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Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
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Posted - 2013.04.22 01:01:00 -
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@Iron Wolf
Surprisingly, I never heard about that. What happened? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3617
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Posted - 2013.04.22 01:14:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:@Iron Wolf
Surprisingly, I never heard about that. What happened?
Okay the story is a bit old but here goes.
back when CCP was first starting and recently lost their publisher they where looking for another publisher to take eve online up. EA and Activision both scoffed at the idea and graphics at the time saying they where crazy, and impossible and single shard servers where going to be impossible all sorts of things.
I believe this was the trailer shown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryJZnXfvKNo
Enter world of warcraft, until this game came out MMO where something everyone in the industry disregarded for trueblood nerds only. World of Warcraft was nearly an instant hit.
EA saw this and got real jealous. The simple fact that Eve was going on ahead without them was scrambling to find a foot into the market.
Observe Westwood studios, the developer of Earth and Beyond who had a pretty ambitious space game. EA bought Westwood studios for EnB (contrary to the belief they where bought for CnC) Within a year EnB was declared dead.
Eve online seeing a mass exodus from that game pounced on the opportunity to offer every EnB player a discount for swapping over.
EA never forgave CCP for that insult.
Currently EA is working on a game that has 'persistent progress' where if you where to start a game there today they would copy your progress from other games and 'instant vet' you. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
2083
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Posted - 2013.04.22 01:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@Iron Wolf
Surprisingly, I never heard about that. What happened? Okay the story is a bit old but here goes. back when CCP was first starting and recently lost their publisher they where looking for another publisher to take eve online up. EA and Activision both scoffed at the idea and graphics at the time saying they where crazy, and impossible and single shard servers where going to be impossible all sorts of things. I believe this was the trailer shown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryJZnXfvKNoEnter world of warcraft, until this game came out MMO where something everyone in the industry disregarded for trueblood nerds only. World of Warcraft was nearly an instant hit. EA saw this and got real jealous. The simple fact that Eve was going on ahead without them was scrambling to find a foot into the market. Observe Westwood studios, the developer of Earth and Beyond who had a pretty ambitious space game. EA bought Westwood studios for EnB (contrary to the belief they where bought for CnC) Within a year EnB was declared dead. Eve online seeing a mass exodus from that game pounced on the opportunity to offer every EnB player a discount for swapping over. EA never forgave CCP for that insult. Currently EA is working on a game that has 'persistent progress' where if you where to start a game there today they would copy your progress from other games and 'instant vet' you.
Typical of EA. I hated them the moment they became so caught up with money they completely became drunk with power. I remember when Plants vs Zombies was such a success that EA felt really insulted so they managed to buy out the developer and shut them down (or at least downsizing the company). |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.22 01:43:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@Iron Wolf
Surprisingly, I never heard about that. What happened? Okay the story is a bit old but here goes. back when CCP was first starting and recently lost their publisher they where looking for another publisher to take eve online up. EA and Activision both scoffed at the idea and graphics at the time saying they where crazy, and impossible and single shard servers where going to be impossible all sorts of things. I believe this was the trailer shown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryJZnXfvKNoEnter world of warcraft, until this game came out MMO where something everyone in the industry disregarded for trueblood nerds only. World of Warcraft was nearly an instant hit. EA saw this and got real jealous. The simple fact that Eve was going on ahead without them was scrambling to find a foot into the market. Observe Westwood studios, the developer of Earth and Beyond who had a pretty ambitious space game. EA bought Westwood studios for EnB (contrary to the belief they where bought for CnC) Within a year EnB was declared dead. Eve online seeing a mass exodus from that game pounced on the opportunity to offer every EnB player a discount for swapping over. EA never forgave CCP for that insult. Currently EA is working on a game that has 'persistent progress' where if you where to start a game there today they would copy your progress from other games and 'instant vet' you. Typical of EA. I hated them the moment they became so caught up with money they completely became drunk with power. I remember when Plants vs Zombies was such a success that EA felt really insulted so they managed to buy out the developer and shut them down.
Wait WHAT?!?!?
/me gets special ops gear.
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Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
2085
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Posted - 2013.04.22 01:56:00 -
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@Iron wolf
It looks like they are about to get shut down considering the cuts they're making. |
ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.04.22 04:03:00 -
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This whole council exitment thing is gonna blow over after a few weeks then all of its members will be nothing again |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
271
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:12:00 -
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Congratulations on your selection. I haven't read much of your work other then some comments in the RP threads. I'm sure the NDA part will be extremely difficult to deal with. I've always been a open book type of person and if I ever had a posistion like that I would probably be kicked out and sued immediately because the next day I would reply to some random thread. "Oh yea we are fixing hit detection, not this patch but next patch" followed by an attempted fast ninja edit. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3627
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:16:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Congratulations on your selection. I haven't read much of your work other then some comments in the RP threads. I'm sure the NDA part will be extremely difficult to deal with. I've always been a open book type of person and if I ever had a posistion like that I would probably be kicked out and sued immediately because the next day I would reply to some random thread. "Oh yea we are fixing hit detection, not this patch but next patch" followed by an attempted fast ninja edit.
I had experience in that regard, Secret Clearance for 8 years. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
917
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Posted - 2013.04.22 22:50:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well then, to that definition and to your earlier question combined.
I know whatever hell system I help come up with, is going to be abused no matter what by future CPM. I will purposely look for flaws in systems when they're presented and bring them to light. After all i love tearing things apart. None the less it won't be perfect, it will never be perfect, and no matter what I do, it cannot be perfect.
All I can hope for is to move the entire process to a more prefect representation, to make it known perfection will always be out of reach.
