Who are you?

as long as you keep feeding us information.
I live with that.

I have to be careful what I feed out. I have to source everything from now on.

I can no longer predicatively guess or actively go out and find things anymore.

aww...
There goes the fun.

BTW are you going to get you own forum tag?

I dunno. Dust 514's webteam is a bit behind from Eve's own.

I believe it is clear what your first order of business must be: introducing weapons that shoot bacon and kittens respectively, obviously bacon takes priority however.

Who are you?

I have to be careful what I feed out. I have to source everything from now on.

I can no longer predicatively guess or actively go out and find things anymore.

because people will say you got it from CCP? or CCP will acuse you of leaking stuff?


*between a rock and a forge gun*

I officially support cpm0 because ccp didn't pick idiots. Please dont prove me wrong

I really did not want to be "that guy", but since you are in quality of representation of the CPM, I believe you need to avoid spelling and grammar mistakes.

The word "bi-standards", though a correctly spelled compound word, is not the one that you wanted to use. Instead, the word you were trying to use was "bystander".

Bad show, Iron Wolf Saber... bad show....

That aside, you really need to get one of the forum monkeys to make one darn RP forum. To think such a thing would be so difficult to accomplish... ugh.

Congratulations Ironwolf. If there was a man better then me for the position - it would be you or Kane.

Does being on the council give you any special in game perks? Like special scanner mod that actually works? :)

I really did not want to be "that guy", but since you are in quality of representation of the CPM, I believe you need to avoid spelling and grammar mistakes.

The word "bi-standards", though a correctly spelled compound word, is not the one that you wanted to use. Instead, the word you were trying to use was "bystander".

Bad show, Iron Wolf Saber... bad show....

That aside, you really need to get one of the forum monkeys to make one darn RP forum. To think such a thing would be so difficult to accomplish... ugh.

I hope you are trolling and not Sirius (see what I did there?)

I would rather iron wolf spend his time engaging the community rather than grammer checking his device's spell checker.

Yup and I cannot use hersay sources either. It has to be either a CCP tweet, post, irc line (public) blog. This also is going to stop me from most likely asking quite a few questions on IRC as well as I am sure the more preferred secure channels would be used instead.

One recent example the crashed titan event. I would not have been allowed to say anything about it when it leaked early on accident during that one hour test phase that go onto our servers somehow. The most I could do is report it and PM the devs that cats out of the bag time to employ Damage Control Ninjas.

I officially support cpm0 because ccp didn't pick idiots. Please dont prove me wrong

I get absolutely nothing but a gold star on my avatar picture and tonns of free dust mail.

Kiso has a point I can't afford a bad grammar mistake leading to offense of many, also words I spew out will be translated to other languages.

WHAT!?!?!

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This post just shows why you're the most inadequate candidate that CCP selected. The 20 paragraphs of "I'mma try to do my job" somehow wasn't very interesting.

I am quite serious about that, there are people who love this game just as much as you and I do but they're not native English. I at least browse though with google translate once a week.

Would a steel toe boot up your posterior suffice then?

Please push for them to take more risks during the beta period.

I hope people like you can help keep this game from going too simple and CoD like, and keep it rich and complex as some of us want. We want the rabbit hole to go deep.

Push for opening item trades and any kind of ISK transfers. These are some of the things that the community have come to New Eden for.

I am quite serious about that, there are people who love this game just as much as you and I do but they're not native English. I at least browse though with google translate once a week.

and i have looked at the non-english forums and they're petifully small, so assumed CCP's main audience was english speaking countries (presumptious? yes incorrect? no)

Would a steel toe boot up your posterior suffice then?

So here we are, a selected War Council, Hand Picked by CCP, without your vote, without your consent

CCP could sit there and argue why or who they picked and some people are going to be either rolling their eyes in disregard or foaming at the mouth mad blathering incoherent streams of hate and ire for months on end. Some are going to remember I was part of the Council of Planetary Management formed up of player interests and no official sanctioning or interference and are going to continue to knife me with that. Some will continue to hate me for it or think somehow that being in IRC and the CPM has had a special privilege in my selection. There are those who are simply going to hate me because they don't understand my relationship inside the Betamax corp.

