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EKH0 0ne The Red Guards EoN. 17	Posted - 2013.04.12 08:39:00 - [151] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: EKH0 0ne wrote: Or maybe Dust Fiend a proud Corporate sheep. I'm confused as to how that's supposed to relate to not wanting people to abuse a mechanic that is detrimental to the growth and longevity of the game.... Awwww, i thought you were gonna defend CCPs right to steal from me
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 451	Posted - 2013.04.12 08:40:00 - [152] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Havent red the whole thread but from what i saw, there are people defending the possibility to afk ? I'll be honest and admit i'm MCC afking myself while cleaning my apartment, cooking and i'm late on cap. Though, i'm still in favor of making afking NOT possible. I LOL at all those trying to demonstrate that afk is ok. 1) Lore Wise : You take a contract from an NPC corp and you're getting paid. The most logical choice for those npc corp when you dont or pretend to fight would be to just pop you off the BF. No reward, No SP. bye merc. 2) Gameplay wise : This is a FPS. Afk all you want mining in EVE. But being able to idle in an FPS is just idiotic. Anyone that will say otherwise is either an uber-cowardly Carebear or an 8y-old that doesnt know anything about FPS. Yet, i would tend to agree with those saying that AFK till now is CCP's fault. Not the players. Creating a mechanics that just screeeeeeeeeeeeams AFK and never reacting to any complaints from the player right when it started is on them. Punishing the players now would be as idiotic as the system itself. Just as a reminder : here's a thread posted DAY ONE they announced the 5SP per sec in battle. When we got a daily LOLZ Cap at the same time :https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=457946#post457946 So NO ! no way CCP gets to punish players when they got warned day one this would ruin skirmish. While I agree with you totally on 90% of your post, I have to say that just because CCP was warned that it would happen doesn't mean CCP can't punish people for abusing a mechanic in a way that it was not meant to be used. Let me put it into a hypothetical: "A store (CCP) sells goods (distribute SP). They decide to donate goods to a pantry (give 5 SP per second) in order to help and feed poor and homeless people (help poor/terrible players). People who work at the shelter (AFKers) can legally skim goods off of the top (AFK farm) to help themselves out (breeze through matches without risking ISK) while disadvantaging the poor further (leaving others to play without team support). Just because these people (AFKers) CAN skim goods (AFK farm) legally off the top (at the expense of others) doesn't mean the store (CCP) supplying the goods (SP) can't penalize those people by adjusting prices on goods in their store (adjust SP totals) when they shop at their store (play Dust) if the store (CCP) finds out who was skimming (who was AFK farming)." Not saying they should, but they do have that right. Yeah cuz CCP is all about helping the needy, its not like they are a corporation trying to make money from you. how generous of them to take away my sp I guess the $40 wasnt enough Another bright idea from the dust 514 fans, screw the players. Must be hard managing CCP as a buisness. Not being ripped off is like stealing from the homeless and getting away with it. The game is free, you spending money on it is a result of you wanting to, not of CCP's status as a corporation. You spending $40 on a free game has no bearing on you abusing an in-game mechanic. If you used a booster while AFKing and CCP decides to punish you for it, it's not CCP's fault you decided to abuse game mechanics while using RL money. And you aren't a player if you are AFKing and not playing the game, so how is it screwing over players?
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 451	Posted - 2013.04.12 08:45:00 - [153] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: "A store (CCP) sells goods (distribute SP). They decide to donate goods to a pantry (give 5 SP per second) in order to help and feed poor and homeless people (help poor/terrible players). People who work at the shelter (AFKers) can legally skim goods off of the top (AFK farm) to help themselves out (breeze through matches without risking ISK) while disadvantaging the poor further (leaving others to play without team support). Just because these people (AFKers) CAN skim goods (AFK farm) legally off the top (at the expense of others) doesn't mean the store (CCP) supplying the goods (SP) can't penalize those people by adjusting prices on goods in their store (adjust SP totals) when they shop at their store (play Dust) if the store (CCP) finds out who was skimming (who was AFK farming)." Dude. +1.... ::slow clap:: takes off hat and bows I love using a good hypothetical situation to provide an analogy. I just need to do it more often.
