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Mithridates VI
DUST 411
792
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:32:00 -
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On this: There is no reason to believe SP will be deducted. CCP hasn't spoken to that with regards to the reimbursement program.
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Logi Bro
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
1162
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:42:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:You don't think not playing the game, yet being rewarded in the game, isn't an exploit.
I can't explain it better.
As you said.
Carry on.
Exploit: 1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage.
Wouldn't employing the greatest advantage be playing in the game and earning WP to increase the amount of SP you earn? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2522
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:46:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Exploit: 1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage.
2. To make use of selfishly or unethically
From the exact same page |
Logi Bro
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
1162
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:52:00 -
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*Sighs*
But........am I being unethical? Not until CCP says it's a bad thing, verbatim, not some, "We'd prefer if you didn't," bull.
Am I being selfish? Yes. However, even though I know it's an evasion, I could just as easily call you selfish for not camping with me. As far as I know, Skirmish has no time limit, so if everyone camped, we'd all get massive SP rewards from a single game. You are cheating all these poor SP-less blueberries out of easily earned SP by discouraging AFKing. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2522
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:58:00 -
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The mental gymnastics going on in this thread could win a hundred olympics a hundred times over
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Logi Bro
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
1162
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:59:00 -
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You have to admit, if all blueberries had a nice SP bonus, and knew how to actually allocate SP, then our games would be actually interesting. |
Mithridates VI
DUST 411
792
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:08:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:*Sighs*
But........am I being unethical? Not until CCP says it's a bad thing, verbatim, not some, "We'd prefer if you didn't," bull.
Am I being selfish? Yes. However, even though I know it's an evasion, I could just as easily call you selfish for not camping with me. As far as I know, Skirmish has no time limit, so if everyone camped, we'd all get massive SP rewards from a single game. You are cheating all these poor SP-less blueberries out of easily earned SP by discouraging AFKing.
I think the skirmish time limit is the 20-25 minutes it takes for the MCCs to destroy one another. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
119
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:21:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:*Sighs*
But........am I being unethical? Not until CCP says it's a bad thing, verbatim, not some, "We'd prefer if you didn't," bull.
Am I being selfish? Yes. However, even though I know it's an evasion, I could just as easily call you selfish for not camping with me. As far as I know, Skirmish has no time limit, so if everyone camped, we'd all get massive SP rewards from a single game. You are cheating all these poor SP-less blueberries out of easily earned SP by discouraging AFKing. I would love to see a full game of AFKers, best sp for both sides. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1428
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:32:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Logi Bro wrote:*Sighs*
But........am I being unethical? Not until CCP says it's a bad thing, verbatim, not some, "We'd prefer if you didn't," bull.
Am I being selfish? Yes. However, even though I know it's an evasion, I could just as easily call you selfish for not camping with me. As far as I know, Skirmish has no time limit, so if everyone camped, we'd all get massive SP rewards from a single game. You are cheating all these poor SP-less blueberries out of easily earned SP by discouraging AFKing. I would love to see a full game of AFKers, best sp for both sides.
I'll be waiting for you to come out |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1068
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:39:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Exploit: 1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage.
2. To make use of selfishly or unethically From the exact same page
Selfish? Damn... those blueberry snipers not in a squad are breaking the rules then.
Ethics? Damn... standing still in the MCC is the exact same thing as cheating...yet, not a single statement from CCP regarding this.
QQ the tears keep flowing |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2522
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:46:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:mental gymnastics
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
448
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:13:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:On this: There is no reason to believe SP will be deducted. CCP hasn't spoken to that with regards to the reimbursement program. I wasn't suggesting there was cause to think they would, I've said several times I'm fine whether or not they do it.
I was pointing out that if enough people pressure CCP, it might happen. They do all kinds of things due to audience pressure, and if they are planning to refund merc packs, boosters and all, the only way to not give away free SP boosters and AUR would be to remove SP gained via boosters. Which is a possibility as far as I can tell since they've yet to say it's off the table.
And if there is a chance they will be messing with peoples SP allotments, there's also a chance that they may penalize at least those players who openly admit to abusing a mechanic publicly. Like, say, here in the forums. Where it's all been flaunted for the world to see what they did. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1069
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:59:00 -
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2017
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:03:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
841
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:04:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2017
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:05:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: A new fad coming soon - AFK forum like farming. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2523
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:06:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:I wasn't suggesting there was cause to think they would, I've said several times I'm fine whether or not they do it.
I'd just like to say, that despite my fairly clear stance on this, I am also fine whether this goes unpunished or not. While I think the poetic justice would be delicious indeed, I really just want it for the lulz.
