Honestly dropships should be a 4th of their price , and on top of that, there should be a weak bpo dropship so that we can get some pilots in this game.

I hate you.

That is all.

Are they overpriced?? Yes, they are overpriced because they don't last long in a match. Also, they don't give any war points.... there is no point in skilling into them, since even if you have the best dropship, you're going to get shot down like cake!!!

CaaaKKKeee!!!

I hate you.

That is all.

Honestly dropships should be a 4th of their price , and on top of that, there should be a weak bpo dropship so that we can get some pilots in this game.

no bpo's ever.

makes 2 million isk ds cannon fodder for one hit ko suicide air collisions.

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Translated.

Despite the best efforts by the OP, this thread holds some very valid points. Seems to me that whenever I try using a dropship, blueberries never get in, but it seems to be priority 1 to destroy.
Maybe we can use the hate for dropships as a distraction on the battlefield!

Distraction points: every time an enemy dies whilst looking at a dropship, the pilot earns 20wp.

Dropships are OP. They can fly.

no bpo's ever.

makes 2 million isk ds cannon fodder for one hit ko suicide air collisions.

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Funny, I've seen DS last all match long while taking out tanks, installations, other DS, all the little bunnys running around on the ground. Pilot gets tons of SP cause hes SQ lead and has the defend order on the DS.

The real problem is they can be difficult to learn, so there aren't many good pilots. And you NEED gunners who can shoot.

I call BS on this, the last pilot that proclaimed this I wasted in one reload, I was quite sure the last two shots wheren't needed.

what is bpo?

what is bpo?

I can take a free lav and ram a tank and blow it up, i can even divebomb a viper dropship into a friendly tank and blow it up. what is your point?

Allow me to educate you. When you crash a Lav into a tank, it does a very minimal and finite amount of damage. A good tank could shrug off an entire team of constant lav battery. BUT

A drop-ship colliding with a drop-ship is an instant 1 hit KO through all shields and armor for both parties. And not only does it bring the armor to zero but triggers the "death spiral" from which if you use a repair unit, no repair will happen. And full control is lost of the vehicle till it plummets to the earth for explosive impact.

Do you now see the difference? The problem?


Additionally a viper crashing into a tank does as much damage to the tank as a Lav. Except it cost 150k ISK and the viper will die instantly upon impact.

you are wrong, I do suicide dropship bombings all the time, hell I could face you right now and your tank has no chance.

I've had significantly more credible sources tell me otherwise, video or I just don't believe you.

Okay, a couple points and a long story.
Dropships are not overpriced. Simple as that.
When used properly a dropship can provide a constant flow of friendlies into the weakest parts of enemy territory. I have been in a dozen games where this alone has turned the tides of an entire battle. If you don't see how that is possible I can detail exactly how hard it is for an enemy to hold ground in their own territory when they are having heavy machine-gunners dropping in around them from every direction and snipers suddenly sprouting from their own roofs.
Yes, dropships are NOT the easiest things to fly, but with minimal practice you ought to be able to figure it out.
To expand on both this and the distraction factor: occasionally for fun I will call in a simple militia dropship. I used to pilot a lot in the first builds so I enjoy taking these things to their limits, I have crashed a couple by doing stupid (but crazy cool!!) stunts but I have also caused such a huge distraction in some matches just with my presence that my team has won the game. A prime example of this is a game a couple months ago on manus peak.
The enemy sniper coverage was insane. They had heavys rolling my team on the ground, I was running solo for once and as usual the blue-dots weren't doing ****. I decided I would have some fun rather than waste my isk and efforts on them so I called in a dropship. I began doing aerial manouvres for fun, getting as close to the ground as fast as possible and flying up the gentral road from a-c-b at top speed about two feet above the ground. This TERRIFIED the other team, every single player was suddenly armed with swarms and forges but nobody could hit me because I was putting everything I had into flying. I was squishing snipers on hills with the tip of my dropship, dodging an OB, tauntinglr flying by a foot in front of an armed railgun at top speed and generally just having an extremely enjoyable time. While I was doing this my bluedots finally took some initiative and hacked EVERYTHING. Suddenly the game that we were losing by about 75% swings around for a solid victory. This is with an un-edited militia dropship, solo on a bored night people, imagine if I'd had gunners and an uplink! Or had even practiced flying the new mechanics more than once before this? Overpriced? I don't think so. I have never laughed so hard while playing a videogame, maybe try Priceless.
As for bpo, this was done in the earlier builds and was removed for MANY reasons, we've moved past this.
And finally, OP: TaLkInG lIkE ThIs PiSsEs EvErYoNe OfF. It's not clever and if you want any kind of future in New Eden I'd suggest you cut it now.