EKH0 0ne The Red Guards EoN. 17	Posted - 2013.04.12 08:54:00 - [154] - Quote Reasons CCP should steal from me: The game can be played for free I broke a rule that doesnt exist I didnt have to use real money while breaking a rule that doesnt exits another ignorant comment as if ive been buying boosters to afk in the mcc and i dont ever actually play the game. part 2 of ignorant comment is that it only screws over the people who give money to CCP Are you reading this guys: CCP has the right to "punish" people for breaking rules that dont exist, and dont worry it only affects the paying customers. After all Its not CCPs fault i decided to become a customer. And all the hours youve played the game well..who gives a **** you afk when you clean your room and watch tv your title as player has been revoked. This is what I see everyday when i hop on the forums, Useless, backwards thinking, uneducated reasoning. Please CCP nerf them. I am beggining to regret purchasing my 2nd booster. Not because i dont like the game, but because players like Baal wanna reach into my Account and decide how i should play and what punishment i deserve for not playing like him. Who knows you might actually listnen to these guys
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2523	Posted - 2013.04.12 08:56:00 - [155] - Quote They take away the SP you earn from your boosters. They give you back the AUR you spent on those boosters. You still have the product you payed for. The SP that was stolen however, that's up to CCP to decide what to do with.
EKH0 0ne The Red Guards EoN. 17	Posted - 2013.04.12 09:01:00 - [156] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: They take away the SP you earn from your boosters. They give you back the AUR you spent on those boosters. You still have the product you payed for. The SP that was stolen however, that's up to CCP to decide what to do with. It took you a whole 2 minutes to come up with that? http://www.butnotyet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jesus-facepalm.jpg
EKH0 0ne The Red Guards EoN. 17	Posted - 2013.04.12 09:02:00 - [157] - Quote Are these the people CCP gets their ideas from?
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 451	Posted - 2013.04.12 09:24:00 - [158] - Quote No one is trying to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, you are struggling and flailing at the issue when no one is pushing it. CCP has the right to punish people who abuse game mechanics because it is their game. AFKers are in in many cases costing the teammates they leave to fight their battles for them ISK by not backing them up, thus CCP has an excuse to do so if they so wish. And they could very well refund AUR spent on boosters used to abuse a mechanic. Do they have the drive to do all of this? I doubt it. Will they? I'd bet $20 on no. And yet you insist on insulting people who are supplying no ideas whatsoever to CCP, we are just discussing how hilarious it would be if they did. Insecure much? Note: And you are really going to bash Fiend for taking 2 minutes to respond? Do you think he's refreshing the page every 2 seconds to see if you've graced him with a response? You need to get a grip
EKH0 0ne The Red Guards EoN. 17	Posted - 2013.04.12 10:23:00 - [159] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: No one is trying to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, you are struggling and flailing at the issue when no one is pushing it. CCP has the right to punish people who abuse game mechanics because it is their game. AFKers are in in many cases costing the teammates they leave to fight their battles for them ISK by not backing them up, thus CCP has an excuse to do so if they so wish. And they could very well refund AUR spent on boosters used to abuse a mechanic. Do they have the drive to do all of this? I doubt it. Will they? I'd bet $20 on no. And yet you insist on insulting people who are supplying no ideas whatsoever to CCP, we are just discussing how hilarious it would be if they did. Insecure much? Note: And you are really going to bash Fiend for taking 2 minutes to respond? Do you think he's refreshing the page every 2 seconds to see if you've graced him with a response? You need to get a grip Edit: And some bacon. Or get a firm grip on some bacon. Mmmmm.... bacon.... Where in the terms and conditions of this game does it say CCP has the right to punish me if i "abuse game mechanics"? I never insulted anybody, if you felt insulted its because youre insecure. Im just discussing how ridiculous your argument is, find in the terms and conditions where they can "punish players" for "abusing game mechanics" Edit: Put that bacon in your pipe and smoke it you need to stop inventing rights.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 26	Posted - 2013.04.12 11:08:00 - [160] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: The game i want to play will come out in the next years. The game i-¦m willing to play, wil come out May 6. The game that i am playing, is a generic futuristic shooter. I want the RTS and consequence, not a K/D ratio to brag about. It's just funny that so many people feel entitled to get free rewards, and have such trouble seeing the problem with that. I don-¦t know if you play EVE or not, but by the mindset, i-¦ll infer that you don-¦t. In EVE Online, the first game of the New Eden universe, all the characters gain SP passively as they train a certain skill (Train skill and gain SP, instead of Gain SP apply on skill). And passively is the only way to gain SP. Yep, you don-¦t even have to be logged in at the game to get SP. You can just pay, and let the char training for years to return later and "Oh, but like this, if i join today, i-¦ll never have as many SP as a veteran from 2003!" Yes, you are correct! No matter how much one play, even a no lifer that plays 23.5/7 will neve have the same SP ammount that a veteran does. However, the total ammount of SP is nothing compared to the application of said SP. You, starting today, may specialize and perform better at something than me, a 2007 char. I-¦ll say again: You, starting today, may perform better at something than a multimillion SP character in EVE online. Why am i saying all this? In Dust, prior to Open Beta, there was a lot of experimenting with the SP system. Do we transport the pasive SP system of EVE to Dust? Should no lifers get sp in such a rate that they may cap the points in less than 7 years? Should the guy that works and just want to relax 2 hours playing a game, feel so overwelmed by the younglings that play this game like crazy, and have no chance agaisnt them? How