For the lulz CCP.
Do it for the lulz. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
449
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:10:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote: A new fad coming soon - AFK forum like farming.
and lulz were had by all |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1069
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:15:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
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Mithridates VI
DUST 411
794
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:19:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:On this: There is no reason to believe SP will be deducted. CCP hasn't spoken to that with regards to the reimbursement program. I wasn't suggesting there was cause to think they would, I've said several times I'm fine whether or not they do it. I was pointing out that if enough people pressure CCP, it might happen. They do all kinds of things due to audience pressure, and if they are planning to refund merc packs, boosters and all, the only way to not give away free SP boosters and AUR would be to remove SP gained via boosters. Which is a possibility as far as I can tell since they've yet to say it's off the table. And if there is a chance they will be messing with peoples SP allotments, there's also a chance that they may penalize at least those players who openly admit to abusing a mechanic publicly. Like, say, here in the forums. Where it's all been flaunted for the world to see what they did. I clarified because some have read that as confirmation that SP resets have been put on the table. |
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EKH0 0ne
The Red Guards EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I still hold out that CCP has a way of tracking those who abuse this "mechanic" and have all SP gained that way removed in the Uprising update.
Omg the lulz
Omg the afk not c's are back! |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2017
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:43:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
841
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:48:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
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Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1302
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Posted - 2013.04.12 07:42:00 -
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Havent red the whole thread but from what i saw, there are people defending the possibility to afk ?
I'll be honest and admit i'm MCC afking myself while cleaning my apartment, cooking and i'm late on cap. Though, i'm still in favor of making afking NOT possible.
I LOL at all those trying to demonstrate that afk is ok.
1) Lore Wise : You take a contract from an NPC corp and you're getting paid. The most logical choice for those npc corp when you dont or pretend to fight would be to just pop you off the BF. No reward, No SP. bye merc.
2) Gameplay wise : This is a FPS. Afk all you want mining in EVE. But being able to idle in an FPS is just idiotic. Anyone that will say otherwise is either an uber-cowardly Carebear or an 8y-old that doesnt know anything about FPS.
Yet, i would tend to agree with those saying that AFK till now is CCP's fault. Not the players. Creating a mechanics that just screeeeeeeeeeeeams AFK and never reacting to any complaints from the player right when it started is on them. Punishing the players now would be as idiotic as the system itself.
Just as a reminder : here's a thread posted DAY ONE they announced the 5SP per sec in battle. When we got a daily LOLZ Cap at the same time :https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=457946#post457946
So NO ! no way CCP gets to punish players when they got warned day one this would ruin skirmish. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
451
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Posted - 2013.04.12 08:12:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Havent red the whole thread but from what i saw, there are people defending the possibility to afk ? I'll be honest and admit i'm MCC afking myself while cleaning my apartment, cooking and i'm late on cap. Though, i'm still in favor of making afking NOT possible. I LOL at all those trying to demonstrate that afk is ok. 1) Lore Wise : You take a contract from an NPC corp and you're getting paid. The most logical choice for those npc corp when you dont or pretend to fight would be to just pop you off the BF. No reward, No SP. bye merc. 2) Gameplay wise : This is a FPS. Afk all you want mining in EVE. But being able to idle in an FPS is just idiotic. Anyone that will say otherwise is either an uber-cowardly Carebear or an 8y-old that doesnt know anything about FPS. Yet, i would tend to agree with those saying that AFK till now is CCP's fault. Not the players. Creating a mechanics that just screeeeeeeeeeeeams AFK and never reacting to any complaints from the player right when it started is on them. Punishing the players now would be as idiotic as the system itself. Just as a reminder : here's a thread posted DAY ONE they announced the 5SP per sec in battle. When we got a daily LOLZ Cap at the same time :https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=457946#post457946 So NO ! no way CCP gets to punish players when they got warned day one this would ruin skirmish. While I agree with you totally on 90% of your post, I have to say that just because CCP was warned that it would happen doesn't mean CCP can't punish people for abusing a mechanic in a way that it was not meant to be used.
Let me put it into a hypothetical:
"A store (CCP) sells goods (distribute SP). They decide to donate goods to a pantry (give 5 SP per second) in order to help and feed poor and homeless people (help poor/terrible players). People who work at the shelter (AFKers) can legally skim goods off of the top (AFK farm) to help themselves out (breeze through matches without risking ISK) while disadvantaging the poor further (leaving others to play without team support).
