be the intended AV class, but be at the mercy of more weapons than any other infantry class while adding incentive for players to use AV. This could have been a better choice instead of what wound up happening.

I think that on paper, the heavy was originally designed to be the ultimate AV class. That's why in earlier builds they had such an insane HP pool because they were supposed to be able to go to-to-toe with HAV. But with the HMG, heavies were also an overly effective anti-infantry class and became unbalanced.
Outside of something that's outright game breaking, I've been against nerfing and instead establishing an effective counter. Heavies should have kept their high HP, but been suspectable to AV. Imagine if swarm launchers, AV grenades and proximity mines were able to target them, but scaled down for the sake of balance. Heavies would still be the intended AV class, but be at the mercy of more weapons than any other infantry class while adding incentive for players to use AV. This could have been a better choice instead of what wound up happening.

that sounds like something that requores coding, and CCP is lazy as hell.

"the heavy is unbalanced, here, i have a great way to fix it"

"naw, far easier to just reduce all their stats and make them useless, AND that will make the assault suit guys love us, we're doing that"

I don't think the plasma cannon going to be an effective counter for heavies its a one shot mass driver meant for tanks with a charge pre-requisite, if you cant down the idiot in the time he lets it go that charge you deserve to die just as much to a forge gunner.

and I agree with the statement about the scouts, out of all suits they're the most frustrating as a simple mistake does get you killed, and further more the game itself does account for a larger number of scout deaths than any other class.

If I was a heavy, I'd be more worried about the Flaylock.

At least you guys get sentinel suits.

I don't think the plasma cannon going to be an effective counter for heavies its a one shot mass driver meant for tanks with a charge pre-requisite, if you cant down the idiot in the time he lets it go that charge you deserve to die just as much to a forge gunner.

and I agree with the statement about the scouts, out of all suits they're the most frustrating as a simple mistake does get you killed, and further more the game itself does account for a larger number of scout deaths than any other class.

If I was a heavy, I'd be more worried about the Flaylock.

At least you guys get sentinel suits.

Heavies are already at the mercy of everything in the game. Add plasma cannons to the heavy killer list.

- I genuinely want to laugh at the whole thing tbh

Funny, when I play with heavies, they never seem to have trouble mowing people down and averaging 20+ kills a match. When I'm around, they get access to a full resupply on demand, tons of heals from my love beam, revived with 50% armor, cooked flux grenades thrown at the enemy so they can kill even faster, and covering fire from a mass driver.

pub games... lol

Not really a place where you would balance weapons / classes / vehicles.

Funny, when I play with heavies, they never seem to have trouble mowing people down and averaging 20+ kills a match. When I'm around, they get access to a full resupply on demand, tons of heals from my love beam, revived with 50% armor, cooked flux grenades thrown at the enemy so they can kill even faster, and covering fire from a mass driver.

Yea mowing down militia to basic fits, but put a PRO heavy against a PRO assault with 450-500 shields and the heavy will lose every single time, even with your love beam planted firmly in his ass. Not to mention the heavy spent 2 or 3x as much ISK. Sorry but in my opinion I shouldn't need a babysitter to successfully run an armor tanked heavy suit. Does a armor tank need a personal babysitter to keep their armor up?

You're argument for heavys being balanced is that they should have a babysitter at all times....really dude?

#8 Posted: 2013.04.22 05:15 | Report | by: Cosgar
I think that on paper, the heavy was originally designed to be the ultimate AV class. That's why in earlier builds they had such an insane HP pool because they were supposed to be able to go to-to-toe with HAV. But with the HMG, heavies were also an overly effective anti-infantry class and became unbalanced.
Outside of something that's outright game breaking, I've been against nerfing and instead establishing an effective counter. Heavies should have kept their high HP, but been suspectable to AV. Imagine if swarm launchers, AV grenades and proximity mines were able to target them, but scaled down for the sake of balance. Heavies would still be the intended AV class, but be at the mercy of more weapons than any other infantry class while adding incentive for players to use AV. This could have been a better choice instead of what wound up happening.

this sums it up perfectly.

instead of a passive armor repper, how bout an active that for oh say 5 cycles, it reps 50 HP per cycle?

