I am with Nova Knife on getting the CPM to be able to self police on people doing work and the sorts instead of getting free rides in the group.

For structure, I would like to bring up the ambassador topic up, and maybe set up regular meetings with the CSM as well to at least exchange glances or ask each other questions. The only thing I would like the ambassador to do is to be flown to the other group's meeting with the devs. This would make appointing a chairman and secretary and or whatever other seat needed on the council less stressful on the few who may only be good enough to just be a CPM and can't get that little bit more. After all its one universe two countries.

I would like to see a reasonable number of representatives, I do not think we need 14 members yet but 5 seems too few, maybe 7 should be enough coverage for a while with a few more on standby.

As for voting I have to see what CCP is capable of providing or tracking to determine who gets to vote or not. Just right now I cannot formulate anything fair at the moment but after observing the current eve online election I am not going with that system at all.

Because of human nature. Looking at real world elections and the virtual ones its quite common that undeserving people get elected all the time.

As for the CSM I am concerned about eve customers and dust 514 customers, I dont want things to kill either game because of the ohter game.

Because CCP want the CPM and the CSM. It does improve communication Noc.

It's been seen time and time again, the issue is getting the right people on the CPM in the first place.

IronWolf, Can you get a thread set up and pinned to discuss the topic of the vote etc that all the CPM keep on top of?

I don't want to have this conversation in this thread and Novas, seems pointless.

Sorry for missing the question. I do that on purpose.

CPM isn't about ideas, its a tuning fork. Ideas are heard all the time, CCP has hundreds of them as well and its going to be the This and all future CPMs job to help sort which ideas would be viable or not to implement and importance of higher level ideas that need to be implemented.

Its less about what you want the CPM to do and more what you want CCP to do.

That's what having multiple members in the council is for. Each member acts as a check and balance against the other member.

Scenario:

Man falls of second floor and is unconcious, a crowd forms up but none of them do something.
A man trained in CPR rushes in orders one person, and ONLY one person to go call 911.
A call is made. Man is saved.

vs

Man falls of second floor and is unconcious, a crowd forms up but none of them do something.
Someone in the crowd suggest we should try to call for help. Nobody does anthing.
Nobody calls. Man dies.

I agree with your points, but there's no better alternative

Actually it is the point. Because no matter how large that crowd they're still going to stand around the guy who fell from two floors up.

No, not at all let me ask you this how many doctors for one man is considerably a massive waste of resources? 100? 200? 4000?

So admit desires to see a term limitation?

Noc... I think the point of the CPM is to condense the ideas of a thousand opinions into smaller ideas.

Well if Noc wants robots to run the CPM he can go vote for one.

No I am on the record to regard your statements as unhelpful and poisonous to the community and I have further proven that no matter what I have answered your quest of ruination. You would have contorted and twisted to your own ruined version of the community because honestly your opinion of the entire community has been extraordinarily removed for the last few months because of a mostly ignored personal crusade you been championing for to well... unhelpful ends. Whole reason why I decided to play the game a bit to string you out further.

Branded.

BTW if you weren't so blind in contempt you'd know that my seating is by no means permanent.

So according to you the top 10 players should be part of council then? People who call you a scrub every day Regnum?

Because you have set up the entire conversation with an ulterior motive Noc, there is no reason why you couldn't ask a straight question. You give me crooked questions I will play with vague answers.

Well don't blame me if I don't understand your rules on that side of the board.

I am a Japanese after all, takes a hammer sometimes to get to the point if you go all flowery with words.

Well then, to that definition and to your earlier question combined.

I know whatever hell system I help come up with, is going to be abused no matter what by future CPM. I will purposely look for flaws in systems when they're presented and bring them to light. After all i love tearing things apart. None the less it won't be perfect, it will never be perfect, and no matter what I do, it cannot be perfect.

All I can hope for is to move the entire process to a more prefect representation, to make it known perfection will always be out of reach.

I know the above statement sounds like alot of BS, but honestly until I get more information from CCP I have no idea how to make a good voter system without it.

A lottery system cant work most of the lottery results will be a negative as most people wont have passports or other minimal requirements.

A heir system wouldn't be useful either it would lead to too many ass kissers.

Communism ( I guess current system) would be great but as you can see with Regnum many many others they're going to continue to feel disenfranchised because the people who got picked are CCP kissers.

Autocracity wouldn't work either you'd have to many ego heads.

Democracy or a Republic are the only options I see feasible in giving you guys a voice, the ability to get rid of useless people, and ensure quality of CPM members that do get seated.

Crowd sourcing as pointed out by Noc is a viable solution as well. But it's not perfect either because what they gain in shared public knowledge and ideas, they lose out in time spent trying to resolve things. This loss of time will be detrimental to the development of a console or PC game.

Technocracy is a form of autocracy as well cept smarter people.

Crowd Sourcing would be a good advisory board for the CPM though and that's where it can work.