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CaaaKKKeee!!!

Sorry but nobody is or ever has been terrified of a dropship. The fact that they all switched to AV is because they just wanted a free kill and to knock you out of 150k.

Furthermore if a single one of those players had a militia forge gun, and two opposable thumbs they could have knocked you right out of the air within the span of 4 seconds or less.

The only way for a cheap drop-ship to survive a map where one player has a militia FG is to hide behind a hill or building the entire game. FG are incredibly easy to aim too. Any player half trying could nail you at max range, first shot, no problem.

Tldr?

Then why didn't they? Like I said, just about every player on the map was firing at me, WITH forge guns and swarms, I'm pretty sure I recognized them by the massive rounds of blue plasma zipping by me. And as far as "hiding behind a building"? As I just said I was flying DIRECTLY THROUGH the burnzones. At ground level. I don't think it's possible to get any further from hiding. If I recall I went behind the tower a single time to recharge my shield from a couple lucky swarms. And as far as a terror factor? You try running a heavy or assault, shooting at the reddots to turn around to see an honest to dust dropship bearing down on you at full speed. Or maybe sniping from a mountaintop to suddenly hear the rapidly approaching engine of my ship just to be squished before you can even comprehend what is going on.From some of the messages I have recieved from the victims after these kinds of games I have gathered it can be RATHER disconcerting to say the very least.

If this were an isolated incident then I might tend to agree especially considering most bluedots performance.
However, as I mentioned earlier, I have done this multiple times. And there are still the other pilots I have watched that were about a hundred times better. A dropship doesn't need to OUTRUN a swarm shot, if the pilot knows the map well enough he/she has plenty of time to dodge around a tower or drop to ground level and have them explode harmlessly off hills. Dodging a forge gun is like dodging sniper fire, if you run in a predictable line or pattern for too long then yeah, you'll get shot down. Clearly you think very strongly that this is impossible while I have seen it not to be and I don't see any point in continuing this topic. The only point here is that I believe, for what it is CAPABLE of in the right hands, the dropship is not overpriced. Though now that I think of it, if you (not you specifically, just those that think it's op) can't fly it and think it is so weak then why on earth do you care about it's price? If anything you should be happy if you really believe they are all so easy to shoot down, more money for you. Really, with that logic this whole thread is rather pointless is it not?

I've had significantly more credible sources tell me otherwise, video or I just don't believe you.

With any amount of willpower and several or more braincells on the opposing team that simply will not happen.
If and when it does, is only a testament to apathy or failhards.

no bpo's ever.

Once upon a time when there was only one map all the militia vehicles were free. Snipers taxied up tall buildings, militia vehicles were blown up left and right, aeriel bumper cars was an art form, forge gun shots sometimes passed through targets leaving them unharmed, and my fatty suit came with a swarm launcher, man I hated those days.

I have not done Dropships in this build for one reason. It is insanely skill intensive, ever other sp-wipe after getting into them it took forever again to get up the support skills to properly fit Dropships. My tank on them never felt right without meta three or better.

This time going to get the foot game right and save vehicles for when the skill point total is closer to ten mil.

If at all... that listed skill list from the test server may indicate a higher sp curve to fit vehicles.