(we have with maxed passive skills near 700 armor HP any less would be ********)

I saw that post, I then posted an idea to bring heavys to a state somewhat resembling balanced and rather than comment on or critique the idea you essentially respond with "Its fine as is, roll with a good logi like me".

So much complaining guys, and I don't really get it.

Lets take Vortex, a HMG wielding fatty from SI. KDR well over 7 if I remember correctly.

So we end up in a game with a squad of SI on each team and he totally stomps us. We came 2-3 assault guys on him once and he mowed us all down. I wonder how many skillpoints many of you complaining guys actually have put into it.

When a good HMG starts to hit you, the "gets slowed down due to being shot at by enemy" effect is just insane. I have stood with my 675 HP proto assault build 2 meters from cover and not being able to make it cause a couple of thousands of bullets a minute slowed me enough down to kill me before making cover. This huge weapon related benefit is never talked about, why?

So I ask you, why is it that some fatties are dominating the battlefield, making all the AR tryhards get out of dodge, and some of you have a hard time doing anything by the sound of it?

Is Vortex such a beast to manage this setup properly, or is it just the rest of you that actually needs to step it up a noch?

(And I've got a fatty alt, 3 kdr with less than 1 M skillpoints and even with using the damn almost useless tactical AR)

you got proto scout suit which is beast, you got scrubz with dildo laser guns spraying up the skies like a fuckin club rave stripper show..

you got AR rifles that kill a heavy in seconds so where is the love for the good ol' heavies?!?! I saw another thread on here with the new suits that are coming and not one damn heavy suit :/ come on CCP we know yall love the scouts and Assualt class show love to the heavies

Because having a few really good players means that the class isn't gimped?

I've also never heard of this "slowing down effect".

But if he took out 3 assault guys, then it's probably you guys who were doing something wrong. I don't care how good he is, he should not have been able to mow you down like that on his own, unless you all came at him in a straight line in CQC

The question is really, what makes the good heavies good, and the bad heavies bad? And furthermore, is complaining about the suit the right way to go? How about speccing into sharpshooter instead....

And If you've never heard off or experienced the slowing down effect then you must have been playing another game man. They implemented it in the third beta buid (might be incoorect), have you never noticed that your charcter move more slowly when you get shot at by for example an AR? How could you miss that?

You mean over 800HP Armor....900-1000 if you go crazy with complex plates.

I've dreamed of active reppers for heavys for months now, but unless everyone can use it every assault suit and their dog will be bitching up a storm. In short, won't happen.

However repair modules that repair a percentage rather than a fixed amount would work. Or potentially armor repair rate bonuses per suit operation level would help.

have you never noticed that your charcter move more slowly when you get shot at by for example an AR? How could you miss that?

So much complaining guys, and I don't really get it.

Lets take Vortex, a HMG wielding fatty from SI. KDR well over 7 if I remember correctly.

So we end up in a game with a squad of SI on each team and he totally stomps us. We came 2-3 assault guys on him once and he mowed us all down. I wonder how many skillpoints many of you complaining guys actually have put into it.

When a good HMG starts to hit you, the "gets slowed down due to being shot at by enemy" effect is just insane. I have stood with my 675 HP proto assault build 2 meters from cover and not being able to make it cause a couple of thousands of bullets a minute slowed me enough down to kill me before making cover. This huge weapon related benefit is never talked about, why?

So I ask you, why is it that some fatties are dominating the battlefield, making all the AR tryhards get out of dodge, and some of you have a hard time doing anything by the sound of it?

Is Vortex such a beast to manage this setup properly, or is it just the rest of you that actually needs to step it up a noch?

(And I've got a fatty alt, 3 kdr with less than 1 M skillpoints and even with using the damn almost useless tactical AR)

I am running heavy all the time and the largest problem is the high isk price. I will drop quickly and not get many kills if I only go with militia Heavy suit and standard HMG. It works against others in militia suits but that's about it and reasonable fair. The price for my advanced heavy suit and proto HMG is 180k-240k isk which means one death and I will not earn any isk and two death it will be a loss.