I don't think I should be going into details but I think the community needs to know that when CCP contacted me for the CPM they pointed out the dedication in keeping people informed and helping them along in the beta on the forums alone was why they tapped me, not the fake CPM, not the IRC chatter, and certainly not the artwork or roleplay. When the announcement blog of the WC was going to form, quite a a few of you 'voted' for me in the replies and even outside Dust 514 I picked up mutterings of me being likely on the council. So whatever I was doing it was enough for me to say 'Yes' when CCP asked, and from there I worked my posterior off to make up for the week of college I will be missing for this year's Fanfest.

Either way the CPM is seated and the favorite pub stomper isn't and there isn't much anyone can change about that for now.

What is done however is done. This leaves the community on what has to get done next

As a CPM member I have to take on the roles found similarly to the Eve Council of Stellar Management. While I don't know entirely all those roles are yet, the meeting at 2013 Fanfest will help with this and I thank Hans for sitting in to help with the transition and founder issues. It is going to be work. Its not going to be fun and games. It is a serious position to which I have to thank the player CPM for help train me a bit in and the community's vote of confidence.

"Either lead, follow or get the hell out of the way!"
-Ted Turner

CCP's 2013 next decade discussion talks about instigators, followers and bystanders. Not everyone can be an instigator, I can see why, its quite a bit of work to find that special flame to breathe into an inferno. Then there are followers, they see that flame and follow it. Then the by-standards... the guys that don't pay attention.

I am more of a follower myself, not because I want to bask in the glory of that pyre but to see other people do so. I like observing, planning, and seeing things work and flow. If battlefield commander role was on dust 514, you just got yourself a general. None the less I would love to see this game grow, evolve, and start putting other titles to shame as they seek out their next sequels while Dust will never get its own sequel for it will never be needed.

I will not be changing much other than my ability to 'speculate' will be severely restricted. Also any progress that is covered by the NDA will be maddeningly annoying me as I have to keep muzzled on the best juicy bits until CCP says it on the IRC or blog and I will have to start quoting directly from now on it would seem. This may also seem I have to hand my sources over too :(

I will still continue to trawl though the threads every day, looking for a pattern in complaints, verifying with independent data, research and interviews and present them to CCP. I will still continue to play the game when time allows for it, I will still help out in responses when possible. Because not only do I like this game I have the best aspirations for it.

I want this game to turn into the sandbox shooter it deserves to be.
I want more sand, more tools in that sandbox I want to see other players making sandcastles and kicking them down.
Then seeing clever players putting landmines in those sandcastles.
I want to see that box removed one day, I want to give you guys the whole beach, and hell while we are at it the ocean too.

My idea's of Dust 514's growth and expansion is probably just as crazy or nearly competing with CCP's own 10 years of planning. I have a pretty good idea which features are foundations and which are just decorations. While I feel that all 10 years worth of features are important, I know that CCP are only human and they can only generate content so fast. The features picked today have to be carefully weighed against the future.

I would like for you players to enjoy the game as much as possible as well, make it inviting to come back time after time even when the latest shine of the latest Call of Zombies wears off, New Eden will still be here waiting for you to come back. Maybe one day you realize Dust 514 has ruined all other shooters for you.

I may be mean in my responses but only because I have either over heard it or believe you didn't think it out enough, but make no mistake I am still always listening, considerate, and compromising. As long as you have enough respect for yourself to present your idea in a sound and clear conscious I will give you my respect for it.

In the next weeks the issues will continue to be pressed forward and CCP will be doing most of the steering, but I will still listen and still chip in when possible based on what I read from you guys on the forums and on the field.

We will finish this game Together.

