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Flux Raeder
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:20:00 -
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Okay, a couple points and a long story. Dropships are not overpriced. Simple as that. When used properly a dropship can provide a constant flow of friendlies into the weakest parts of enemy territory. I have been in a dozen games where this alone has turned the tides of an entire battle. If you don't see how that is possible I can detail exactly how hard it is for an enemy to hold ground in their own territory when they are having heavy machine-gunners dropping in around them from every direction and snipers suddenly sprouting from their own roofs. Yes, dropships are NOT the easiest things to fly, but with minimal practice you ought to be able to figure it out. To expand on both this and the distraction factor: occasionally for fun I will call in a simple militia dropship. I used to pilot a lot in the first builds so I enjoy taking these things to their limits, I have crashed a couple by doing stupid (but crazy cool!!) stunts but I have also caused such a huge distraction in some matches just with my presence that my team has won the game. A prime example of this is a game a couple months ago on manus peak. The enemy sniper coverage was insane. They had heavys rolling my team on the ground, I was running solo for once and as usual the blue-dots weren't doing ****. I decided I would have some fun rather than waste my isk and efforts on them so I called in a dropship. I began doing aerial manouvres for fun, getting as close to the ground as fast as possible and flying up the gentral road from a-c-b at top speed about two feet above the ground. This TERRIFIED the other team, every single player was suddenly armed with swarms and forges but nobody could hit me because I was putting everything I had into flying. I was squishing snipers on hills with the tip of my dropship, dodging an OB, tauntinglr flying by a foot in front of an armed railgun at top speed and generally just having an extremely enjoyable time. While I was doing this my bluedots finally took some initiative and hacked EVERYTHING. Suddenly the game that we were losing by about 75% swings around for a solid victory. This is with an un-edited militia dropship, solo on a bored night people, imagine if I'd had gunners and an uplink! Or had even practiced flying the new mechanics more than once before this? Overpriced? I don't think so. I have never laughed so hard while playing a videogame, maybe try Priceless. As for bpo, this was done in the earlier builds and was removed for MANY reasons, we've moved past this. And finally, OP: TaLkInG lIkE ThIs PiSsEs EvErYoNe OfF. It's not clever and if you want any kind of future in New Eden I'd suggest you cut it now. |
Flux Raeder
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:32:00 -
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PS: A dropship is only as good as it's pilot, I don't care how much money you spent on it or if it is fully maxed out, if you suck at flying it it won't make a difference. I am by no means a pro pliot, not a even a great one, but I have seen some who are. There are some pilots out there that will blow your mind with their ability to effortlessly dodge everything you throw at em while STILL providing full support for their team |
Flux Raeder
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:46:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Okay, a couple points and a long story. Dropships are not overpriced. Simple as that. When used properly a dropship can provide a constant flow of friendlies into the weakest parts of enemy territory. I have been in a dozen games where this alone has turned the tides of an entire battle. If you don't see how that is possible I can detail exactly how hard it is for an enemy to hold ground in their own territory when they are having heavy machine-gunners dropping in around them from every direction and snipers suddenly sprouting from their own roofs. Yes, dropships are NOT the easiest things to fly, but with minimal practice you ought to be able to figure it out. To expand on both this and the distraction factor: occasionally for fun I will call in a simple militia dropship. I used to pilot a lot in the first builds so I enjoy taking these things to their limits, I have crashed a couple by doing stupid (but crazy cool!!) stunts but I have also caused such a huge distraction in some matches just with my presence that my team has won the game. A prime example of this is a game a couple months ago on manus peak. The enemy sniper coverage was insane. They had heavys rolling my team on the ground, I was running solo for once and as usual the blue-dots weren't doing ****. I decided I would have some fun rather than waste my isk and efforts on them so I called in a dropship. I began doing aerial manouvres for fun, getting as close to the ground as fast as possible and flying up the gentral road from a-c-b at top speed about two feet above the ground. This TERRIFIED the other team, every single player was suddenly armed with swarms and forges but nobody could hit me because I was putting everything I had into flying. I was squishing snipers on hills with the tip of my dropship, dodging an OB, tauntinglr flying by a foot in front of an armed railgun at top speed and generally just having an extremely enjoyable time. While I was doing this my bluedots finally took some initiative and hacked EVERYTHING. Suddenly the game that we were losing by about 75% swings around for a solid victory. This is with an un-edited militia dropship, solo on a bored night people, imagine if I'd had gunners and an uplink! Or had even practiced flying the new mechanics more than once before this? Overpriced? I don't think so. I have never laughed so hard while playing a videogame, maybe try Priceless. As for bpo, this was done in the earlier builds and was removed for MANY reasons, we've moved past this. And finally, OP: TaLkInG lIkE ThIs PiSsEs EvErYoNe OfF. It's not clever and if you want any kind of future in New Eden I'd suggest you cut it now. Sorry but nobody is or ever has been terrified of a dropship. The fact that they all switched to AV is because they just wanted a free kill and to knock you out of 150k. Furthermore if a single one of those players had a militia forge