You dont have to use the best of everything dude. Type 2, a pair of complex dmg mods, a H69-something HMG and some flux grenades. Cheep, Solid, and deadly.

more people crying because they dont relise a heavy is meant to have logi surport. the slow rep rate on armour reps is to try and encourage you to stay with your team. most heavyies i kill have decided they want to run around solo. if they stick with there team i have little chance to kill them.

instead of complaining think about how you are dieing and what you can change. welcome to new eden where you actully have to think.

Wow dude you have absolutely no concept of "beast". I came here expecting some viable information to help prove the already proven in that Heavies are under-powered when compared with other suits but choosing the Scout as a comparison was just silly.

Scouts are ridiculously under-powered and they don't give a lot of room for error. You have to be quick on the reaction time and have a fond understanding of the eb and flow of the battlefield as one mistake will wind up putting you in a CRU.

Go fight against some of the bigger corps with their Prototype Assault suits and Prototype Weapons stacked with 4x Complex Damage Mods/Shield Extenders, then come back and see what you think.

You dont have to use the best of everything dude. Type 2, a pair of complex dmg mods, a H69-something HMG and some flux grenades. Cheep, Solid, and deadly.

The issues with heavies are the cost to run it and the amount of sp to spec in. Also, with the upcoming build, will we see more players respec into the heavy class or heavies specializing out into other classes?

Exactly. Non-medium suits need some love. For scouts, I say make all their stats sans speed, stamina, and HP the same as an assault suit (PG/CPU and total slot count included), keep their HP low, and bring tgeir scan profile and precision down to 40. That way, it's balanced with the assault in that it's a lot more stealthier, can move and run faster for longer, but has very low HP.

I've got a 4.1 k/d at 4.8 mill SP so I'd say I'm a pretty decent heavy but that doesn't mean the class is well balanced with other suits.

And as sloth said if three of you attacking him at the same time couldn't bring him down then you're doing it wrong. Use one to make a frontal assault while the other two engage from his flanks and I guarantee you'd have downed him. 3 decent AR's firing on heavy WILL bring him down.

As far as this magical ability to slow you down from being fired upon I'd hardly call it confirmed. Dev statement or in game testing for proof or it's still just a theory. I too have an assault build and have never once experienced this in 2 months 16 days.

Finally my biggest gripe is that armor tanking a heavy suit is a death sentence, the B series is literally the only viable option and without any racial variants coming to the large frame the least they could do is tweak armor repair skill so we fat boys atleast have 2 options. That and the cost of good gear for a heavy.

And for the love of God, why would you put armor plates on a heavy? Isn't it slow enough already? You get about 930 HP with a type-ll suit with passive skills, why not use shield extenders instead? They give you less but they don't slow you down and it will increase the percentage of rapid resetting HP. And don't say "I need those slots for my damage mods" - then you dissqualify yourself from this discussion in my opinion, your scrubbiness is obvious and its clearly you and not the suit thats at a fault.

The thing is that sometimes a direct confontration can't be avoided. Its not like we normally have a problem fighting against heavies. Its just when you have a really good fatty with a chubby chaser behind him and AR guys at the flanks, its really hard to do much short of nade spam when we're in areas with lots of walls/boxes/general cover.

The ability that slows you down has been confirmed, I who remember how it was before it was implemented notice it all the time. It was also mentioned by the devs upon the release of that build. This goes for almost all the weapons, not sure about the lasers. In the early days (also much due to poor hit detection) a 1 vs 1 AR fight could last for minutes. Both players goes through several clips, when a guy gets damaged he simply went behind cover. The amount of time it took to down somone relative to the general HP recharge was off. They implemented this slow down effect and I hated it at first but I eventually got used to it. It makes it harder for me reach cover in time but it also makes it easier to kill others.

Under the assumption that all guns slow you down when hit, the HMG has a huge benefit since it often slows me down so much that I die even though I'm very close to cover.

And I'm not saying that this is the be it all of the fatties.

Personally I have over 8 miilion skillpoints solely dedicated to keeping me alive and putting others down with my AR. Can anyone with a similar degree of dedication to a certain role come here and tell me what its like with a fatty?

I'd also like to hear what kind of HMG sharpshooter level you have.