Hunt Well,

Iron Wolf Saber,
<^`-'^>

Please push for them to take more risks during the beta period.

I hope people like you can help keep this game from going too simple and CoD like, and keep it rich and complex as some of us want. We want the rabbit hole to go deep.

Push for opening item trades and any kind of ISK transfers. These are some of the things that the community have come to New Eden for.

No respect for someone who has more likes on the forums then kills in the game

Congratulations, Iron Wolf. When I saw the line up for CPM 0 I thought it totally made sense. I'm glad to see that CCP decided to move forward with the Council sooner rather than later. If there is anything you guys need help with feel free to ask.

~~ Reav

Yep, this is exactly what I was subtly implying. (And what charlesnette dalari seemed to have missed. Too subtle?) One bad auto-correct or grammatically incorrect sentence, and he'll be a walking meme, and he might get trolled or "bullied" about it. A mistranslation will change the meaning of his post because of one word (or two) not being there or incorrectly misplaced.

"Presentation" is a keyword on "representation". And the better you present yourself and what you represent, the clearer the message will be, and the easier it will be for others to not misunderstand.

CCP has failed at this many times, and they have gotten a lot of 'blasting' for it. Let's not add one more person to that group.

I missed nothing and quite frankly your initial post was rude in your attempt to be subtle as you put it. If your true intention was to be helpful to iron wolf you sure didn't sound like it in your first post. You actually sounded like the troll or bully you are saying you are trying to warn him of.

You are quite right about presentation and you failed in presenting your first post as trying to be helpful since I took it completely differently and without your second post I am sure I wouldnt be the only one since it was condescending in nature.

I have to be careful what I feed out. I have to source everything from now on.

I can no longer predicatively guess or actively go out and find things anymore.

What are your opinions on how the CPM should be structured moving forward. Is a representative body even necessary in today's age of ubiquitous instant communication? What benefit do you provide to making my interests known to CCP?

I am with Nova Knife on getting the CPM to be able to self police on people doing work and the sorts instead of getting free rides in the group.

For structure, I would like to bring up the ambassador topic up, and maybe set up regular meetings with the CSM as well to at least exchange glances or ask each other questions. The only thing I would like the ambassador to do is to be flown to the other group's meeting with the devs. This would make appointing a chairman and secretary and or whatever other seat needed on the council less stressful on the few who may only be good enough to just be a CPM and can't get that little bit more. After all its one universe two countries.

I would like to see a reasonable number of representatives, I do not think we need 14 members yet but 5 seems too few, maybe 7 should be enough coverage for a while with a few more on standby.

As for voting I have to see what CCP is capable of providing or tracking to determine who gets to vote or not. Just right now I cannot formulate anything fair at the moment but after observing the current eve online election I am not going with that system at all.

Why do you assume the customers need a body like the CSM between themselves and the company? What benefit does a democratic representative provide that a direct line of communication could not?

In other words, why are you envisioning the CPM would be anything like the CSM at all?

Because of human nature. Looking at real world elections and the virtual ones its quite common that undeserving people get elected all the time.

As for the CSM I am concerned about eve customers and dust 514 customers, I dont want things to kill either game because of the ohter game.

Why do you assume the customers need a body like the CSM between themselves and the company? What benefit does a democratic representative provide that a direct line of communication could not?

In other words, why are you envisioning the CPM would be anything like the CSM at all?

Because CCP want the CPM and the CSM. It does improve communication Noc.

It's been seen time and time again, the issue is getting the right people on the CPM in the first place.

IronWolf, Can you get a thread set up and pinned to discuss the topic of the vote etc that all the CPM keep on top of?

I don't want to have this conversation in this thread and Novas, seems pointless.

The issue is you are consolidating what should be open feedback into a seat of power, for all intents of purposes. Democracy does not play kindly with this situation (popularity contests), nor does appointment (favoritism). Since CCP is doing something entirely new, it would be nice if we built off of these lessons instead of repeat them.

