I'm pretty sure there are dedicated heavies that know how to skill and fit their class perfectly. That doesn't change the fact that the proto heavy is lame.

There are basically no problems at all with the standard and advanced heavies, but the proto offers no improvement to be honest (not even looking at the price). 2 low slots is **** and I really wonder why it's been 5+ months with no word from CCP on this matter.

Agreed.

I see the problem that if you continued the trend to proto heavies... you'd get some absolute monster with 1200+hp, a never ending cone of insta death, and the most sexy thing on 2 servo powered legs... you cant have everything

What's the problem with that? Everyone knows the proto heavy is unbalanced at the moment.

Also for the record you can have a proto heavy with 1200+ health already.

heavy is junk... super UP sauce that gets melted by militia scrubs all the time ;)

my biggest concern is when they get rid of the ability to increase effective range (as Ive been reading)

this is what separates the better heavies from the pack imo as they can actually hit the AR at range and at the least make them relocate.

this is the toughest part of being a heavy is getting smashed from a distance where you cant do anything except attempt to move our chunky butts to cover...

armor rep is a joke, you cant even make a good rep suit without sacrificing way too much due to cpu constraints.

sure the proto suit is fun, but in no way cost effective nor significantly better than a B series

1 extra slot and enough CPU to add a dmg mod IF you don't equip the specialist proto hmgs.

basically any 'god mode' HMG setup will require a CPU chip, leaving 1 slot for rep/plates etc.

Seems like you haven't really experimented with the fittings. Please, have a seat over here.

In the next build, armor rep modules get a 5% bonus per each skill level. Vk. 0 will then rep 12.5 AHP if you have 2 complex reps (don't worry about not being able to use a proto HMG over ADV, range and damage BARELY increases). Armor heavy is good against the army of AR users and the rep is constant. Once the HMG has no sharpshooter then just go AR or Assault HMG and kill everything (I have 200 Officer ARs and 150 Officer Pistols waiting to be used).

Heavy vk.1 can be given a ADV/PRO speed mod + Complex rep... but everyone loves the reckless DPS right? -_-
Add damage mods everywhere then, your shields will usually leave the armor untouched.

all i can say is ROLE BONUSES

in uprising all suits will have race spesific bonuses not sure if its going to be 1 bonus or 2 im an eve player most of the ships there have 2 bonuses most ships its 1 offensive and 1 defensive bonus

so that heavy suit ur chuntering on about might have a 10% bonus to armor per lvl on the heavy dropsuit skill (gussing here)
so ur heavy suit with a base HP of 600 will have a base hp of 900 with heavy dropsuit lvl 5 thats 50% more hp b4 u add plates etc
or it could have a 5-10% to armor repair per lvl add this in with the bonus on the armor repair skill (thats being altered in uprising ) ur going to have some sweet local rep

on top of the defensive bonus the suit may have a DMG bonus to HMG or forge at say 5% per lvl

im just guessing and speculating

i read there not adding heavy suits for the other races but whos to know they probly forgot to add it to the dev blog (guessing here too)

i can see a sweet minmatar heavy suit with a nice shield bonus and HMG damage bonus

the proto heavy is lame.

There are basically no problems at all with the standard and advanced heavies, but the proto offers no improvement to be honest (not even looking at the price). 2 low slots is **** and I really wonder why it's been 5+ months with no word from CCP on this matter.

I disagree. I think that the games design is skewed in favor of the heavies. Maybe too much so if the heavy gear did not cost so much. I think the heavy movement penalty is not balanced in respect to the scout's 'bonus'. I'll try to explain...

Using vk1 suits as models lets examine the following statistics with the key as follows: movement speed(ms); sprint speed(ss); sprint duration(sd); stamina(st); stamina recovery rate(rr). Lets also assume that assault suits movement statistics are SUPPOSED to be the average or mean. Armor ratings listed next to suit type.

Scout 135
ms - 5.5 m/s
ss - 7.7 m/s
sd - 18.5 s
st - 185.2
rr - 18 /s

Assault 105
ms - 5
ss - 7
sd - 15
st - 150
rr - 15

Heavy 422
ms - 3.9
ss - 5.5
sd - 12.6
st - 126
rr - 12

Armor ratings apparently have nothing to do with movement speed unless you account for equipment and mod slots in which case, EACH PIECE of equipment should come with its own respective movement penalty.

Now lets put the MS and SS into perspective. The easiest way to do that is to ask, how far can each suit travel (unmodified) in 100 seconds? Scouts 550 and 770 meters, Assault 500 and 700 meters, and Heavy 390 and 550 meters.

Basically.

Bendtner92 is right....
I refuse to believe that CCP thinks the proto heavy is balanced. It's UP and OP (underpowered and overpriced).

I made the mistake of being quiet when Heavies were being nerfed the first time around.

I'm not going to keep quiet and allow things to keep going as they are without even trying to get these guys some long overdue rebalancing.

"First they came for the Heavies, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Heavy..."

Actually people just say this because its true. People medicate to make themselves feel better.

The 1v1 matchup with the heavy depends on several variables just like any 1v1 matchup. Distance, Weapon, Armor, Shields, and whether or not the target sees one coming, etc. It is unfortunate for many to be caught in the heavy's range and crosshairs but it is not at all impossible to overcome.

