Proto scout is beast? Wtf

I think you mean proto assault lol

you got proto scout suit which is beast, you got scrubz with dildo laser guns spraying up the skies like a fuckin club rave stripper show..

you got AR rifles that kill a heavy in seconds so where is the love for the good ol' heavies?!?! I saw another thread on here with the new suits that are coming and not one damn heavy suit :/ come on CCP we know yall love the scouts and Assualt class show love to the heavies

You guys cant expect to get the all the suits in one build

No, we expected balance in suit choice. Now it will be another 6 months until the next damn update before the heavy suits finally appear. What a crock. I am making an assumption, but until CCP gives us a solid list of what suits will be showing up in Uprising, it's all I've got.

I think that on paper, the heavy was originally designed to be the ultimate AV class. That's why in earlier builds they had such an insane HP pool because they were supposed to be able to go to-to-toe with HAV. But with the HMG, heavies were also an overly effective anti-infantry class and became unbalanced.
Outside of something that's outright game breaking, I've been against nerfing and instead establishing an effective counter. Heavies should have kept their high HP, but been suspectable to AV. Imagine if swarm launchers, AV grenades and proximity mines were able to target them, but scaled down for the sake of balance. Heavies would still be the intended AV class, but be at the mercy of more weapons than any other infantry class while adding incentive for players to use AV. This could have been a better choice instead of what wound up happening.

I think that on paper, the heavy was originally designed to be the ultimate AV class. That's why in earlier builds they had such an insane HP pool because they were supposed to be able to go to-to-toe with HAV. But with the HMG, heavies were also an overly effective anti-infantry class and became unbalanced.
Outside of something that's outright game breaking, I've been against nerfing and instead establishing an effective counter. Heavies should have kept their high HP, but been suspectable to AV. Imagine if swarm launchers, AV grenades and proximity mines were able to target them, but scaled down for the sake of balance. Heavies would still be the intended AV class, but be at the mercy of more weapons than any other infantry class while adding incentive for players to use AV. This could have been a better choice instead of what wound up happening.

that sounds like something that requores coding, and CCP is lazy as hell.

"the heavy is unbalanced, here, i have a great way to fix it"

"naw, far easier to just reduce all their stats and make them useless, AND that will make the assault suit guys love us, we're doing that"

I don't think the plasma cannon going to be an effective counter for heavies its a one shot mass driver meant for tanks with a charge pre-requisite, if you cant down the idiot in the time he lets it go that charge you deserve to die just as much to a forge gunner.

and I agree with the statement about the scouts, out of all suits they're the most frustrating as a simple mistake does get you killed, and further more the game itself does account for a larger number of scout deaths than any other class.

If I was a heavy, I'd be more worried about the Flaylock.

At least you guys get sentinel suits.

I don't think the plasma cannon going to be an effective counter for heavies its a one shot mass driver meant for tanks with a charge pre-requisite, if you cant down the idiot in the time he lets it go that charge you deserve to die just as much to a forge gunner.

and I agree with the statement about the scouts, out of all suits they're the most frustrating as a simple mistake does get you killed, and further more the game itself does account for a larger number of scout deaths than any other class.

If I was a heavy, I'd be more worried about the Flaylock.

At least you guys get sentinel suits.

Heavies are already at the mercy of everything in the game. Add plasma cannons to the heavy killer list.

- I genuinely want to laugh at the whole thing tbh

Funny, when I play with heavies, they never seem to have trouble mowing people down and averaging 20+ kills a match. When I'm around, they get access to a full resupply on demand, tons of heals from my love beam, revived with 50% armor, cooked flux grenades thrown at the enemy so they can kill even faster, and covering fire from a mass driver.

pub games... lol

Not really a place where you would balance weapons / classes / vehicles.

Funny, when I play with heavies, they never seem to have trouble mowing people down and averaging 20+ kills a match. When I'm around, they get access to a full resupply on demand, tons of heals from my love beam, revived with 50% armor, cooked flux grenades thrown at the enemy so they can kill even faster, and covering fire from a mass driver.

Yea mowing down militia to basic fits, but put a PRO heavy against a PRO assault with 450-500 shields and the heavy will lose every single time, even with your love beam planted firmly in his ass. Not to mention the heavy spent 2 or 3x as much ISK. Sorry but in my opinion I shouldn't need a babysitter to successfully run an armor tanked heavy suit. Does a armor tank need a personal babysitter to keep their armor up?

You're argument for heavys being balanced is that they should have a babysitter at all times....really dude?

#8 Posted: 2013.04.22 05:15 | Report | by: Cosgar
I think that on paper, the heavy was originally designed to be the ultimate AV class. That's why in earlier builds they had such an insane HP pool because they were supposed to be able to go to-to-toe with HAV. But with the HMG, heavies were also an overly effective anti-infantry class and became unbalanced.
Outside of something that's outright game breaking, I've been against nerfing and instead establishing an effective counter. Heavies should have kept their high HP, but been suspectable to AV. Imagine if swarm launchers, AV grenades and proximity mines were able to target them, but scaled down for the sake of balance. Heavies would still be the intended AV class, but be at the mercy of more weapons than any other infantry class while adding incentive for players to use AV. This could have been a better choice instead of what wound up happening.

this sums it up perfectly.

instead of a passive armor repper, how bout an active that for oh say 5 cycles, it reps 50 HP per cycle?

(we have with maxed passive skills near 700 armor HP any less would be ********)

I saw that post, I then posted an idea to bring heavys to a state somewhat resembling balanced and rather than comment on or critique the idea you essentially respond with "Its fine as is, roll with a good logi like me".

So much complaining guys, and I don't really get it.

Lets take Vortex, a HMG wielding fatty from SI. KDR well over 7 if I remember correctly.

So we end up in a game with a squad of SI on each team and he totally stomps us. We came 2-3 assault guys on him once and he mowed us all down. I wonder how many skillpoints many of you complaining guys actually have put into it.

When a good HMG starts to hit you, the "gets slowed down due to being shot at by enemy" effect is just insane. I have stood with my 675 HP proto assault build 2 meters from cover and not being able to make it cause a couple of thousands of bullets a minute slowed me enough down to kill me before making cover. This huge weapon related benefit is never talked about, why?

So I ask you, why is it that some fatties are dominating the battlefield, making all the AR tryhards get out of dodge, and some of you have a hard time doing anything by the sound of it?

Is Vortex such a beast to manage this setup properly, or is it just the rest of you that actually needs to step it up a noch?

(And I've got a fatty alt, 3 kdr with less than 1 M skillpoints and even with using the damn almost useless tactical AR)

you got proto scout suit which is beast, you got scrubz with dildo laser guns spraying up the skies like a fuckin club rave stripper show..

you got AR rifles that kill a heavy in seconds so where is the love for the good ol' heavies?!?! I saw another thread on here with the new suits that are coming and not one damn heavy suit :/ come on CCP we know yall love the scouts and Assualt class show love to the heavies

Because having a few really good players means that the class isn't gimped?

I've also never heard of this "slowing down effect".

But if he took out 3 assault guys, then it's probably you guys who were doing something wrong. I don't care how good he is, he should not have been able to mow you down like that on his own, unless you all came at him in a straight line in CQC

The question is really, what makes the good heavies good, and the bad heavies bad? And furthermore, is complaining about the suit the right way to go? How about speccing into sharpshooter instead....

And If you've never heard off or experienced the slowing down effect then you must have been playing another game man. They implemented it in the third beta buid (might be incoorect), have you never noticed that your charcter move more slowly when you get shot at by for example an AR? How could you miss that?