Sorry for missing the question. I do that on purpose.

CPM isn't about ideas, its a tuning fork. Ideas are heard all the time, CCP has hundreds of them as well and its going to be the This and all future CPMs job to help sort which ideas would be viable or not to implement and importance of higher level ideas that need to be implemented.

Its less about what you want the CPM to do and more what you want CCP to do.

That's what having multiple members in the council is for. Each member acts as a check and balance against the other member.

So again, I ask, why is one person, be it you, or me, or anybody, representing the playerbase at large, a good system for helping develop a shooter? Moreover, why is it the most effective?

The issue is you are consolidating what should be open feedback into a seat of power, for all intents of purposes. Democracy does not play kindly with this situation (popularity contests), nor does appointment (favoritism). Since CCP is doing something entirely new, it would be nice if we built off of these lessons instead of repeat them.

Scenario:

Man falls of second floor and is unconcious, a crowd forms up but none of them do something.
A man trained in CPR rushes in orders one person, and ONLY one person to go call 911.
A call is made. Man is saved.

vs

Man falls of second floor and is unconcious, a crowd forms up but none of them do something.
Someone in the crowd suggest we should try to call for help. Nobody does anthing.
Nobody calls. Man dies.

I agree with your points, but there's no better alternative

Again, missing the point. You want the 7 people to make the calls for potentially millions. That's impossible. Just look at how dandy a job the US does at those ratios. We need a system for getting good ideas disseminated, discussed, and then refined at which point CCP knows exactly what the community wants on a point by point. I will flat out say I hate democracy because it is tyranny of the majority. I am open about my bias. Now how do you plan to address my concerns?

Actually it is the point. Because no matter how large that crowd they're still going to stand around the guy who fell from two floors up.

But you are suggesting we make that guy who performed CPR the designated doctor. Just because he knows CPR and is competent enough to save lives with it under an emergency doesn't mean you ask them to perform surgery. Even with this stretched analogy, we are talking about two different beasts.

No, not at all let me ask you this how many doctors for one man is considerably a massive waste of resources? 100? 200? 4000?

It's not a fixed number. Some problems can be solved by a boy scout, some require a team of specialists and all their support staff. I think it is unreasonable to break something as broad and deep as an FPSMMO into a fixed opinion base for any length of time.

So admit desires to see a term limitation?

Again, missing the point. You want the 7 people to make the calls for potentially millions. That's impossible. Just look at how dandy a job the US does at those ratios. We need a system for getting good ideas disseminated, discussed, and then refined at which point CCP knows exactly what the community wants on a point by point. I will flat out say I hate democracy because it is tyranny of the majority. I am open about my bias. Now how do you plan to address my concerns?

Noc... I think the point of the CPM is to condense the ideas of a thousand opinions into smaller ideas.

Well if Noc wants robots to run the CPM he can go vote for one.

Honestly, CPM should have been voted. It would of at least added some legitimacy.

Hand picked councils has never sat well with me.

No respect for someone who has more likes on the forums then kills in the game

Honestly, CPM should have been voted. It would of at least added some legitimacy.

Hand picked councils has never sat well with me.

So you are on record as dismissing anything besides a continuation of the system that has gifted you power over your peers?

Noted.

So you are on record as dismissing anything besides a continuation of the system that has gifted you power over your peers?

Noted.

Yes, let's do that. Since we can all create as many PSN accounts as we have email addresses, it should turn out about as well as the campaign to "Dub the Dew!"

I vote for Diabeetus.

No I am on the record to regard your statements as unhelpful and poisonous to the community and I have further proven that no matter what I have answered your quest of ruination. You would have contorted and twisted to your own ruined version of the community because honestly your opinion of the entire community has been extraordinarily removed for the last few months because of a mostly ignored personal crusade you been championing for to well... unhelpful ends. Whole reason why I decided to play the game a bit to string you out further.

