You mean over 800HP Armor....900-1000 if you go crazy with complex plates.

I've dreamed of active reppers for heavys for months now, but unless everyone can use it every assault suit and their dog will be bitching up a storm. In short, won't happen.

However repair modules that repair a percentage rather than a fixed amount would work. Or potentially armor repair rate bonuses per suit operation level would help.

have you never noticed that your charcter move more slowly when you get shot at by for example an AR? How could you miss that?

So much complaining guys, and I don't really get it.

Lets take Vortex, a HMG wielding fatty from SI. KDR well over 7 if I remember correctly.

So we end up in a game with a squad of SI on each team and he totally stomps us. We came 2-3 assault guys on him once and he mowed us all down. I wonder how many skillpoints many of you complaining guys actually have put into it.

When a good HMG starts to hit you, the "gets slowed down due to being shot at by enemy" effect is just insane. I have stood with my 675 HP proto assault build 2 meters from cover and not being able to make it cause a couple of thousands of bullets a minute slowed me enough down to kill me before making cover. This huge weapon related benefit is never talked about, why?

So I ask you, why is it that some fatties are dominating the battlefield, making all the AR tryhards get out of dodge, and some of you have a hard time doing anything by the sound of it?

Is Vortex such a beast to manage this setup properly, or is it just the rest of you that actually needs to step it up a noch?

(And I've got a fatty alt, 3 kdr with less than 1 M skillpoints and even with using the damn almost useless tactical AR)

I am running heavy all the time and the largest problem is the high isk price. I will drop quickly and not get many kills if I only go with militia Heavy suit and standard HMG. It works against others in militia suits but that's about it and reasonable fair. The price for my advanced heavy suit and proto HMG is 180k-240k isk which means one death and I will not earn any isk and two death it will be a loss.

You dont have to use the best of everything dude. Type 2, a pair of complex dmg mods, a H69-something HMG and some flux grenades. Cheep, Solid, and deadly.

more people crying because they dont relise a heavy is meant to have logi surport. the slow rep rate on armour reps is to try and encourage you to stay with your team. most heavyies i kill have decided they want to run around solo. if they stick with there team i have little chance to kill them.

instead of complaining think about how you are dieing and what you can change. welcome to new eden where you actully have to think.

Wow dude you have absolutely no concept of "beast". I came here expecting some viable information to help prove the already proven in that Heavies are under-powered when compared with other suits but choosing the Scout as a comparison was just silly.

Scouts are ridiculously under-powered and they don't give a lot of room for error. You have to be quick on the reaction time and have a fond understanding of the eb and flow of the battlefield as one mistake will wind up putting you in a CRU.

Go fight against some of the bigger corps with their Prototype Assault suits and Prototype Weapons stacked with 4x Complex Damage Mods/Shield Extenders, then come back and see what you think.

You dont have to use the best of everything dude. Type 2, a pair of complex dmg mods, a H69-something HMG and some flux grenades. Cheep, Solid, and deadly.

The issues with heavies are the cost to run it and the amount of sp to spec in. Also, with the upcoming build, will we see more players respec into the heavy class or heavies specializing out into other classes?

Exactly. Non-medium suits need some love. For scouts, I say make all their stats sans speed, stamina, and HP the same as an assault suit (PG/CPU and total slot count included), keep their HP low, and bring tgeir scan profile and precision down to 40. That way, it's balanced with the assault in that it's a lot more stealthier, can move and run faster for longer, but has very low HP.

I've got a 4.1 k/d at 4.8 mill SP so I'd say I'm a pretty decent heavy but that doesn't mean the class is well balanced with other suits.

And as sloth said if three of you attacking him at the same time couldn't bring him down then you're doing it wrong. Use one to make a frontal assault while the other two engage from his flanks and I guarantee you'd have downed him. 3 decent AR's firing on heavy WILL bring him down.

As far as this magical ability to slow you down from being fired upon I'd hardly call it confirmed. Dev statement or in game testing for proof or it's still just a theory. I too have an assault build and have never once experienced this in 2 months 16 days.

Finally my biggest gripe is that armor tanking a heavy suit is a death sentence, the B series is literally the only viable option and without any racial variants coming to the large frame the least they could do is tweak armor repair skill so we fat boys atleast have 2 options. That and the cost of good gear for a heavy.

And for the love of God, why would you put armor plates on a heavy? Isn't it slow enough already? You get about 930 HP with a type-ll suit with passive skills, why not use shield extenders instead? They give you less but they don't slow you down and it will increase the percentage of rapid resetting HP. And don't say "I need those slots for my damage mods" - then you dissqualify yourself from this discussion in my opinion, your scrubbiness is obvious and its clearly you and not the suit thats at a fault.

The thing is that sometimes a direct confontration can't be avoided. Its not like we normally have a problem fighting against heavies. Its just when you have a really good fatty with a chubby chaser behind him and AR guys at the flanks, its really hard to do much short of nade spam when we're in areas with lots of walls/boxes/general cover.