And for the love of God, why would you put armor plates on a heavy? Isn't it slow enough already? You get about 930 HP with a type-ll suit with passive skills, why not use shield extenders instead? They give you less but they don't slow you down and it will increase the percentage of rapid resetting HP. And don't say "I need those slots for my damage mods" - then you dissqualify yourself from this discussion in my opinion, your scrubbiness is obvious and its clearly you and not the suit thats at a fault.

And what is your heavy weapon upgrade skill at? I'm at 220 of 224 CPU on a Type II with two complex damage mods, an MH-82 and a weak sauce basic repper, no room for nades much less a SMG which with a 8 sec reload time can be risky. I thought about bringing up heavy weapon upgrade to 4 for another 7.2 CPU reduction on an MH-82 (barely room for locus nade) but that's 400k SP, may as well just spec up to B series and gain an extra low slot. Hell it's only about 35K more per suit.

The thing is that sometimes a direct confontration can't be avoided. Its not like we normally have a problem fighting against heavies. Its just when you have a really good fatty with a chubby chaser behind him and AR guys at the flanks, its really hard to do much short of nade spam when we're in areas with lots of walls/boxes/general cover.

The ability that slows you down has been confirmed, I who remember how it was before it was implemented notice it all the time. It was also mentioned by the devs upon the release of that build. This goes for almost all the weapons, not sure about the lasers. In the early days (also much due to poor hit detection) a 1 vs 1 AR fight could last for minutes. Both players goes through several clips, when a guy gets damaged he simply went behind cover. The amount of time it took to down somone relative to the general HP recharge was off. They implemented this slow down effect and I hated it at first but I eventually got used to it. It makes it harder for me reach cover in time but it also makes it easier to kill others.

Under the assumption that all guns slow you down when hit, the HMG has a huge benefit since it often slows me down so much that I die even though I'm very close to cover.

And I'm not saying that this is the be it all of the fatties.

Personally I have over 8 miilion skillpoints solely dedicated to keeping me alive and putting others down with my AR. Can anyone with a similar degree of dedication to a certain role come here and tell me what its like with a fatty?

I'd also like to hear what kind of HMG sharpshooter level you have.

And for the love of God, why would you put armor plates on a heavy? Isn't it slow enough already? You get about 930 HP with a type-ll suit with passive skills, why not use shield extenders instead? They give you less but they don't slow you down and it will increase the percentage of rapid resetting HP. And don't say "I need those slots for my damage mods" - then you dissqualify yourself from this discussion in my opinion, your scrubbiness is obvious and its clearly you and not the suit thats at a fault

Heavy suit is easy mode. Easiest suit in the game to use. Has the most Armor easily, a gun that slows enemies when shooting them. Never has to worry about running out of bullets. Can just hold down R1 easily. EASY MODE!

I kind of agree on this. There are ways to counter them but a smart and skilled heavy just has it too easy.

I think that on paper, the heavy was originally designed to be the ultimate AV class. That's why in earlier builds they had such an insane HP pool because they were supposed to be able to go to-to-toe with HAV. But with the HMG, heavies were also an overly effective anti-infantry class and became unbalanced.
Outside of something that's outright game breaking, I've been against nerfing and instead establishing an effective counter. Heavies should have kept their high HP, but been suspectable to AV. Imagine if swarm launchers, AV grenades and proximity mines were able to target them, but scaled down for the sake of balance. Heavies would still be the intended AV class, but be at the mercy of more weapons than any other infantry class while adding incentive for players to use AV. This could have been a better choice instead of what wound up happening.

IMO people just say this to make themselves feel better about not being successful in a 1v1 with a heavy....much like Basic fit assaults blaming the suit when they lose a 1v1 against a proto assault....

you got proto scout suit which is beast, you got scrubz with dildo laser guns spraying up the skies like a **** club rave stripper show..

you got AR rifles that kill a heavy in seconds so where is the love for the good ol' heavies?!?! I saw another thread on here with the new suits that are coming and not one damn heavy suit :/ come on CCP we know yall love the scouts and Assualt class show love to the heavies

*please fully censor all profanity* - CCP Eterne

If anyone wants to know how to spec a suit properly and not least what skills to chose first, let me know, I'm at your service

I'm pretty sure there are dedicated heavies that know how to skill and fit their class perfectly. That doesn't change the fact that the proto heavy is lame.