I know the above statement sounds like alot of BS, but honestly until I get more information from CCP I have no idea how to make a good voter system without it.
This single post has won me over Iron Wolf.
Now i need to talk you away from a democratic/republic style system and onto communism.
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3629
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Posted - 2013.04.22 23:30:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well then, to that definition and to your earlier question combined.
I know whatever hell system I help come up with, is going to be abused no matter what by future CPM. I will purposely look for flaws in systems when they're presented and bring them to light. After all i love tearing things apart. None the less it won't be perfect, it will never be perfect, and no matter what I do, it cannot be perfect.
All I can hope for is to move the entire process to a more prefect representation, to make it known perfection will always be out of reach.
I know the above statement sounds like alot of BS, but honestly until I get more information from CCP I have no idea how to make a good voter system without it. This single post has won me over Iron Wolf. Now i need to talk you away from a democratic/republic style system and onto communism.
I honestly think communism is a government by machines for machines of machines. |
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fred orpaul
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
234
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Posted - 2013.04.23 02:44:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:aden slayer wrote:as long as you keep feeding us information. I live with that. I have to be careful what I feed out. I have to source everything from now on. I can no longer predicatively guess or actively go out and find things anymore. aww... There goes the fun. BTW are you going to get you own forum tag?
You can still say what I would like to see and what I think they should do, you just cant say I bet they will, or what I think they will do.
least I would imagine. |
fred orpaul
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
234
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Posted - 2013.04.23 02:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well then, to that definition and to your earlier question combined.
I know whatever hell system I help come up with, is going to be abused no matter what by future CPM. I will purposely look for flaws in systems when they're presented and bring them to light. After all i love tearing things apart. None the less it won't be perfect, it will never be perfect, and no matter what I do, it cannot be perfect.
All I can hope for is to move the entire process to a more prefect representation, to make it known perfection will always be out of reach.
I know the above statement sounds like alot of BS, but honestly until I get more information from CCP I have no idea how to make a good voter system without it. This single post has won me over Iron Wolf. Now i need to talk you away from a democratic/republic style system and onto communism. I honestly think communism is a government by machines for machines of machines.
Cerebral ia a ROBOT! |
fred orpaul
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
234
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Posted - 2013.04.23 02:49:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Daedric Lothar wrote:Congratulations on your selection. I haven't read much of your work other then some comments in the RP threads. I'm sure the NDA part will be extremely difficult to deal with. I've always been a open book type of person and if I ever had a posistion like that I would probably be kicked out and sued immediately because the next day I would reply to some random thread. "Oh yea we are fixing hit detection, not this patch but next patch" followed by an attempted fast ninja edit. I had experience in that regard, Secret Clearance for 8 years. Terminated(not revoked, that's a really bad thing) on departure from the military but the background check should be much cheaper to refresh if any future corporation wants to up me on it again.
Great another radioman I know too many radio guys, ahhh well. |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
80
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Posted - 2013.04.23 02:52:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:I have been here since e3 and I read all this and understood none of it but if it gets ya recognized keep it up I support and do not understand either post. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3633
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Posted - 2013.04.23 02:55:00 -
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fred orpaul wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Daedric Lothar wrote:Congratulations on your selection. I haven't read much of your work other then some comments in the RP threads. I'm sure the NDA part will be extremely difficult to deal with. I've always been a open book type of person and if I ever had a posistion like that I would probably be kicked out and sued immediately because the next day I would reply to some random thread. "Oh yea we are fixing hit detection, not this patch but next patch" followed by an attempted fast ninja edit. I had experience in that regard, Secret Clearance for 8 years. Terminated(not revoked, that's a really bad thing) on departure from the military but the background check should be much cheaper to refresh if any future corporation wants to up me on it again. Great another radioman I know too many radio guys, ahhh well.
Nope, worked in the same room as them though had to get cleared. |
fred orpaul
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
234
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Posted - 2013.04.23 05:42:00 -
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So an electronics rate then, close enough. |
Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
394
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Posted - 2013.04.23 07:33:00 -
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A while ago I started getting some ideas together of what I and some others would like from a CPM, I created an IRC channel, a basic website, and said to the forums that I am going to support anyone who wants to try and do something, then waited.... and waited....
The IRC channel was dead for 2 days, by 5 days, Ironwolf, nova, jenza and kain were in there as well as some others. They gave their opinion on what I wanted (positive and negative) and had conflicting opinions (nova said we should make it inviting for CCP, kain said we should work with ccp from the start) we had all these ideas about how we wanted to make a fair voting process, how it should be handled.... but in the month or so it was up, they were some of the few guys who actually made the effort to get involved. Just being there showed their commitment to the community and that alone is enough for me to know they are dedicated to making a good effort.
I've known all of them apart from Hans who I've only spoken to a handfull of times, and even though I don't agree with all of their personal ideals, I have to put aside my bias and look at what they have done.
Just because you haven't seen them post on the forums, doesn't mean they haven't been everywhere else, and just because to you they seem inactive, doesn't mean they are. I'm one of the most active IRC users, but rarely post in the forums, never tweet, never have videos, but I'm very active.
I expect you won't really have a clue until after fanfest, but something you could look at improving upon is a CPM central hub for users who have missed past contributions, CPMs (when there's a CPM 8, people will want to see what CPM 7,6,5,4 did) and easily find you. At the moment we have the forums and your posts here.... But they will get lost when other users post along with the contact details you supplied :)
The only thing I will say to the CPM is your words will only take you so far, but it's your actions that will be your legacy and we as a community can build our trust on you from that legacy.
as you guys know, I'm ready and waiting to help you as a developer in any way I can, and if you need something created to help suit your needs, you know where to find me. |
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