The ability that slows you down has been confirmed, I who remember how it was before it was implemented notice it all the time. It was also mentioned by the devs upon the release of that build. This goes for almost all the weapons, not sure about the lasers. In the early days (also much due to poor hit detection) a 1 vs 1 AR fight could last for minutes. Both players goes through several clips, when a guy gets damaged he simply went behind cover. The amount of time it took to down somone relative to the general HP recharge was off. They implemented this slow down effect and I hated it at first but I eventually got used to it. It makes it harder for me reach cover in time but it also makes it easier to kill others.

Under the assumption that all guns slow you down when hit, the HMG has a huge benefit since it often slows me down so much that I die even though I'm very close to cover.

And I'm not saying that this is the be it all of the fatties.

Personally I have over 8 miilion skillpoints solely dedicated to keeping me alive and putting others down with my AR. Can anyone with a similar degree of dedication to a certain role come here and tell me what its like with a fatty?

I'd also like to hear what kind of HMG sharpshooter level you have.

And for the love of God, why would you put armor plates on a heavy? Isn't it slow enough already? You get about 930 HP with a type-ll suit with passive skills, why not use shield extenders instead? They give you less but they don't slow you down and it will increase the percentage of rapid resetting HP. And don't say "I need those slots for my damage mods" - then you dissqualify yourself from this discussion in my opinion, your scrubbiness is obvious and its clearly you and not the suit thats at a fault.

And what is your heavy weapon upgrade skill at? I'm at 220 of 224 CPU on a Type II with two complex damage mods, an MH-82 and a weak sauce basic repper, no room for nades much less a SMG which with a 8 sec reload time can be risky. I thought about bringing up heavy weapon upgrade to 4 for another 7.2 CPU reduction on an MH-82 (barely room for locus nade) but that's 400k SP, may as well just spec up to B series and gain an extra low slot. Hell it's only about 35K more per suit.

The thing is that sometimes a direct confontration can't be avoided. Its not like we normally have a problem fighting against heavies. Its just when you have a really good fatty with a chubby chaser behind him and AR guys at the flanks, its really hard to do much short of nade spam when we're in areas with lots of walls/boxes/general cover.

The ability that slows you down has been confirmed, I who remember how it was before it was implemented notice it all the time. It was also mentioned by the devs upon the release of that build. This goes for almost all the weapons, not sure about the lasers. In the early days (also much due to poor hit detection) a 1 vs 1 AR fight could last for minutes. Both players goes through several clips, when a guy gets damaged he simply went behind cover. The amount of time it took to down somone relative to the general HP recharge was off. They implemented this slow down effect and I hated it at first but I eventually got used to it. It makes it harder for me reach cover in time but it also makes it easier to kill others.

Under the assumption that all guns slow you down when hit, the HMG has a huge benefit since it often slows me down so much that I die even though I'm very close to cover.

And I'm not saying that this is the be it all of the fatties.

Personally I have over 8 miilion skillpoints solely dedicated to keeping me alive and putting others down with my AR. Can anyone with a similar degree of dedication to a certain role come here and tell me what its like with a fatty?

I'd also like to hear what kind of HMG sharpshooter level you have.

And for the love of God, why would you put armor plates on a heavy? Isn't it slow enough already? You get about 930 HP with a type-ll suit with passive skills, why not use shield extenders instead? They give you less but they don't slow you down and it will increase the percentage of rapid resetting HP. And don't say "I need those slots for my damage mods" - then you dissqualify yourself from this discussion in my opinion, your scrubbiness is obvious and its clearly you and not the suit thats at a fault

Heavy suit is easy mode. Easiest suit in the game to use. Has the most Armor easily, a gun that slows enemies when shooting them. Never has to worry about running out of bullets. Can just hold down R1 easily. EASY MODE!

I kind of agree on this. There are ways to counter them but a smart and skilled heavy just has it too easy.

I think that on paper, the heavy was originally designed to be the ultimate AV class. That's why in earlier builds they had such an insane HP pool because they were supposed to be able to go to-to-toe with HAV. But with the HMG, heavies were also an overly effective anti-infantry class and became unbalanced.
Outside of something that's outright game breaking, I've been against nerfing and instead establishing an effective counter. Heavies should have kept their high HP, but been suspectable to AV. Imagine if swarm launchers, AV grenades and proximity mines were able to target them, but scaled down for the sake of balance. Heavies would still be the intended AV class, but be at the mercy of more weapons than any other infantry class while adding incentive for players to use AV. This could have been a better choice instead of what wound up happening.

IMO people just say this to make themselves feel better about not being successful in a 1v1 with a heavy....much like Basic fit assaults blaming the suit when they lose a 1v1 against a proto assault....

you got proto scout suit which is beast, you got scrubz with dildo laser guns spraying up the skies like a **** club rave stripper show..

you got AR rifles that kill a heavy in seconds so where is the love for the good ol' heavies?!?! I saw another thread on here with the new suits that are coming and not one damn heavy suit :/ come on CCP we know yall love the scouts and Assualt class show love to the heavies

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