Bullet slowing effect is just like snipers not having to lead moving targets and they also get gifted kills on runners and jumpers. If bullet slowing is not an unfair advantage, then lets make all bullets slow the target. SMG slows you down when its in your face and spraying everywhere.

If its not some kind of 'EASY' mode, then its definitely some kind of LAZY mode.

I think that on paper, the heavy was originally designed to be the ultimate AV class. That's why in earlier builds they had such an insane HP pool because they were supposed to be able to go to-to-toe with HAV. But with the HMG, heavies were also an overly effective anti-infantry class and became unbalanced.
Outside of something that's outright game breaking, I've been against nerfing and instead establishing an effective counter. Heavies should have kept their high HP, but been suspectable to AV. Imagine if swarm launchers, AV grenades and proximity mines were able to target them, but scaled down for the sake of balance. Heavies would still be the intended AV class, but be at the mercy of more weapons than any other infantry class while adding incentive for players to use AV. This could have been a better choice instead of what wound up happening.

Obviously you have not seen Sponglyboy Squaredoo running a boundless HMG with around 900 EHP and a damage mod or two.

heavy is junk... super UP sauce that gets melted by militia scrubs all the time ;)

my biggest concern is when they get rid of the ability to increase effective range (as Ive been reading)

this is what separates the better heavies from the pack imo as they can actually hit the AR at range and at the least make them relocate.

this is the toughest part of being a heavy is getting smashed from a distance where you cant do anything except attempt to move our chunky butts to cover...

armor rep is a joke, you cant even make a good rep suit without sacrificing way too much due to cpu constraints.

sure the proto suit is fun, but in no way cost effective nor significantly better than a B series

1 extra slot and enough CPU to add a dmg mod IF you don't equip the specialist proto hmgs.

basically any 'god mode' HMG setup will require a CPU chip, leaving 1 slot for rep/plates etc.

Heavies don't wanna be reminded that they are easy mode. They like to think it's the most under powered suit in the game to make themselves feel better when they are getting owned. It's bad if you're a heavy and your still getting killed all day. It's supposed to be the "UP suit the weak suit" Than why da **** is there 4-6 Heavies in EVERY single game? Is it all you players like challenges and continue to use the weakest suit in the game? Why is it when you run up on somebody and he's camping a supply depot he will run and switch to the weakest suit in game (Heavy) Let's be real here Heavy is the easiest suit to use when used right. Not my fault you fatty bums don't wanna hear that.

Thread = TL;DR

CCP, please show the Heavies some TLC.

Heavies really have it bad... I haven't seen a single Heavy that isn't suffering. From new heavies, all the way to the good and popular guys.

Yeah, the HMG could use some tweaking... but the Sharpshooter skill screwed up EVERYONE'S balance didn't it?

Give them some suits. Make them more tanky. I want to see these guys be Kings again.

Heavies don't wanna be reminded that they are easy mode. They like to think it's the most under powered suit in the game to make themselves feel better when they are getting owned. It's bad if you're a heavy and your still getting killed all day. It's supposed to be the "UP suit the weak suit" Than why da **** is there 4-6 Heavies in EVERY single game? Is it all you players like challenges and continue to use the weakest suit in the game? Why is it when you run up on somebody and he's camping a supply depot he will run and switch to the weakest suit in game (Heavy) Let's be real here Heavy is the easiest suit to use when used right. Not my fault you fatty bums don't wanna hear that.

Yes, at the beginning of Open Beta STD level heavies were somewhat of an "EZ" mode, just hold down R1 and watch as everything around you dies, although that probably had more to do with nobody knowing how to fight them. It was very beginner friendly.

At ADV level things are more fairly balanced, but some heavies got a bit too complacent. The advantages they had no longer seemed all that great, and that separated the good heavies from the "scrubs", the good ones found a way to adapt, while the bad ones just QQed.

However, at the prototype level, the heavy suit just sucks. It costs way too much and all they gain is 1 highslot. So they can either add 1 more damage mod or 1 more shield extender. If they go with the shield extender, that's 66 more health, or about 2 AR bullets, however their poor mobility and bigger hit box means that those bullets are pretty much guaranteed to hit anyway. On a an assault suit the ability to take 2 extra shots makes a big difference, on a heavy it's worthless.

So yeah, heavies do start off a bit too good, but their poor progression makes them under powered at prototype levels. There are of course people who manage to do well despite that disadvantage, but that doesn't mean the proto suit doesn't need to be looked at.

And about being "easiest to use", well yeah, the suit is basically designed to camp, what else is it supposed to do?

Edit: Anyway... I thought this thread was about heavies not getting new suits next update, not about them being UP?

TL:DR

The issue I see is that number of slots is not even among classes, espeicaly at proto level

assult 4/4

logi 4/4

scout 4/4

heavy..... lacking


Over all they should stick to the formula of 8 slots for proto, make the suits and races different by which slots they get more of, low or high.

Having mods increase HP based off the base amount will defiantly help, but equal slots will add to this as well.

If Proto Heavy got anymore than a buff it would take like 2-3 clips to kill one.

Heavies are fine as is

They are Heavy NOT Tank.