There are basically no problems at all with the standard and advanced heavies, but the proto offers no improvement to be honest (not even looking at the price). 2 low slots is **** and I really wonder why it's been 5+ months with no word from CCP on this matter.

Agreed.

I see the problem that if you continued the trend to proto heavies... you'd get some absolute monster with 1200+hp, a never ending cone of insta death, and the most sexy thing on 2 servo powered legs... you cant have everything

What's the problem with that? Everyone knows the proto heavy is unbalanced at the moment.

Also for the record you can have a proto heavy with 1200+ health already.

heavy is junk... super UP sauce that gets melted by militia scrubs all the time ;)

my biggest concern is when they get rid of the ability to increase effective range (as Ive been reading)

this is what separates the better heavies from the pack imo as they can actually hit the AR at range and at the least make them relocate.

this is the toughest part of being a heavy is getting smashed from a distance where you cant do anything except attempt to move our chunky butts to cover...

armor rep is a joke, you cant even make a good rep suit without sacrificing way too much due to cpu constraints.

sure the proto suit is fun, but in no way cost effective nor significantly better than a B series

1 extra slot and enough CPU to add a dmg mod IF you don't equip the specialist proto hmgs.

basically any 'god mode' HMG setup will require a CPU chip, leaving 1 slot for rep/plates etc.

Seems like you haven't really experimented with the fittings. Please, have a seat over here.

In the next build, armor rep modules get a 5% bonus per each skill level. Vk. 0 will then rep 12.5 AHP if you have 2 complex reps (don't worry about not being able to use a proto HMG over ADV, range and damage BARELY increases). Armor heavy is good against the army of AR users and the rep is constant. Once the HMG has no sharpshooter then just go AR or Assault HMG and kill everything (I have 200 Officer ARs and 150 Officer Pistols waiting to be used).

Heavy vk.1 can be given a ADV/PRO speed mod + Complex rep... but everyone loves the reckless DPS right? -_-
Add damage mods everywhere then, your shields will usually leave the armor untouched.

all i can say is ROLE BONUSES

in uprising all suits will have race spesific bonuses not sure if its going to be 1 bonus or 2 im an eve player most of the ships there have 2 bonuses most ships its 1 offensive and 1 defensive bonus

so that heavy suit ur chuntering on about might have a 10% bonus to armor per lvl on the heavy dropsuit skill (gussing here)
so ur heavy suit with a base HP of 600 will have a base hp of 900 with heavy dropsuit lvl 5 thats 50% more hp b4 u add plates etc
or it could have a 5-10% to armor repair per lvl add this in with the bonus on the armor repair skill (thats being altered in uprising ) ur going to have some sweet local rep

on top of the defensive bonus the suit may have a DMG bonus to HMG or forge at say 5% per lvl

im just guessing and speculating

i read there not adding heavy suits for the other races but whos to know they probly forgot to add it to the dev blog (guessing here too)

i can see a sweet minmatar heavy suit with a nice shield bonus and HMG damage bonus

the proto heavy is lame.

There are basically no problems at all with the standard and advanced heavies, but the proto offers no improvement to be honest (not even looking at the price). 2 low slots is **** and I really wonder why it's been 5+ months with no word from CCP on this matter.

I disagree. I think that the games design is skewed in favor of the heavies. Maybe too much so if the heavy gear did not cost so much. I think the heavy movement penalty is not balanced in respect to the scout's 'bonus'. I'll try to explain...

Using vk1 suits as models lets examine the following statistics with the key as follows: movement speed(ms); sprint speed(ss); sprint duration(sd); stamina(st); stamina recovery rate(rr). Lets also assume that assault suits movement statistics are SUPPOSED to be the average or mean. Armor ratings listed next to suit type.

Scout 135
ms - 5.5 m/s
ss - 7.7 m/s
sd - 18.5 s
st - 185.2
rr - 18 /s

Assault 105
ms - 5
ss - 7
sd - 15
st - 150
rr - 15

Heavy 422
ms - 3.9
ss - 5.5
sd - 12.6
st - 126
rr - 12

Armor ratings apparently have nothing to do with movement speed unless you account for equipment and mod slots in which case, EACH PIECE of equipment should come with its own respective movement penalty.

