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Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 446	Posted - 2013.04.12 02:06:00 - [1] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I love how people still try to justify it to themselves, instead of just admitting how lame they are. This game, I'm tellin' ya. People underestimate CCP, read the terms and agreement, CCP doesn't need to tell us their gonna punish the AFK'ers, they simply are just gonna do it and when people kick up a **** storm about it CCP will laugh in their faces, proabalby with a response similiar to "What you complaining about? not like you played our game is it?" I'd love to see this for no other reason than I'm tired of seeing nerf threads and this would liven things up a bit. CCP: "What? Your upset we took points from you? We're upset you took advantage of a system that was implemented to help out players who suck at the game but still try. Cry me a river and get back to fighting if you want that SP back some time in the next month."
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 448	Posted - 2013.04.12 03:11:00 - [2] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: HTFU? Because people are abusing an exploit? You're rewarded because you're gaining SP, the primary component in this game to advancing yourself as a character, and you're gaining it by not playing the game. It's cut and dry, you're the ones who are complicating it. And the only thing pathetic is people AFKing lmfao Abusing an exploit??? IT'S NOT AN EXPLOIT. You get 5 SP per second. How is that an exploit? How is this different to a sniper off somewhere doing nothing in a mountain? Gets 0 kills, and 0 deaths? You're saying he's "abusing an exploit" too? I get passive SP from not playing the game also...does that make me a cheat? Your argument is brilliant as the 5sp per second mechanic CCP put in! I haven't seen a single comment from a Dev, or GM saying this is against rules. So until then, all you crybabies can keep shedding tears, taking names, and trying to TK. Crying on the forums about people being AFK is the most pathetic thing I've seen on this forum. "OOOH NOOOO HE'S GETTING SP FOR NOT PLAYING!! BOOO HOOO! QQ" While you're at it, complain about people using boosters against people who are not. They are obviously getting an advantage right? Must be an exploit! They're abusing it! Your right Lance, you're not abusing an exploit. You are abusing a mechanic that was put into the game in an attempt to help players who try their best and still fail to make decent SP earnings. All I'm saying is that if CCP doesn't punish you for abusing a mechanic meant for people who try but fail, that's fine with me since they plan to fix the system. But if they DO decide to snatch away all SP from matches in which you had less than a certain number of button presses or moved under a certain distance or whatever criteria they may or may not plan to use, it'll be funny as hell to watch all AFKers rage over loosing SP they risked nothing to earn. It'll be almost as satisfying as when missile tankers and dropship pilots got their missiles nerfed. ALMOST. My tear glass isn't in hand, but it's nearby just in case.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 448	Posted - 2013.04.12 03:24:00 - [3] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: HTFU? Because people are abusing an exploit? You're rewarded because you're gaining SP, the primary component in this game to advancing yourself as a character, and you're gaining it by not playing the game. It's cut and dry, you're the ones who are complicating it. And the only thing pathetic is people AFKing lmfao Abusing an exploit??? IT'S NOT AN EXPLOIT. You get 5 SP per second. How is that an exploit? How is this different to a sniper off somewhere doing nothing in a mountain? Gets 0 kills, and 0 deaths? You're saying he's "abusing an exploit" too? I get passive SP from not playing the game also...does that make me a cheat? Your argument is brilliant as the 5sp per second mechanic CCP put in! I haven't seen a single comment from a Dev, or GM saying this is against rules. So until then, all you crybabies can keep shedding tears, taking names, and trying to TK. Crying on the forums about people being AFK is the most pathetic thing I've seen on this forum. "OOOH NOOOO HE'S GETTING SP FOR NOT PLAYING!! BOOO HOOO! QQ" While you're at it, complain about people using boosters against people who are not. They are obviously getting an advantage right? Must be an exploit! They're abusing it! Your right Lance, you're not abusing an exploit. You are abusing a mechanic that was put into the game in an attempt to help players who try their best and still fail to make decent SP earnings. All I'm saying is that if CCP doesn't punish you for abusing a mechanic meant for people who try but fail, that's fine with me since they plan to fix the system. But if they DO decide to snatch away all SP from matches in which you had less than a certain number of button presses or moved under a certain distance or whatever criteria they may or may not plan to use, it'll be funny as hell to watch all AFKers rage over loosing SP they risked nothing to earn. It'll be almost as satisfying as when missile tankers and dropship pilots got their missiles nerfed. ALMOST. My tear glass isn't in hand, but it's nearby just in case. Hey, I'll be on a mountain sniping... don't ever say I didn't try cuz I went 0-0... i'm a terrible sniper Edit: CCP can't take away SP from people who used boosters. They never commented about it being a cheat, so unless they want to refund people their money back, they can't take away SP. Demanding that they do is being a drama queen. No demanding here, just hoping to see the fireworks. As for sniping, give the charged rifle with 3 complex damage mods a chance. OHK's 99% of all militia suits, scouts and Type-l non-heavies, and there are plenty out there right now since vet's are bleeding out of the game lately. You're bound to get lucky once or twice a match and at least connect a shot. As for boosters/AUR/SP/etc take-backs/refunds, they may be considering it. You never know what they'll do when under pressure: http://www.dust411.com/2013/04/10/merc-pack-refund-debate-update/