to combine reward for proactive behaviour and not penalize passive one? How to reward an active, but bad player? How to retain a bad, but participative player, if he can-¦t gain points by playing? Due to diferent styles, plataforms and target public, we have a mixed Active / Passive system that rewards the ones that play a lot (but with a limit on how much this is rewarded) while maintaining the original "Progression with time" I don-¦t feel "entitled" to get rewards. I payed the Merc Pack to join the game, i worked my ass to get my skinweave suits, i skipped work to participate at the Battle of Caldari prime (Both here and in EVE). It-¦s just that i-¦m sort of a "native" with the SP system of New Eden and you-¦re coming from different lands, with different costumes and a different mindset. Not saying that you-¦re wrong, or that we can-¦t discuss percieved abuses, but what you consider a "problem", is actually a "solution". In my perception, this system is implemented for the following reasons: - It rewards participation in battles (You still have to click to join a battle), if you-¦re a good or a bad player. - Retains the audience - Makes you login now and then - Gives no lifers and real lifers opportunity to get on the same "character level", within a bell curve of course. It-¦s an unfinished game, with several restrictions, and no impact on the universe (save for sporadic promotions and storyline advancements). This is but an empty shell of it-¦s possibilities, and because of this, a lot of people enter just to gain SP. Public matches are meaningless, corp battle are braging rights. No PC, no interaction with EVE (save pew pew from the sky), absolutely no reward whatsoever for playing this. (If you say that just for being a shooter it is a reward, i would rather play TF2) When those thing are implemented (May 6), i-¦ll bet with you a beer that the ammount of afkers will drop next to zero. Why? Because social interactions > game mechanics. There will be battles that mean something, and to be part of them, you-¦ll join a group. The group will want your participation, and will kill/expel you in case you don-¦t do your part. No need for game mechanics, a simple group behaviour will solve the issue. So, stop sharing a false information that this is an exploit, because it isn-¦t. It-¦s a candy for those eagerly waiting for the meaning to appear, because right now, it-¦s just a generic shooter with random people using crappy communication between them (how many don-¦t even turn the damn voice system on), shooting meaningless stuff that have no repercussion in the universe. (Save of course, for sporadic events).

Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 451	Posted - 2013.04.12 11:18:00 - [161] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: No one is trying to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, you are struggling and flailing at the issue when no one is pushing it. CCP has the right to punish people who abuse game mechanics because it is their game. AFKers are in in many cases costing the teammates they leave to fight their battles for them ISK by not backing them up, thus CCP has an excuse to do so if they so wish. And they could very well refund AUR spent on boosters used to abuse a mechanic. Do they have the drive to do all of this? I doubt it. Will they? I'd bet $20 on no. And yet you insist on insulting people who are supplying no ideas whatsoever to CCP, we are just discussing how hilarious it would be if they did. Insecure much? Note: And you are really going to bash Fiend for taking 2 minutes to respond? Do you think he's refreshing the page every 2 seconds to see if you've graced him with a response? You need to get a grip Edit: And some bacon. Or get a firm grip on some bacon. Mmmmm.... bacon.... Where in the terms and conditions of this game does it say CCP has the right to punish me if i "abuse game mechanics"? I never insulted anybody, if you felt insulted its because youre insecure and then felt the need to insult me, the irony. Im just discussing how ridiculous your argument is, find in the terms and conditions where they can "punish players" for "abusing game mechanics" Edit: Put that bacon in your pipe and smoke it you need to stop inventing rights. Where I come from, this is considered insulting: Quote: It took you a whole 2 minutes to come up with that? http://www.butnotyet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jesus-facepalm.jpg And Terms and Conditions that apply: Part 1: "You acknowledge and agree that CCP may collect and store User Gameplay Information about you, both as an individual and aggregated with the User Gameplay Information of other users of the Game and the System. In addition, you acknowledge and agree that CCP may analyse and use such User Gameplay Information for the purposes of review, research, development, maintenance, operation, administration, and support, and for the marketing of CCP products and services." Part 2: "You hereby irrevocably, and without additional consideration beyond the rights granted to you herein, assign to CCP any and all right, title and interest you have, including copyrights, in or to any and all information you exchange, transmit or upload to the System or while playing the Game, including without limitation all files, data and information comprising or manifesting corporations, groups, titles, characters and other attributes of your Account, together with all objects and items acquired or developed by, or delivered by or to characters, in your Account." Part 3: "You hereby grant CCP an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, irrevocable, assignable, royalty-free license, fully sublicensable through multiple tiers, to exercise all intellectual property and other rights, in and to all or any part of your User Content, in any medium now known or hereafter developed." http://dust514.com/eula/Source ____________________ Now, for part 1 detailed for you: ad-+min-+is-+tra-+tion n. 1. The act or process of administering, especially the management of a government or large institution. 2. The activity of a government or state in the exercise of its powers and duties. 3.The term of office of an executive officer or body. 4. Law Management and disposal of a trust or estate. So basically can use data they have gained (your SP accumulation) for administrative purposes (see above definition). Part 2 detailed: They own any information your account produces and any info it may transmit. Part 3 detailed: They have the right to do anything they want to your account without your permission. Now then, bed time.