Just because these people (AFKers) CAN skim goods (AFK farm) legally off the top (at the expense of others) doesn't mean the store (CCP) supplying the goods (SP) can't penalize those people by adjusting prices on goods in their store (adjust SP totals) when they shop at their store (play Dust) if the store (CCP) finds out who was skimming (who was AFK farming)."
Not saying they should, but they do have that right. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2523
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Posted - 2013.04.12 08:14:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:"A store (CCP) sells goods (distribute SP). They decide to donate goods to a pantry (give 5 SP per second) in order to help and feed poor and homeless people (help poor/terrible players). People who work at the shelter (AFKers) can legally skim goods off of the top (AFK farm) to help themselves out (breeze through matches without risking ISK) while disadvantaging the poor further (leaving others to play without team support).
Just because these people (AFKers) CAN skim goods (AFK farm) legally off the top (at the expense of others) doesn't mean the store (CCP) supplying the goods (SP) can't penalize those people by adjusting prices on goods in their store (adjust SP totals) when they shop at their store (play Dust) if the store (CCP) finds out who was skimming (who was AFK farming)."
Dude.
+1....
::slow clap::
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EKH0 0ne
The Red Guards EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.04.12 08:16:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Havent red the whole thread but from what i saw, there are people defending the possibility to afk ? I'll be honest and admit i'm MCC afking myself while cleaning my apartment, cooking and i'm late on cap. Though, i'm still in favor of making afking NOT possible. I LOL at all those trying to demonstrate that afk is ok. 1) Lore Wise : You take a contract from an NPC corp and you're getting paid. The most logical choice for those npc corp when you dont or pretend to fight would be to just pop you off the BF. No reward, No SP. bye merc. 2) Gameplay wise : This is a FPS. Afk all you want mining in EVE. But being able to idle in an FPS is just idiotic. Anyone that will say otherwise is either an uber-cowardly Carebear or an 8y-old that doesnt know anything about FPS. Yet, i would tend to agree with those saying that AFK till now is CCP's fault. Not the players. Creating a mechanics that just screeeeeeeeeeeeams AFK and never reacting to any complaints from the player right when it started is on them. Punishing the players now would be as idiotic as the system itself. Just as a reminder : here's a thread posted DAY ONE they announced the 5SP per sec in battle. When we got a daily LOLZ Cap at the same time :https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=457946#post457946 So NO ! no way CCP gets to punish players when they got warned day one this would ruin skirmish. While I agree with you totally on 90% of your post, I have to say that just because CCP was warned that it would happen doesn't mean CCP can't punish people for abusing a mechanic in a way that it was not meant to be used. Let me put it into a hypothetical: "A store (CCP) sells goods (distribute SP). They decide to donate goods to a pantry (give 5 SP per second) in order to help and feed poor and homeless people (help poor/terrible players). People who work at the shelter (AFKers) can legally skim goods off of the top (AFK farm) to help themselves out (breeze through matches without risking ISK) while disadvantaging the poor further (leaving others to play without team support).
Just because these people (AFKers) CAN skim goods (AFK farm) legally off the top (at the expense of others) doesn't mean the store (CCP) supplying the goods (SP) can't penalize those people by adjusting prices on goods in their store (adjust SP totals) when they shop at their store (play Dust) if the store (CCP) finds out who was skimming (who was AFK farming)."Not saying they should, but they do have that right.
Yeah cuz CCP is all about helping the needy, its not like they are a corporation trying to make money from you.
how generous of them to take away my sp
I also have the right to refunded aurum, and refunded money if they take the sp away i used the aurum for. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
841
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Posted - 2013.04.12 08:20:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote: Yeah cuz CCP is all about helping the needy
What? No, the current system isn't in place to help newberries who might go 0-20 against protobears, why would neberries need any help? It's there to help AFKers |
EKH0 0ne
The Red Guards EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.04.12 08:30:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote: Yeah cuz CCP is all about helping the needy
What? No, the current system isn't in place to help newberries who might go 0-20 against protobears, why would neberries need any help? It's there to help AFKers
hmm.......not sure what your trying to say. Sarcasm? U suggesting CCP actually thought about the players and thats why the afk is there so they can catch up? If so your probably right. any of you guys ever thought they want it that way . And CCP has better things to do besides rip off their customers
Or are you saying the afk system is preventing them from catching up?
Either way i was hoping for a response from the guy i quoted anywayas
Or maybe Dust Fiend a proud Corporate sheep. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2523
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Posted - 2013.04.12 08:37:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:Or maybe Dust Fiend a proud Corporate sheep.
I'm confused as to how that's supposed to relate to not wanting people to abuse a mechanic that is detrimental to the growth and longevity of the game.... |
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