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 448	Posted - 2013.04.12 05:13:00 - [4] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: As for boosters/AUR/SP/etc take-backs/refunds, they may be considering it. You never know what they'll do when under pressure: http://www.dust411.com/2013/04/10/merc-pack-refund-debate-update/ On this: There is no reason to believe SP will be deducted. CCP hasn't spoken to that with regards to the reimbursement program. I wasn't suggesting there was cause to think they would, I've said several times I'm fine whether or not they do it. I was pointing out that if enough people pressure CCP, it might happen. They do all kinds of things due to audience pressure, and if they are planning to refund merc packs, boosters and all, the only way to not give away free SP boosters and AUR would be to remove SP gained via boosters. Which is a possibility as far as I can tell since they've yet to say it's off the table. And if there is a chance they will be messing with peoples SP allotments, there's also a chance that they may penalize at least those players who openly admit to abusing a mechanic publicly. Like, say, here in the forums. Where it's all been flaunted for the world to see what they did.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 449	Posted - 2013.04.12 06:10:00 - [5] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: A new fad coming soon - AFK forum like farming. and lulz were had by all
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 451	Posted - 2013.04.12 08:12:00 - [6] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Havent red the whole thread but from what i saw, there are people defending the possibility to afk ? I'll be honest and admit i'm MCC afking myself while cleaning my apartment, cooking and i'm late on cap. Though, i'm still in favor of making afking NOT possible. I LOL at all those trying to demonstrate that afk is ok. 1) Lore Wise : You take a contract from an NPC corp and you're getting paid. The most logical choice for those npc corp when you dont or pretend to fight would be to just pop you off the BF. No reward, No SP. bye merc. 2) Gameplay wise : This is a FPS. Afk all you want mining in EVE. But being able to idle in an FPS is just idiotic. Anyone that will say otherwise is either an uber-cowardly Carebear or an 8y-old that doesnt know anything about FPS. Yet, i would tend to agree with those saying that AFK till now is CCP's fault. Not the players. Creating a mechanics that just screeeeeeeeeeeeams AFK and never reacting to any complaints from the player right when it started is on them. Punishing the players now would be as idiotic as the system itself. Just as a reminder : here's a thread posted DAY ONE they announced the 5SP per sec in battle. When we got a daily LOLZ Cap at the same time :https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=457946#post457946 So NO ! no way CCP gets to punish players when they got warned day one this would ruin skirmish. While I agree with you totally on 90% of your post, I have to say that just because CCP was warned that it would happen doesn't mean CCP can't punish people for abusing a mechanic in a way that it was not meant to be used. Let me put it into a hypothetical: "A store (CCP) sells goods (distribute SP). They decide to donate goods to a pantry (give 5 SP per second) in order to help and feed poor and homeless people (help poor/terrible players). People who work at the shelter (AFKers) can legally skim goods off of the top (AFK farm) to help themselves out (breeze through matches without risking ISK) while disadvantaging the poor further (leaving others to play without team support). Just because these people (AFKers) CAN skim goods (AFK farm) legally off the top (at the expense of others) doesn't mean the store (CCP) supplying the goods (SP) can't penalize those people by adjusting prices on goods in their store (adjust SP totals) when they shop at their store (play Dust) if the store (CCP) finds out who was skimming (who was AFK farming)." Not saying they should, but they do have that right.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 451	Posted - 2013.04.12 08:40:00 - [7] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Havent red the whole thread but from what i saw, there are people defending the possibility to afk ? I'll be honest and admit i'm MCC afking myself while cleaning my apartment, cooking and i'm late on cap. Though, i'm still in favor of making afking NOT possible. I LOL at all those trying to demonstrate that afk is ok. 1) Lore Wise : You take a contract from an NPC corp and you're getting paid. The most logical choice for those npc corp when you dont or pretend to fight would be to just pop you off the BF. No reward, No SP. bye merc. 2) Gameplay wise : This is a FPS. Afk all you want mining in EVE. But being able to idle in an FPS is just idiotic. Anyone that will say otherwise is either an uber-cowardly Carebear or an 8y-old that doesnt know anything about FPS. Yet, i would tend to agree with those saying that AFK till now is CCP's fault. Not