Branded.

BTW if you weren't so blind in contempt you'd know that my seating is by no means permanent.

Obviously not. Nonetheless, this council really holds no legitimacy. About half the council members hardly ever play. Furthermore, Ironwolfs self-induced smugness only further confirms my doubts.

So according to you the top 10 players should be part of council then? People who call you a scrub every day Regnum?

You vilify my genuine concern. And then you filter it out. And then you accuse me of being against the community for DARING to question CCP? You were one of my preferred candidates and now you have me extremely worried.

Obviously not. Nonetheless, this council really holds no legitimacy. About half the council members hardly ever play. Furthermore, Ironwolfs self-induced smugness only further confirms my doubts.

The best players tend to know the mechanics at the deepest levels. It makes at least as much sense as electing them.

The best players tend to know the mechanics at the deepest levels. It makes at least as much sense as electing them.

Well, CPM was hand picked so that they could, as one of their main tasks, figure out how we go about picking the more in your words "legitimate" CPM of the future.

One vote per PSN id will never work because any player can have unlimited PSN ids. So that sort of system is vulnerable to the kind of manipulation 4 Chan used to make the "Dub the Dew" campaign such a memorable success.

Question remains, if a vote confers legitimacy, how do we vote for the CPM?

So according to you the top 10 players should be part of council then? People who call you a scrub every day Regnum?

Check and mate well played noc +1

Can we please just stop with the leading statements.

Anyways, I really don't think you want hear my personal requirements.

However, what I expect from CPM is people who have dedication and commitment to the game.

Lastly, ReGnUM and scrub in the same sentence is a English error.

Its only a checkmate when one side stalls, but since you want to get involved explain to me why the top player of Dust 514 would want to help you? The same guy likely to call you a blueberry and not a team player?

Because you have set up the entire conversation with an ulterior motive Noc, there is no reason why you couldn't ask a straight question. You give me crooked questions I will play with vague answers.

Un-true look at aldin khan.... since the first few builds I have watched him play with literally every dropsuite and weapon and vehicle. Their should be one representetive from each "class" and vehicle class to support and provide info to CCP about said class or vehicle.

I am a proponent of negative method of debate. That's not an ulterior motive, that is simple preferences.

Well don't blame me if I don't understand your rules on that side of the board.

I am a Japanese after all, takes a hammer sometimes to get to the point if you go all flowery with words.

Well then, to that definition and to your earlier question combined.

I know whatever hell system I help come up with, is going to be abused no matter what by future CPM. I will purposely look for flaws in systems when they're presented and bring them to light. After all i love tearing things apart. None the less it won't be perfect, it will never be perfect, and no matter what I do, it cannot be perfect.

All I can hope for is to move the entire process to a more prefect representation, to make it known perfection will always be out of reach.

I know the above statement sounds like alot of BS, but honestly until I get more information from CCP I have no idea how to make a good voter system without it.

But you are saying you are strongly predisposed to a system that is fundamentally a representative democracy? That is the foundation that you moor your opinion on?

A lottery system cant work most of the lottery results will be a negative as most people wont have passports or other minimal requirements.

A heir system wouldn't be useful either it would lead to too many ass kissers.

Communism ( I guess current system) would be great but as you can see with Regnum many many others they're going to continue to feel disenfranchised because the people who got picked are CCP kissers.

Autocracity wouldn't work either you'd have to many ego heads.

Democracy or a Republic are the only options I see feasible in giving you guys a voice, the ability to get rid of useless people, and ensure quality of CPM members that do get seated.

A lottery system cant work most of the lottery results will be a negative as most people wont have passports or other minimal requirements.

A heir system wouldn't be useful either it would lead to too many ass kissers.

Communism ( I guess current system) would be great but as you can see with Regnum many many others they're going to continue to feel disenfranchised because the people who got picked are CCP kissers.

Autocracity wouldn't work either you'd have to many ego heads.