Now lets put the MS and SS into perspective. The easiest way to do that is to ask, how far can each suit travel (unmodified) in 100 seconds? Scouts 550 and 770 meters, Assault 500 and 700 meters, and Heavy 390 and 550 meters.

Basically.

Bendtner92 is right....
I refuse to believe that CCP thinks the proto heavy is balanced. It's UP and OP (underpowered and overpriced).

I made the mistake of being quiet when Heavies were being nerfed the first time around.

I'm not going to keep quiet and allow things to keep going as they are without even trying to get these guys some long overdue rebalancing.

"First they came for the Heavies, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Heavy..."

Actually people just say this because its true. People medicate to make themselves feel better.

The 1v1 matchup with the heavy depends on several variables just like any 1v1 matchup. Distance, Weapon, Armor, Shields, and whether or not the target sees one coming, etc. It is unfortunate for many to be caught in the heavy's range and crosshairs but it is not at all impossible to overcome.

Bullet slowing effect is just like snipers not having to lead moving targets and they also get gifted kills on runners and jumpers. If bullet slowing is not an unfair advantage, then lets make all bullets slow the target. SMG slows you down when its in your face and spraying everywhere.

If its not some kind of 'EASY' mode, then its definitely some kind of LAZY mode.

I think that on paper, the heavy was originally designed to be the ultimate AV class. That's why in earlier builds they had such an insane HP pool because they were supposed to be able to go to-to-toe with HAV. But with the HMG, heavies were also an overly effective anti-infantry class and became unbalanced.
Outside of something that's outright game breaking, I've been against nerfing and instead establishing an effective counter. Heavies should have kept their high HP, but been suspectable to AV. Imagine if swarm launchers, AV grenades and proximity mines were able to target them, but scaled down for the sake of balance. Heavies would still be the intended AV class, but be at the mercy of more weapons than any other infantry class while adding incentive for players to use AV. This could have been a better choice instead of what wound up happening.

Obviously you have not seen Sponglyboy Squaredoo running a boundless HMG with around 900 EHP and a damage mod or two.

heavy is junk... super UP sauce that gets melted by militia scrubs all the time ;)

my biggest concern is when they get rid of the ability to increase effective range (as Ive been reading)

this is what separates the better heavies from the pack imo as they can actually hit the AR at range and at the least make them relocate.

this is the toughest part of being a heavy is getting smashed from a distance where you cant do anything except attempt to move our chunky butts to cover...

armor rep is a joke, you cant even make a good rep suit without sacrificing way too much due to cpu constraints.

sure the proto suit is fun, but in no way cost effective nor significantly better than a B series

1 extra slot and enough CPU to add a dmg mod IF you don't equip the specialist proto hmgs.

basically any 'god mode' HMG setup will require a CPU chip, leaving 1 slot for rep/plates etc.

Heavies don't wanna be reminded that they are easy mode. They like to think it's the most under powered suit in the game to make themselves feel better when they are getting owned. It's bad if you're a heavy and your still getting killed all day. It's supposed to be the "UP suit the weak suit" Than why da **** is there 4-6 Heavies in EVERY single game? Is it all you players like challenges and continue to use the weakest suit in the game? Why is it when you run up on somebody and he's camping a supply depot he will run and switch to the weakest suit in game (Heavy) Let's be real here Heavy is the easiest suit to use when used right. Not my fault you fatty bums don't wanna hear that.

Thread = TL;DR

CCP, please show the Heavies some TLC.

Heavies really have it bad... I haven't seen a single Heavy that isn't suffering. From new heavies, all the way to the good and popular guys.

Yeah, the HMG could use some tweaking... but the Sharpshooter skill screwed up EVERYONE'S balance didn't it?

Give them some suits. Make them more tanky. I want to see these guys be Kings again.

Heavies don't wanna be reminded that they are easy mode. They like to think it's the most under powered suit in the game to make themselves feel better when they are getting owned. It's bad if you're a heavy and your still getting killed all day. It's supposed to be the "UP suit the weak suit" Than why da **** is there 4-6 Heavies in EVERY single game? Is it all you players like challenges and continue to use the weakest suit in the game? Why is it when you run up on somebody and he's camping a supply depot he will run and switch to the weakest suit in game (Heavy) Let's be real here Heavy is the easiest suit to use when used right. Not my fault you fatty bums don't wanna hear that.