UK-Shots Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.04.12 11:41:00 - [162] - Quote this is all new to me. think while im not playing ill switch my ps3 on go on dust and do some AFKing lol
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 406	Posted - 2013.04.12 13:21:00 - [163] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: No one is trying to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, you are struggling and flailing at the issue when no one is pushing it. CCP has the right to punish people who abuse game mechanics because it is their game. AFKers are in in many cases costing the teammates they leave to fight their battles for them ISK by not backing them up, thus CCP has an excuse to do so if they so wish. And they could very well refund AUR spent on boosters used to abuse a mechanic. Do they have the drive to do all of this? I doubt it. Will they? I'd bet $20 on no. And yet you insist on insulting people who are supplying no ideas whatsoever to CCP, we are just discussing how hilarious it would be if they did. Insecure much? Note: And you are really going to bash Fiend for taking 2 minutes to respond? Do you think he's refreshing the page every 2 seconds to see if you've graced him with a response? You need to get a grip Edit: And some bacon. Or get a firm grip on some bacon. Mmmmm.... bacon.... Actually what I would find hilarious is how bad of a hit in players CCP would have if they did this. I dont know how they are doing right now but I do know that if they were to implement one of these suggestions (for the lulz) then this game would die. There are enough people that I see AFKing that CCP would take a huge hit in the population that plays this game. If you think the game is bleeding players now if they were to do this they would have tried to stop bleeding players by cutting an artery. I honestly dont care what other people think of me and I enjoy all the people who cry over AFKers. I do play the game but I also mix in AFK......why? Simple if you create a system where you level out the rewards despite an individuals effort in the game then the individual will stop trying so hard and will simply start doing only the minimum requirement to earn the same amount of reward. Its human nature. This is why socialism/communism systems always fail. They rely on everyone working as hard as they would normally work if they were to receive the fruits of their labor while at the same time giving them the same rewards as someone else who is much less skilled than they are.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 26	Posted - 2013.04.12 13:33:00 - [164] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: No one is trying to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, you are struggling and flailing at the issue when no one is pushing it. CCP has the right to punish people who abuse game mechanics because it is their game. AFKers are in in many cases costing the teammates they leave to fight their battles for them ISK by not backing them up, thus CCP has an excuse to do so if they so wish. And they could very well refund AUR spent on boosters used to abuse a mechanic. Do they have the drive to do all of this? I doubt it. Will they? I'd bet $20 on no. And yet you insist on insulting people who are supplying no ideas whatsoever to CCP, we are just discussing how hilarious it would be if they did. Insecure much? Note: And you are really going to bash Fiend for taking 2 minutes to respond? Do you think he's refreshing the page every 2 seconds to see if you've graced him with a response? You need to get a grip Edit: And some bacon. Or get a firm grip on some bacon. Mmmmm.... bacon.... Actually what I would find hilarious is how bad of a hit in players CCP would have if they did this. I dont know how they are doing right now but I do know that if they were to implement one of these suggestions (for the lulz) then this game would die. There are enough people that I see AFKing that CCP would take a huge hit in the population that plays this game. If you think the game is bleeding players now if they were to do this they would have stopped bleeding players by cutting an artery. I honestly dont care what other people think of me and I enjoy all the people who cry over AFKers. I do play the game but I also mix in AFK......why? Simple if you create a system where you level out the rewards despite an individuals effort in the game then the individual will stop trying so hard and will simply start doing only the minimum requirement to earn the same amount of reward. Its human nature. This is why socialism/communism systems always fail. They rely on everyone working as hard as they would normally work if they were to receive the fruits of their labor while at the same time giving them the same rewards as someone else who is much less skilled than they are. Silly bunny. Myth #3: Under socialism, there is no incentive to work Socialism rewards hard work, while under capitalism the richest people are the ones who do no work at all. In a socialist society, the working class controls the means of production and the fruits of its own labor and therefore has a real stake in the realization of its full capacity to produce. The main incentive to work under capitalism is the threat of being fired and starvation. Under socialism, a person is paid according to the work they do. Under capitalism, the least productive members of societyGÇöthe