the players. Creating a mechanics that just screeeeeeeeeeeeams AFK and never reacting to any complaints from the player right when it started is on them. Punishing the players now would be as idiotic as the system itself. Just as a reminder : here's a thread posted DAY ONE they announced the 5SP per sec in battle. When we got a daily LOLZ Cap at the same time :https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=457946#post457946 So NO ! no way CCP gets to punish players when they got warned day one this would ruin skirmish. While I agree with you totally on 90% of your post, I have to say that just because CCP was warned that it would happen doesn't mean CCP can't punish people for abusing a mechanic in a way that it was not meant to be used. Let me put it into a hypothetical: "A store (CCP) sells goods (distribute SP). They decide to donate goods to a pantry (give 5 SP per second) in order to help and feed poor and homeless people (help poor/terrible players). People who work at the shelter (AFKers) can legally skim goods off of the top (AFK farm) to help themselves out (breeze through matches without risking ISK) while disadvantaging the poor further (leaving others to play without team support). Just because these people (AFKers) CAN skim goods (AFK farm) legally off the top (at the expense of others) doesn't mean the store (CCP) supplying the goods (SP) can't penalize those people by adjusting prices on goods in their store (adjust SP totals) when they shop at their store (play Dust) if the store (CCP) finds out who was skimming (who was AFK farming)." Not saying they should, but they do have that right. Yeah cuz CCP is all about helping the needy, its not like they are a corporation trying to make money from you. how generous of them to take away my sp I guess the $40 wasnt enough Another bright idea from the dust 514 fans, screw the players. Must be hard managing CCP as a buisness. Not being ripped off is like stealing from the homeless and getting away with it. The game is free, you spending money on it is a result of you wanting to, not of CCP's status as a corporation. You spending $40 on a free game has no bearing on you abusing an in-game mechanic. If you used a booster while AFKing and CCP decides to punish you for it, it's not CCP's fault you decided to abuse game mechanics while using RL money. And you aren't a player if you are AFKing and not playing the game, so how is it screwing over players?
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 451	Posted - 2013.04.12 08:45:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: "A store (CCP) sells goods (distribute SP). They decide to donate goods to a pantry (give 5 SP per second) in order to help and feed poor and homeless people (help poor/terrible players). People who work at the shelter (AFKers) can legally skim goods off of the top (AFK farm) to help themselves out (breeze through matches without risking ISK) while disadvantaging the poor further (leaving others to play without team support). Just because these people (AFKers) CAN skim goods (AFK farm) legally off the top (at the expense of others) doesn't mean the store (CCP) supplying the goods (SP) can't penalize those people by adjusting prices on goods in their store (adjust SP totals) when they shop at their store (play Dust) if the store (CCP) finds out who was skimming (who was AFK farming)." Dude. +1.... ::slow clap:: takes off hat and bows I love using a good hypothetical situation to provide an analogy. I just need to do it more often.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 451	Posted - 2013.04.12 09:24:00 - [9] - Quote No one is trying to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, you are struggling and flailing at the issue when no one is pushing it. CCP has the right to punish people who abuse game mechanics because it is their game. AFKers are in in many cases costing the teammates they leave to fight their battles for them ISK by not backing them up, thus CCP has an excuse to do so if they so wish. And they could very well refund AUR spent on boosters used to abuse a mechanic. Do they have the drive to do all of this? I doubt it. Will they? I'd bet $20 on no. And yet you insist on insulting people who are supplying no ideas whatsoever to CCP, we are just discussing how hilarious it would be if they did. Insecure much? Note: And you are really going to bash Fiend for taking 2 minutes to respond? Do you think he's refreshing the page every 2 seconds to see if you've graced him with a response? You need to get a grip
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 451	Posted - 2013.04.12 11:18:00 - [10] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: No one is trying to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, you are struggling and flailing at the issue when no one is pushing it. CCP has the right to punish people who abuse game mechanics because it is their game. AFKers are in in many cases costing the teammates they leave to fight their battles for them ISK by not backing them up, thus CCP has an excuse to do so if they so wish. And they could very well refund AUR spent on boosters used to abuse a mechanic. Do they have the drive to do all of this? I doubt it. Will they? I'd bet $20 on no. And yet you insist on insulting people who are supplying no ideas whatsoever to CCP, we are just discussing how hilarious it would be if they did. Insecure much? Note: And you are really going to bash Fiend for taking 2 minutes to respond? Do you think he's refreshing the page every 2 seconds to see if you've graced him with a response? You need to get a grip Edit: And some bacon. Or get a firm grip on some