Democracy or a Republic are the only options I see feasible in giving you guys a voice, the ability to get rid of useless people, and ensure quality of CPM members that do get seated.

Crowd sourcing as pointed out by Noc is a viable solution as well. But it's not perfect either because what they gain in shared public knowledge and ideas, they lose out in time spent trying to resolve things. This loss of time will be detrimental to the development of a console or PC game.

Technocracy is a form of autocracy as well cept smarter people.

Crowd Sourcing would be a good advisory board for the CPM though and that's where it can work.

I have to say that crowd-sourced as the CPM would be a bad idea overall due to the nature of CPMs requirement to know things on business level involving CCP, stuff that rival companies could steal and take advantage of especially if they have larger development teams. Discussions with Hans has proven that much so far and crowd-sourcing would lead to too many leaks.

I forgot about this.

Considering that CCP's key rivals in the MMO industry is Blizzard and BioWare and its rivals in the FPS industry will be EA and many others, this will play an important factor as trust is key to the development of a game. Remember, CCP will be sharing information with the members that is considered confidential and therefore we have to make sure that the members are morally sound in the minds in respecting that trust.

@Iron Wolf

Surprisingly, I never heard about that. What happened?

Okay the story is a bit old but here goes.

back when CCP was first starting and recently lost their publisher they where looking for another publisher to take eve online up. EA and Activision both scoffed at the idea and graphics at the time saying they where crazy, and impossible and single shard servers where going to be impossible all sorts of things.

I believe this was the trailer shown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryJZnXfvKNo

Enter world of warcraft, until this game came out MMO where something everyone in the industry disregarded for trueblood nerds only. World of Warcraft was nearly an instant hit.

EA saw this and got real jealous. The simple fact that Eve was going on ahead without them was scrambling to find a foot into the market.

Observe Westwood studios, the developer of Earth and Beyond who had a pretty ambitious space game. EA bought Westwood studios for EnB (contrary to the belief they where bought for CnC) Within a year EnB was declared dead.

Eve online seeing a mass exodus from that game pounced on the opportunity to offer every EnB player a discount for swapping over.

EA never forgave CCP for that insult.

Currently EA is working on a game that has 'persistent progress' where if you where to start a game there today they would copy your progress from other games and 'instant vet' you.

Typical of EA. I hated them the moment they became so caught up with money they completely became drunk with power. I remember when Plants vs Zombies was such a success that EA felt really insulted so they managed to buy out the developer and shut them down.

Congratulations on your selection. I haven't read much of your work other then some comments in the RP threads. I'm sure the NDA part will be extremely difficult to deal with. I've always been a open book type of person and if I ever had a posistion like that I would probably be kicked out and sued immediately because the next day I would reply to some random thread. "Oh yea we are fixing hit detection, not this patch but next patch" followed by an attempted fast ninja edit.

Well then, to that definition and to your earlier question combined.

I know whatever hell system I help come up with, is going to be abused no matter what by future CPM. I will purposely look for flaws in systems when they're presented and bring them to light. After all i love tearing things apart. None the less it won't be perfect, it will never be perfect, and no matter what I do, it cannot be perfect.

All I can hope for is to move the entire process to a more prefect representation, to make it known perfection will always be out of reach.

I know the above statement sounds like alot of BS, but honestly until I get more information from CCP I have no idea how to make a good voter system without it.

This single post has won me over Iron Wolf.

Now i need to talk you away from a democratic/republic style system and onto communism.

aww...
There goes the fun.

BTW are you going to get you own forum tag?

I honestly think communism is a government by machines for machines of machines.

I had experience in that regard, Secret Clearance for 8 years. Terminated(not revoked, that's a really bad thing) on departure from the military but the background check should be much cheaper to refresh if any future corporation wants to up me on it again.

I have been here since e3 and I read all this and understood none of it but if it gets ya recognized keep it up

Great another radioman I know too many radio guys, ahhh well.