Alright dude, that's your opinion, you clearly think a LOT of it and you're entitled to it, just don't act like it's some ultimate truth. I'm sure we could argue this all night but I'm done with this line of conversation

Asking for proof while not showing any, nice.

As do you with yours : /
That's fine. I'm no crack shot but when I'm playing and a ds comes out it lasts on average as long as it takes till I have line of sight for >3 seconds. Usually I'm the first or only one to try killing it but it's easy cheesey and I know if I can do it, virtually anyone who wants to can. Fully skilled and fitted DS (costing between 7-900k) can take some hits from a militia fg and bug out but they're toast to anything better.

It is my strong opinion that it's nearly impossible to MISS with a fg given line of sight. And that it's easy to put yourself in a good vantage point if they person pilot is being more erratic. The ship is huge and the shot is near instant. Least it by nearly a reticule off from it's trajectory, and just let go of the trigger. It's harder to jump and miss the ground than fail a fg shot.

That being said I wish you the best of luck, and hope it keeps up as well as it has been. Lastly, for you and anyone who hasn't tried it I'd highly suggest making a militia FG fit and just swapping right to it anytime you see a DS called in. It's both fun and will demonstrate through experience just how far a little determination and a forge gun can go against any DS.

See this guy that said "a pilot needs to know the map well enough" well what about when we have hundreds of maps to play on? You cant expect a pilot to know every spot to hide! AV vs Dropships is broken at the moment. The way to fix it is to implement those countermeasures

the shield tanked ones are great because it can tank swarms well and there arent that many people that skilled into forge guns.

Isn't the DS supposed to get an additional pilot controlled turret next build and hopefully un-nerfed as well?

I call BS on this, the last pilot that proclaimed this I wasted in one reload, I was quite sure the last two shots wheren't needed.

Funny, I've seen DS last all match long while taking out tanks, installations, other DS, all the little bunnys running around on the ground. Pilot gets tons of SP cause hes SQ lead and has the defend order on the DS.

The real problem is they can be difficult to learn, so there aren't many good pilots. And you NEED gunners who can shoot.

A good pilot and a few proto blasters can be a nightmare for infantry and with railguns? Well those militia and standard tanks will go down quick too.

Isn't the DS supposed to get an additional pilot controlled turret next build and hopefully un-nerfed as well?

Idk. I've met a few DS pilots who can solo proto tanks and not die the whole match. Theyre too hard to use tho.

Then why didn't they? Like I said, just about every player on the map was firing at me, WITH forge guns and swarms, I'm pretty sure I recognized them by the massive rounds of blue plasma zipping by me. And as far as "hiding behind a building"? As I just said I was flying DIRECTLY THROUGH the burnzones. At ground level. I don't think it's possible to get any further from hiding. If I recall I went behind the tower a single time to recharge my shield from a couple lucky swarms. And as far as a terror factor? You try running a heavy or assault, shooting at the reddots to turn around to see an honest to dust dropship bearing down on you at full speed. Or maybe sniping from a mountaintop to suddenly hear the rapidly approaching engine of my ship just to be squished before you can even comprehend what is going on.From some of the messages I have recieved from the victims after these kinds of games I have gathered it can be RATHER disconcerting to say the very least.

A good pilot and a few proto blasters can be a nightmare for infantry and with railguns? Well those militia and standard tanks will go down quick too.

See the problem here is that real dropship pilots want to support their team. I can survive a whole match by just doing fancy flying, but I want two of my corpmates to hop into these proto blasters that I skilled into and shoot some things on the ground. To do that, I have to slow down and give them a stable platform to fire from. When a forge gun begins firing on me, I have to build inertia to get out of there, and I don't always make it. If a railgun starts firing on me, I generally don't have time to even begin moving before the second shot lands. My Myron has like 4.6K shields these days, and I'm getting 2-shotted by rails.

TL;DR Real pilots like war points, not your ballerina sh*t.