bankers and CEOsGÇögrow obscenely wealthy while working class people live paycheck to paycheck. Your analogy doesn-¦t refer to the afker, it would mean that the CEO of the corp, managing the PI, and the rewards of the mercs work, would be filthy rich, and you don-¦t get enough money from your work as a merc. Plus, you are forgetting all the other variables present. Why AFK? - Powergaming - Max reward/time - Boredom How to avoid AFK? - Powergaming (If you participate you get more SP than being AFK) - GIving interesting content to play with - Social response (Ban/Kick, Team Kill) May 6th will bring a lot of new things for people to play with, things that actually matter, and thing people will kill you for. Just try to be afk on a real corp match with a good contract at stake and the money of Planetary Interface on the table.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 406	Posted - 2013.04.12 14:05:00 - [165] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: No one is trying to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, you are struggling and flailing at the issue when no one is pushing it. CCP has the right to punish people who abuse game mechanics because it is their game. AFKers are in in many cases costing the teammates they leave to fight their battles for them ISK by not backing them up, thus CCP has an excuse to do so if they so wish. And they could very well refund AUR spent on boosters used to abuse a mechanic. Do they have the drive to do all of this? I doubt it. Will they? I'd bet $20 on no. And yet you insist on insulting people who are supplying no ideas whatsoever to CCP, we are just discussing how hilarious it would be if they did. Insecure much? Note: And you are really going to bash Fiend for taking 2 minutes to respond? Do you think he's refreshing the page every 2 seconds to see if you've graced him with a response? You need to get a grip Edit: And some bacon. Or get a firm grip on some bacon. Mmmmm.... bacon.... Actually what I would find hilarious is how bad of a hit in players CCP would have if they did this. I dont know how they are doing right now but I do know that if they were to implement one of these suggestions (for the lulz) then this game would die. There are enough people that I see AFKing that CCP would take a huge hit in the population that plays this game. If you think the game is bleeding players now if they were to do this they would have stopped bleeding players by cutting an artery. I honestly dont care what other people think of me and I enjoy all the people who cry over AFKers. I do play the game but I also mix in AFK......why? Simple if you create a system where you level out the rewards despite an individuals effort in the game then the individual will stop trying so hard and will simply start doing only the minimum requirement to earn the same amount of reward. Its human nature. This is why socialism/communism systems always fail. They rely on everyone working as hard as they would normally work if they were to receive the fruits of their labor while at the same time giving them the same rewards as someone else who is much less skilled than they are. Silly bunny. Myth #3: Under socialism, there is no incentive to work Socialism rewards hard work, while under capitalism the richest people are the ones who do no work at all. In a socialist society, the working class controls the means of production and the fruits of its own labor and therefore has a real stake in the realization of its full capacity to produce. The main incentive to work under capitalism is the threat of being fired and starvation. Under socialism, a person is paid according to the work they do. Under capitalism, the least productive members of societyGÇöthe bankers and CEOsGÇögrow obscenely wealthy while working class people live paycheck to paycheck. Your analogy doesn-¦t refer to the afker, it would mean that the CEO of the corp, managing the PI, and the rewards of the mercs work, would be filthy rich, and you don-¦t get enough money from your work as a merc. Plus, you are forgetting all the other variables present. Why AFK? - Powergaming - Max reward/time - Boredom How to avoid AFK? - Powergaming (If you participate you get more SP than being AFK) - GIving interesting content to play with - Social response (Ban/Kick, Team Kill) May 6th will bring a lot of new things for people to play with, things that actually matter, and thing people will kill you for. Just try to be afk on a real corp match with a good contract at stake and the money of Planetary Interface on the table. LOL is all I can say to that....LOL I wrote a long post to reply to this and then realized......I am waisting my time. You have obviously been indoctrinated to believe that the rich are evil or somehow none of them worked to earn their money. I have relatives that would beg to differ with you on that but hey you can believe what you want. What I post here will obviously not change your mind.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 59	Posted - 2013.04.12 14:10:00 - [166] - Quote I read a little more of this thread today and I just wanted to say that if the posting behavior of some of the involved parties is any indication of their typical behavior out in the real world, I mourn for the future of humanity. I'm not going to bother arguing the whole AFK issue anymore, though I do sincerely hope that CCP has some surprise ********* in store for the AFKers.