gun, and two opposable thumbs they could have knocked you right out of the air within the span of 4 seconds or less. The only way for a cheap drop-ship to survive a map where one player has a militia FG is to hide behind a hill or building the entire game. FG are incredibly easy to aim too. Any player half trying could nail you at max range, first shot, no problem. Then why didn't they? Like I said, just about every player on the map was firing at me, WITH forge guns and swarms, I'm pretty sure I recognized them by the massive rounds of blue plasma zipping by me. And as far as "hiding behind a building"? As I just said I was flying DIRECTLY THROUGH the burnzones. At ground level. I don't think it's possible to get any further from hiding. If I recall I went behind the tower a single time to recharge my shield from a couple lucky swarms. And as far as a terror factor? You try running a heavy or assault, shooting at the reddots to turn around to see an honest to dust dropship bearing down on you at full speed. Or maybe sniping from a mountaintop to suddenly hear the rapidly approaching engine of my ship just to be squished before you can even comprehend what is going on.From some of the messages I have recieved from the victims after these kinds of games I have gathered it can be RATHER disconcerting to say the very least. |
Flux Raeder
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:52:00 -
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Other than that idk what to tell ya dude. Maybe save up some isk and give it a try yourself, just try to have fun with it. I don't have a recorder and will tell you that I have no proof of those matches but I know what I did and I don't need you to believe me, I only rolled it out to make a point to the OP. It does sound to me like you have so far just been matched with or against some sub-par pilots. |
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:56:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Tldr? Lol my bad, slow day at work, bored as hell. |
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Posted - 2013.04.10 05:24:00 -
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If this were an isolated incident then I might tend to agree especially considering most bluedots performance. However, as I mentioned earlier, I have done this multiple times. And there are still the other pilots I have watched that were about a hundred times better. A dropship doesn't need to OUTRUN a swarm shot, if the pilot knows the map well enough he/she has plenty of time to dodge around a tower or drop to ground level and have them explode harmlessly off hills. Dodging a forge gun is like dodging sniper fire, if you run in a predictable line or pattern for too long then yeah, you'll get shot down. Clearly you think very strongly that this is impossible while I have seen it not to be and I don't see any point in continuing this topic. The only point here is that I believe, for what it is CAPABLE of in the right hands, the dropship is not overpriced. Though now that I think of it, if you can't fly it and think it is so weak then why on earth do you care about it's price? If anything you should be happy if you really believe they are all so easy to shoot down, more money for you. Really, with that logic this whole thread is rather pointless is it not? |
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Posted - 2013.04.10 05:56:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:If this were an isolated incident then I might tend to agree especially considering most bluedots performance. However, as I mentioned earlier, I have done this multiple times. And there are still the other pilots I have watched that were about a hundred times better. A dropship doesn't need to OUTRUN a swarm shot, if the pilot knows the map well enough he/she has plenty of time to dodge around a tower or drop to ground level and have them explode harmlessly off hills. Dodging a forge gun is like dodging sniper fire, if you run in a predictable line or pattern for too long then yeah, you'll get shot down. Clearly you think very strongly that this is impossible while I have seen it not to be and I don't see any point in continuing this topic. The only point here is that I believe, for what it is CAPABLE of in the right hands, the dropship is not overpriced. Though now that I think of it, if you (not you specifically, just those that think it's op) can't fly it and think it is so weak then why on earth do you care about it's price? If anything you should be happy if you really believe they are all so easy to shoot down, more money for you. Really, with that logic this whole thread is rather pointless is it not? With any amount of willpower and several or more braincells on the opposing team that simply will not happen. If and when it does, is only a testament to apathy or failhards.
Alright dude, that's your opinion, you clearly think a LOT of it and you're entitled to it, just don't act like it's some ultimate truth. I'm sure we could argue this all night but I'm done with this line of conversation |
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Posted - 2013.04.10 06:05:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:copy left wrote:no bpo's ever. Once upon a time when there was only one map all the militia vehicles were free. Snipers taxied up tall buildings, militia vehicles were blown up left and right, aeriel bumper cars was an art form, forge gun shots sometimes passed through targets leaving them unharmed, and my fatty suit came with a swarm launcher, man I hated those days. I have not done Dropships in this build for one reason. It is insanely skill intensive, ever other sp-wipe after getting into them it took forever again to get up the support skills to properly fit Dropships. My tank on them never felt right without meta three or better. This time going to get the foot game right and save vehicles for when the skill point total is closer to ten mil. If at all... that listed skill list from the test server may indicate a higher sp curve to fit vehicles. True that, I have a love/hate relationship with that build, bumper-shipping was pretty fun, though all you had to do to hold an objective was to camp on a tower and blast the **** out of it with the overpowered dropship turrets, kinda took the fun away hehe |
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