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Noc Tempre wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Noc Tempre wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Sorry for missing the question. I do that on purpose.

CPM isn't about ideas, its a tuning fork. Ideas are heard all the time, CCP has hundreds of them as well and its going to be the This and all future CPMs job to help sort which ideas would be viable or not to implement and importance of higher level ideas that need to be implemented.

Its less about what you want the CPM to do and more what you want CCP to do.

So again, I ask, why is one person, be it you, or me, or anybody, representing the playerbase at large, a good system for helping develop a shooter? Moreover, why is it the most effective?

Scenario:

Man falls of second floor and is unconcious, a crowd forms up but none of them do something.
A man trained in CPR rushes in orders one person, and ONLY one person to go call 911.
A call is made. Man is saved.

vs

Man falls of second floor and is unconcious, a crowd forms up but none of them do something.
Someone in the crowd suggest we should try to call for help. Nobody does anthing.
Nobody calls. Man dies.

Again, missing the point. You want the 7 people to make the calls for potentially millions. That's impossible. Just look at how dandy a job the US does at those ratios. What?

We need a system for getting good ideas disseminated, discussed, and then refined at which point CCP knows exactly what the community wants on a point by point. I will flat out say I hate democracy because it is tyranny of the majority. I am open about my bias. Now how do you plan to address my concerns?


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Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 738	Posted - 2013.04.21 23:24:00 - [1] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sorry for missing the question. I do that on purpose. CPM isn't about ideas, its a tuning fork. Ideas are heard all the time, CCP has hundreds of them as well and its going to be the This and all future CPMs job to help sort which ideas would be viable or not to implement and importance of higher level ideas that need to be implemented. Its less about what you want the CPM to do and more what you want CCP to do. So again, I ask, why is one person, be it you, or me, or anybody, representing the playerbase at large, a good system for helping develop a shooter? Moreover, why is it the most effective? Scenario: Man falls of second floor and is unconcious, a crowd forms up but none of them do something. A man trained in CPR rushes in orders one person, and ONLY one person to go call 911. A call is made. Man is saved. vs Man falls of second floor and is unconcious, a crowd forms up but none of them do something. Someone in the crowd suggest we should try to call for help. Nobody does anthing. Nobody calls. Man dies. Again, missing the point. You want the 7 people to make the calls for potentially millions. That's impossible. Just look at how dandy a job the US does at those ratios. We need a system for getting good ideas disseminated, discussed, and then refined at which point CCP knows exactly what the community wants on a point by point. I will flat out say I hate democracy because it is tyranny of the majority. I am open about my bias. Now how do you plan to address my concerns? The community does not ever want one consistent thing without contradictions. Democracy is rarely if ever a tyranny of the majority in practice. Democracy isn't even strictly democracy in practice. The bigger question is how to gauge and even begin to get a sense of the many wants of the silent majority? A group of workers at a large Caldari factory facility conspire to take justice into their own hands. One of the bosses has so heinously abused his position of power that we cannot detail his many heinous and inhumane acts on this forum. The workers are eventually able to lure him to a vacant second floor office where he is pushed out of a window. The fall is not fatal but many more vigilante workers gather on the ground below to make sure the job is well and truly finished and to ensure that they can finally be free of this monstrous overseer. Unfortunately an employee from middle management who remains blissfully ignorant of the boss's abuse of the workers passes by on his lunch break. He sees a person in pain, surrounded by a seemingly inert crowd of onlookers. "For the love of Heth, someone help this man!" He cries. A ripple of panic surges through the crowd. Someone, we will never be sure of their exact identity, rushes to contact emergency services. A call is made. Man is saved.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 738	Posted - 2013.04.21 23:31:00 - [2] - Quote WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: Honestly, CPM should have been voted. It would of at least added some legitimacy. Hand picked councils has never sat well with me. Yes, let's do that. Since we can all create as many PSN accounts as we have email addresses, it should turn out about as well as the campaign to "Dub the Dew!" I vote for Diabeetus.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 739	Posted - 2013.04.21 23:48:00 - [3] - Quote WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: Aighun wrote: WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote: Honestly, CPM should have been voted. It would of at least added some legitimacy. Hand picked councils has never sat well with me. Yes, let's do that. Since we can all create as many PSN accounts as we have email addresses, it should turn out about as well as the campaign to "Dub the Dew!" I vote for Diabeetus. Obviously not. Nonetheless, this council really holds no legitimacy. About half the council members hardly ever play. Furthermore, Ironwolfs self-induced smugness only further confirms my doubts. Well, CPM was hand picked so that they could, as one of their main tasks, figure out how we go about picking the more in your words "legitimate" CPM of the future. One vote per PSN id will never work because any player can have unlimited PSN ids. So that sort of system is vulnerable to the kind of manipulation 4 Chan used to make the "Dub the Dew" campaign such a memorable success. Question remains, if a vote confers legitimacy, how do we vote for the CPM?