Kitten Commander Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 164	Posted - 2013.04.12 14:47:00 - [167] - Quote Thog A Kuma wrote: Kitten Commander wrote: Thog A Kuma wrote: BlG MAMA wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: ITT: People who feel like playing the game demonise AFKers to feed their own delusions of grandeur. FACT Not fact. An uneven distribution of AFK'urs is detrimental to the team with more, this affects K/D (some people care) and Dropsuit expenses, also the most important thing, Winning. Having a PRO on your team also has a negative impact on winning as well. Your point? ad homonym for what purpose? did I hurt your feelings? did you take offense because PRO makes you mad? you, your opinion of me or my corp are irrelevant to this discussion. Your response however makes it appear that you wish to change the subject. Most posting Pro AFK are Vocal and seem to be proud of it.Why bother trying to misdirect? Maybe a simple guilty conscious lol. AFK'urs are harmful to the game. It appears CCP doesn't want to take a stand on it (at this time) so it is quite legal. Harmful to the game, harmful to the team of random scrubs you don't care about. If there was such a thing as Karma it would be harmful to that too. Just not against the rules. Or maybe that its just that I feel sorry for the dead horse that continues to be beaten relentlessly. I didnt expect my 5 second reply to garner a novel in response but thanks for the effort.
Kitten Commander Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 164	Posted - 2013.04.12 14:49:00 - [168] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: No one is trying to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, you are struggling and flailing at the issue when no one is pushing it. CCP has the right to punish people who abuse game mechanics because it is their game. AFKers are in in many cases costing the teammates they leave to fight their battles for them ISK by not backing them up, thus CCP has an excuse to do so if they so wish. And they could very well refund AUR spent on boosters used to abuse a mechanic. Do they have the drive to do all of this? I doubt it. Will they? I'd bet $20 on no. And yet you insist on insulting people who are supplying no ideas whatsoever to CCP, we are just discussing how hilarious it would be if they did. Insecure much? Note: And you are really going to bash Fiend for taking 2 minutes to respond? Do you think he's refreshing the page every 2 seconds to see if you've graced him with a response? You need to get a grip Edit: And some bacon. Or get a firm grip on some bacon. Mmmmm.... bacon.... Actually what I would find hilarious is how bad of a hit in players CCP would have if they did this. I dont know how they are doing right now but I do know that if they were to implement one of these suggestions (for the lulz) then this game would die. There are enough people that I see AFKing that CCP would take a huge hit in the population that plays this game. If you think the game is bleeding players now if they were to do this they would have stopped bleeding players by cutting an artery. I honestly dont care what other people think of me and I enjoy all the people who cry over AFKers. I do play the game but I also mix in AFK......why? Simple if you create a system where you level out the rewards despite an individuals effort in the game then the individual will stop trying so hard and will simply start doing only the minimum requirement to earn the same amount of reward. Its human nature. This is why socialism/communism systems always fail. They rely on everyone working as hard as they would normally work if they were to receive the fruits of their labor while at the same time giving them the same rewards as someone else who is much less skilled than they are. Silly bunny. Myth #3: Under socialism, there is no incentive to work Socialism rewards hard work, while under capitalism the richest people are the ones who do no work at all. In a socialist society, the working class controls the means of production and the fruits of its own labor and therefore has a real stake in the realization of its full capacity to produce. The main incentive to work under capitalism is the threat of being fired and starvation. Under socialism, a person is paid according to the work they do. Under capitalism, the least productive members of societyGÇöthe bankers and CEOsGÇögrow obscenely wealthy while working class people live paycheck to paycheck. Your analogy doesn-¦t refer to the afker, it would mean that the CEO of the corp, managing the PI, and the rewards of the mercs work, would be filthy rich, and you don-¦t get enough money from your work as a merc. Plus, you are forgetting all the other variables present. Why AFK? - Powergaming - Max reward/time - Boredom How to avoid AFK? - Powergaming (If you participate you get more SP than being AFK) - GIving interesting content to play with - Social response (Ban/Kick, Team Kill) May 6th will bring a lot of new things for people to play with, things that actually matter, and thing people will kill you for. Just try to be afk on a real corp match with a good contract at stake and the money of Planetary Interface on the table. LOL is all I can say to that....LOL I wrote a long post to reply to this and then realized......I am waisting my time. You have obviously been indoctrinated to believe that the rich are evil or somehow none of them worked to earn their money. I have relatives that would beg to differ with you on that but hey you can believe what you want. What I post here will obviously not change your mind. You pretty much trolled yourself there bud. Its the same thing as beating your head against a wall to post anything serious in an AFK thread these days.