As of right now I want to skill more into dropships, but my dropships is militia and is basically an elevator and nothing more. The standard dropship is great for swiftly deploying infantry and the prototype is great for antieverything if you fit it with toptier mods.

you can`t solo a tank nvm a proto tank in a DS nitill the Assault varrients come out since you need passangers to man the guns.... inless you comacazii.....

I believe he meant that a dropship with two gunners could solo a proto tank, which is possible because i've done it before. I was one of gunners on a dropship and we took out a sagaris, I even got the kill shot on the tank and the driver when he jumped out. It's possible, it was just extremely hard even with proto accelerated missle turrets.

Also for the following comment of the 1 I quoted, yes you can even take out the best geared Madrouger 9that wa sbefore people got the Suryas and Sagerieses skills to the neccisary lvs) out even if he is a good tanker with 1 Ion scattered blaster turret, takes about 5 minutes though and he needs a useless team backing him up. (aswell as a bunch of other thigns but yes its possible).

As of right now I want to skill more into dropships, but my dropships is militia and is basically an elevator and nothing more. The standard dropship is great for swiftly deploying infantry and the prototype is great for antieverything if you fit it with toptier mods.

My apologies, I was replying to Harkon because he's in my corp and I happen to be that pilot that he's referring to with the proto blasters.

Actually (so I've heard) the prototype one can't do a thing. It's got less CPU and PG because of the onboard CRU. I'm not speaking from experience, but I've heard you can't quite tank it as hard.

Guys he's not saying Dropships ARE or IS Overpowered. He specifically said Dropship Op. Meaning Dropship Operation.

You'll need Vehicle Command 4 and Piloting 1. Then it's your choice between the Gallente (armor) or Caldari (shield) dropship.

Guys he's not saying Dropships ARE or IS Overpowered. He specifically said Dropship Op. Meaning Dropship Operation.

You'll need Vehicle Command 4 and Piloting 1. Then it's your choice between the Gallente (armor) or Caldari (shield) dropship.

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CaaaKKKeee!!!

Just know that when fighters come to Dust- The dropships will become the LAV'S of the sky

Just know that when fighters come to Dust- The dropships will become the LAV'S of the sky

says the guy who attampts to sideswipe my DS but then gets plasmad from my Scattered Ion Blaster being backed up by turret oporations of lv5 all across the board.

anyways, the jets fly quite diffrently then the DSes and i can do backflips/ loops very easily so....

Stop making up storys. Makeing me look bad.

Honestly dropships should be a 4th of their price , and on top of that, there should be a weak bpo dropship so that we can get some pilots in this game.

Funny, I've seen DS last all match long while taking out tanks, installations, other DS, all the little bunnys running around on the ground. Pilot gets tons of SP cause hes SQ lead and has the defend order on the DS.

The real problem is they can be difficult to learn, so there aren't many good pilots. And you NEED gunners who can shoot.

Stop making up storys. Makeing me look bad.

Anyone who is semi-competent at AV will be able to take care of a dropship. The only way I could see them living is on some very specific maps that have a lot of convenient places to hide behind, but if the dropship is hiding all match it might as well not be there in the first place.

Dropships are viewed as UP because of how early in the games development there in. Idealy dropships should be used in the big 24 v24 man teams as an easy entry and escape vessel. "WHERE CUT OFF AT B WE NEED AN EVAC NOW" and so god (the mcc commander) sends his angel (the dropship) to rescue them. On route back to base they find out another area is getting overwhelmed so they go and reinforce that place instead.

That's how dropships should be used. Not as the gunships that everyone expects them to behave like. Believe me when I say that good dropship pilots are going to be very valuable when the game modes get a little bit bigger.

I agree in general with this but currently they are our only Gunship atm. But they should not be expected to be flying tanks which is what people seem to keep wanting. It looks like some more variants are on the way that could be filling the role people want.

But currently with good piloting and vigilance you can zoom in, support squads on the ground, zoom out again when needed. Pop out somewhere else to take out a tank or AV then disappear again. The larger battles to come would make this roll much more useful, but for now its basically experimenting with what you can do.

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CaaaKKKeee!!!

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