bacon. Mmmmm.... bacon.... Where in the terms and conditions of this game does it say CCP has the right to punish me if i "abuse game mechanics"? I never insulted anybody, if you felt insulted its because youre insecure and then felt the need to insult me, the irony. Im just discussing how ridiculous your argument is, find in the terms and conditions where they can "punish players" for "abusing game mechanics" Edit: Put that bacon in your pipe and smoke it you need to stop inventing rights. Where I come from, this is considered insulting: Quote: It took you a whole 2 minutes to come up with that? http://www.butnotyet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jesus-facepalm.jpg And Terms and Conditions that apply: Part 1: "You acknowledge and agree that CCP may collect and store User Gameplay Information about you, both as an individual and aggregated with the User Gameplay Information of other users of the Game and the System. In addition, you acknowledge and agree that CCP may analyse and use such User Gameplay Information for the purposes of review, research, development, maintenance, operation, administration, and support, and for the marketing of CCP products and services." Part 2: "You hereby irrevocably, and without additional consideration beyond the rights granted to you herein, assign to CCP any and all right, title and interest you have, including copyrights, in or to any and all information you exchange, transmit or upload to the System or while playing the Game, including without limitation all files, data and information comprising or manifesting corporations, groups, titles, characters and other attributes of your Account, together with all objects and items acquired or developed by, or delivered by or to characters, in your Account." Part 3: "You hereby grant CCP an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, irrevocable, assignable, royalty-free license, fully sublicensable through multiple tiers, to exercise all intellectual property and other rights, in and to all or any part of your User Content, in any medium now known or hereafter developed." http://dust514.com/eula/Source ____________________ Now, for part 1 detailed for you: ad-+min-+is-+tra-+tion n. 1. The act or process of administering, especially the management of a government or large institution. 2. The activity of a government or state in the exercise of its powers and duties. 3.The term of office of an executive officer or body. 4. Law Management and disposal of a trust or estate. So basically can use data they have gained (your SP accumulation) for administrative purposes (see above definition). Part 2 detailed: They own any information your account produces and any info it may transmit. Part 3 detailed: They have the right to do anything they want to your account without your permission. Now then, bed time.

Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 460	Posted - 2013.04.12 23:41:00 - [11] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: In EVE, fleet commanders tend to kill their stupid teammates to serve as an example of what not to do in fleets. We-¦ll be seeing a lot of teamkilling and kicking of people in Dust when the option is available =p CCP has said it is unlikely that TKing will ever be put into pub matches back when we had a big debate about it a month ago. Which means..... no, the players wont be able to fix it.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 461	Posted - 2013.04.12 23:56:00 - [12] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: In EVE, fleet commanders tend to kill their stupid teammates to serve as an example of what not to do in fleets. We-¦ll be seeing a lot of teamkilling and kicking of people in Dust when the option is available =p CCP has said it is unlikely that TKing will ever be put into pub matches back when we had a big debate about it a month ago. Which means..... no, the players wont be able to fix it. I meant at corp matches. Im not considering playing on pub ones, thr same way i dont fleet up with strangers in eve. Loooooots of room to be killed or messed up by strangers. Do you really expect people to AFK during corp matches when planets are on the line? If it happens, it'll only be the once. Also, do you really expect to invite strangers to fight for you in corp matches?
Baal Omniscient Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 463	Posted - 2013.04.13 15:47:00 - [13] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: In EVE, fleet commanders tend to kill their stupid teammates to serve as an example of what not to do in fleets. We-¦ll be seeing a lot of teamkilling and kicking of people in Dust when the option is available =p CCP has said it is unlikely that TKing will ever be put into pub matches back when we had a big debate about it a month ago. Which means..... no, the players wont be able to fix it. I meant at corp matches. Im not considering playing on pub ones, thr same way i dont fleet up with strangers in eve. Loooooots of room to be killed or messed up by strangers. Do you really expect people to AFK during corp matches when planets are on the line? If it happens, it'll only be the once. Also, do you really expect to invite strangers to fight for you in corp matches? That is exactly what i-¦ve been saying all the time! Pub matches doesn-¦t matter (for me at least), and corp matches won-¦t tolerate afk players. No problem to be solved. Just because you don't care about pub matches doesn't mean they don't matter. Pub matches will still be used plenty for new players and people who want a break from PC/FW. Not fixing them would be terrible.

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