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 26	Posted - 2013.04.12 14:58:00 - [169] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: No one is trying to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, you are struggling and flailing at the issue when no one is pushing it. CCP has the right to punish people who abuse game mechanics because it is their game. AFKers are in in many cases costing the teammates they leave to fight their battles for them ISK by not backing them up, thus CCP has an excuse to do so if they so wish. And they could very well refund AUR spent on boosters used to abuse a mechanic. Do they have the drive to do all of this? I doubt it. Will they? I'd bet $20 on no. And yet you insist on insulting people who are supplying no ideas whatsoever to CCP, we are just discussing how hilarious it would be if they did. Insecure much? Note: And you are really going to bash Fiend for taking 2 minutes to respond? Do you think he's refreshing the page every 2 seconds to see if you've graced him with a response? You need to get a grip Edit: And some bacon. Or get a firm grip on some bacon. Mmmmm.... bacon.... Actually what I would find hilarious is how bad of a hit in players CCP would have if they did this. I dont know how they are doing right now but I do know that if they were to implement one of these suggestions (for the lulz) then this game would die. There are enough people that I see AFKing that CCP would take a huge hit in the population that plays this game. If you think the game is bleeding players now if they were to do this they would have stopped bleeding players by cutting an artery. I honestly dont care what other people think of me and I enjoy all the people who cry over AFKers. I do play the game but I also mix in AFK......why? Simple if you create a system where you level out the rewards despite an individuals effort in the game then the individual will stop trying so hard and will simply start doing only the minimum requirement to earn the same amount of reward. Its human nature. This is why socialism/communism systems always fail. They rely on everyone working as hard as they would normally work if they were to receive the fruits of their labor while at the same time giving them the same rewards as someone else who is much less skilled than they are. Silly bunny. Myth #3: Under socialism, there is no incentive to work Socialism rewards hard work, while under capitalism the richest people are the ones who do no work at all. In a socialist society, the working class controls the means of production and the fruits of its own labor and therefore has a real stake in the realization of its full capacity to produce. The main incentive to work under capitalism is the threat of being fired and starvation. Under socialism, a person is paid according to the work they do. Under capitalism, the least productive members of societyGÇöthe bankers and CEOsGÇögrow obscenely wealthy while working class people live paycheck to paycheck. Your analogy doesn-¦t refer to the afker, it would mean that the CEO of the corp, managing the PI, and the rewards of the mercs work, would be filthy rich, and you don-¦t get enough money from your work as a merc. Plus, you are forgetting all the other variables present. Why AFK? - Powergaming - Max reward/time - Boredom How to avoid AFK? - Powergaming (If you participate you get more SP than being AFK) - GIving interesting content to play with - Social response (Ban/Kick, Team Kill) May 6th will bring a lot of new things for people to play with, things that actually matter, and thing people will kill you for. Just try to be afk on a real corp match with a good contract at stake and the money of Planetary Interface on the table. LOL is all I can say to that....LOL I wrote a long post to reply to this and then realized......I am waisting my time. You have obviously been indoctrinated to believe that the rich are evil or somehow none of them worked to earn their money. I have relatives that would beg to differ with you on that but hey you can believe what you want. What I post here will obviously not change your mind. The best way of avoiding a discussion is to end it with your own conclusions. Give me 6 numbers from 1-60 please, since your magic crystal ball can predict the future and probably read minds too. You used a bad analogy to explain a behaviour that have nothing to do with the analogy. People work because they like to be productive and do thing they like to. People that continue to do something after retirement live happly, and people that abruptly stop doing things tend to wither and die sooner. You can check studies in Occupational Health Psychology and who know, try to see the world a little bit differently than what looks like a simplifying dichotomy. I don-¦t want to enter an argument over socio/economic systems, specially if you are trying to use your personal references to explain the whole.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2529	Posted - 2013.04.12 16:11:00 - [170] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: I dont know how they are doing right now but I do know that if they were to implement one of these suggestions (for the lulz) then this game would die. There are enough people that I see AFKing that CCP would take a huge hit in the population that plays this game. Cutting out the cancer and making an example of them would only serve to strengthen the growing community, since new players wouldn't have to watch people sitting around doing nothing being rewarded in an FPS (and it would also deter people from abusing game mechanics, if they knew that at any point, CCP could and would punish them for their actions) To the person who wrote me an essay on EVE, EVE isn't an FPS. What flies in EVE isn't always going to fly in DUST, different games are in fact different

Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2013.04.12 16:17:00 - [171] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: I dont know how they are doing right now but I do know that if they were to implement one of these suggestions (for the lulz) then this game would die. There are enough people that I see AFKing that CCP would take a huge hit in the population that plays this game. Cutting out the cancer and making an example of them would only serve to strengthen the growing community, since new players wouldn't have to watch people sitting around doing nothing being rewarded in an FPS (and it would also deter people from abusing game mechanics, if they knew that at any point, CCP could and would punish them for their actions) To the person who wrote me an essay on EVE, EVE isn't an FPS. What flies in EVE isn't always going to fly in DUST, different games are in fact different You read the first 4-5 paragraphs and assumed i was talking about EVE?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2529	Posted - 2013.04.12 16:19:00 - [172] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: You read the first 4-5 paragraphs and assumed i was talking about EVE? I actually only read the first 4-5 lines, still waking up Alright, I read it, sorry about that bro. I agree with basically everything, except that it isn't an exploit. People aren't going to be in PC and Corp matches 23/7, no matter how many goodies they give us. People who feel entitled to earning SP in DUST for having their PS3s on won't change their mentality in the long run. If the option to exploit the system remains, they will continue to do so.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 411	Posted - 2013.04.12 16:24:00 - [173] - Quote People who afk farm simpley are not playing in the sprit of the game and quite frankly if ccp did somthing about it and they quit the game would be better off without them (would proabaly have to find a new corp though)
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2013.04.12 16:25:00 - [174] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: I dont know how they are doing right now but I do know that if they were to implement one of these suggestions (for the lulz) then this game would die. There are enough people that I see AFKing that CCP would take a huge hit in the population that plays this game. Cutting out the cancer and making an example of them would only serve to strengthen the growing community, since new players wouldn't have to watch people sitting around doing nothing being rewarded in an FPS (and it would also deter people from abusing game mechanics, if they knew that at any point, CCP could and would punish them for their actions) To the person who wrote me an essay on EVE, EVE isn't an FPS. What flies in EVE isn't always going to fly in DUST, different games are in fact different You read the first 4-5 paragraphs and assumed i was talking about EVE?
Balzich Rotaine Rotaine Shipping Inc 25	Posted - 2013.04.12 17:45:00 - [175] - Quote So wait a minute. Are you guys saying that when I'm out of town and have my wife log me in and sit in the mcc that I'm exploiting the game? How about the fact that I'm sitting in the mcc now and after I post this I'm going to hardies to get a frisco burger? Is that an exploit? I think not. What we call that round cheer is a good plan
Nirwanda Vaughns OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 38	Posted - 2013.04.12 19:46:00 - [176] - Quote Awww darn i not had a message yet :( tbf though i've just left it afk after capping while missus has been here so i don't miss out on the endurance prize at end the month. sex>dust these days
LXicon VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 78	Posted - 2013.04.12 21:54:00 - [177] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I still hold out that CCP has a way of tracking those who abuse this "mechanic" and have all SP gained that way removed in the Uprising update. Omg the lulz They've had ample time to discourage this and haven't done so. Retribution at this stage would be a really lame move. if you don't spawn, the voice says something to the effect of "your unwillingness to fight has been noted" and other "get back in the fight" type messages. i think that's enough to count as fair warning. i'd love to see all the threads pop up if AFK farmers lost all their ill-gotten SP during the SP respec. sweet karma
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 60	Posted - 2013.04.12 22:31:00 - [178] - Quote LXicon wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I still hold out that CCP has a way of tracking those who abuse this "mechanic" and have all SP gained that way removed in the Uprising update. Omg the lulz They've had ample time to discourage this and haven't done so. Retribution at this stage would be a really lame move. if you don't spawn, the voice says something to the effect of "your unwillingness to fight has been noted" and other "get back in the fight" type messages. i think that's enough to count as fair warning. i'd love to see all the threads pop up if AFK farmers lost all their ill-gotten SP during the SP respec. sweet karma The forums would most assuredly be washed clean by the epic flood of tears
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2013.04.12 23:04:00 - [179] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: You read the first 4-5 paragraphs and assumed i was talking about EVE? I actually only read the first 4-5 lines, still waking up Alright, I read it, sorry about that bro. I agree with basically everything, except that it isn't an exploit. People aren't going to be in PC and Corp matches 23/7, no matter how many goodies they give us. You-¦ve never been at alarm clock operations to save a tower or shoot a station =p DUST Fiend wrote: People who feel entitled to earning SP in DUST for having their PS3s on won't change their mentality in the long run. If the option to exploit the system remains, they will continue to do so. What i-¦m trying to say is that they *don-¦t need* to change their mentality, the other players will do this for them, be it by kicking them off the battle, or shooting them to death. The "problem" will be solved by the players, not by CCP =)
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2013.04.12 23:10:00 - [180] - Quote In EVE, fleet commanders tend to kill their stupid teammates to serve as an example of what not to do in fleets. We-¦ll be seeing a lot of teamkilling and kicking of people in Dust when the option is available =p



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