Yes, at the beginning of Open Beta STD level heavies were somewhat of an "EZ" mode, just hold down R1 and watch as everything around you dies, although that probably had more to do with nobody knowing how to fight them. It was very beginner friendly.

At ADV level things are more fairly balanced, but some heavies got a bit too complacent. The advantages they had no longer seemed all that great, and that separated the good heavies from the "scrubs", the good ones found a way to adapt, while the bad ones just QQed.

However, at the prototype level, the heavy suit just sucks. It costs way too much and all they gain is 1 highslot. So they can either add 1 more damage mod or 1 more shield extender. If they go with the shield extender, that's 66 more health, or about 2 AR bullets, however their poor mobility and bigger hit box means that those bullets are pretty much guaranteed to hit anyway. On a an assault suit the ability to take 2 extra shots makes a big difference, on a heavy it's worthless.

So yeah, heavies do start off a bit too good, but their poor progression makes them under powered at prototype levels. There are of course people who manage to do well despite that disadvantage, but that doesn't mean the proto suit doesn't need to be looked at.

And about being "easiest to use", well yeah, the suit is basically designed to camp, what else is it supposed to do?

Edit: Anyway... I thought this thread was about heavies not getting new suits next update, not about them being UP?

TL:DR

The issue I see is that number of slots is not even among classes, espeicaly at proto level

assult 4/4

logi 4/4

scout 4/4

heavy..... lacking


Over all they should stick to the formula of 8 slots for proto, make the suits and races different by which slots they get more of, low or high.

Having mods increase HP based off the base amount will defiantly help, but equal slots will add to this as well.

If Proto Heavy got anymore than a buff it would take like 2-3 clips to kill one.

Heavies are fine as is

They are Heavy NOT Tank.

All that tells me is that you're a fatty hater and therefore your input is worthless, good day.

They're not buffing heavies at all, they're nerfing them even more, making them 10x the joke they are today.

Heavy machine guns? Useless. Forge guns? Useless. The entire assault class? Still overused and abused.

Why do you feel heavies need a buff? I see Heavies destroy people all the time. Why da hell would you make them even stronger than they already are. The only people that are crying Heavies are under powered are the weak ones. I suggest you learn how to play your role they aren't getting no buff stop whining. If you wanna see what under powered truly means play Scout. ACTUALLY play it not put it on a few times and make up stories how you rush and own with it but than use Heavy in CBs (you know who you are I am sure)

Scouts are fine as is. Do you see how such input is worthless?

And I don't use a heavy actually, I stopped investing in after the STD suit once I noticed how worthless they were. I have my ore surviveability in a type-II assault then I do in a heavy suit. My opinion on proto heavies them comes from how easily I can take them down, they're only slightly harder to take down than STD heavies, 2 slots harder in fact.

If Proto Heavy got anymore than a buff it would take like 2-3 clips to kill one. Heavies are fine as is. They are Heavy NOT Tank.

Stop crying already.

Are you using standard gear? Douvolles would still be able to take them down in 1-2 clips.

Is a 3rd low slot and price cut too much to ask for?

Yea mowing down militia to basic fits, but put a PRO heavy against a PRO assault with 450-500 shields and the heavy will lose every single time, even with your love beam planted firmly in his ass. Not to mention the heavy spent 2 or 3x as much ISK. Sorry but in my opinion I shouldn't need a babysitter to successfully run an armor tanked heavy suit. Does a armor tank need a personal babysitter to keep their armor up?

You're argument for heavys being balanced is that they should have a babysitter at all times....really dude?

In a serious fight, I have logibros following me around in a LAV, and two more in my turrets. They all have axis repps. If it's Suyra vs. Suyra, I win.

you got proto scout suit which is beast, you got scrubz with dildo laser guns spraying up the skies like a **** club rave stripper show..

you got AR rifles that kill a heavy in seconds so where is the love for the good ol' heavies?!?! I saw another thread on here with the new suits that are coming and not one damn heavy suit :/ come on CCP we know yall love the scouts and Assualt class show love to the heavies

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