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JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:33:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:
nice post.
I agree with you I don't like it either but you must remember why we have it. To let the players that don't get a lot of WP's for the time spent in battle. It helps them get ISK and SP where otherwise they would be left further behind. That is how you would solve this problem, figure out a way to let the less skilled receive points while not letting others abuse the system. I have came up with my own idea instead of QQing about it like others but that would deserve its own post.
That was the point of putting multipliers on points. The first 250 earned WP would be = to 1250 WP earned on the higher tiered levels. It means the bad players would still get nice adjustment to their tiny WP scores to ensure they got decent rewards, and players on the high end would still be getting rewards well into the 2,000 and 3,000 WP marks (although massively diminished) Basically it's a system that rewards extremely well at the start, and tappers off at tiers to ensure the top tier players are not getting insane rewards. It just takes out the free lunch rewards for doing nothing. I think it would also result in a better feeling of purpose on the battlefield when you are rewarded for what you do instead of just existing. I see where you are going but that is not helping the situation. You are showing favoritism to the unskilled and not helping them learn the ropes to actually be better players. For example if you wanted to train players to be more aggressive you would give them SP for being around objectives where kills are taking place or objectives are being taken. If they are snipers maybe points for spotting and add more points to assists. Basically no points for just showing up. I'm all for reworking the SP system as well don't get my wrong. I am just saying rewards for actions is a step in the right direction over rewards for doing absolutely nothing. The reason CCP picked the rewards for doing nothing is it's easier to implement and it will reward players who don't do **** and keep them playing the game (look at all the redline snipers who are happy with 100-200WP). It's true my system would still reward 250 WP with 2,500 SP because you can't weed out the players with no skill, and the ones who don't try. I still think my system is 10x better than giving them 5,000 SP and giving a player with 2,000 WP 8,500 SP 0WP should be rewarded with 0SP and 0ISK, anyone who disagrees with that has some serious problems. They probably are displaying all the trophies they got for getting last place in all their Sports Leauges.
Yea.. I fear they will cater to the masses and make no one happy.
I agree with the 0/0/0. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
318
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:34:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Buster Friently wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: You did not post a solution. If we only have passive why would I bother actually playing? I would make the same?
But since I cannot read. Da herpa derpa derp back at ya.
You might not bother playing. I count you in the group of worthless afkers after all. If you enjoy playing dust intrinsically (look it up) then you don't need an extrinsic stimulus. If all you want is to see your sp go up, please feel free to play click a cow, I hear it has no click cap. Please QQ in the corner. Your tears are getting my socks wet. Do you have any solutions or just tears? Wow. Were you born this stupid? Funny how you're the only one that can't read my solution. Sorry buddy, tutors for tots time is over. If you don't get it by now, well - good luck.
Passive Only SP is not a good solution. Here are some problems.
There is no incentive to play to make your character better. This is a primary motivator for many players and it's the reason the playerbase is still a decent size. Encouraging active play from members is a great boon for the game and community.
There is no monthly subscription. Passive only SP works in EvE because players are already paying you money. When you take the rewards for active gameplay, and you don't have the player on a sub you are going to lose a ton of activity, and customers.
The game functions on loss during gameplay. This means the more people play the more AUR gear is lost an in turn the more money CCP makes. They want to encourage tons of gameplay, and a good way to do this is require 8-10 hours of gameplay a week in order to Cap out your SP.
The game divides active and SP boosters, this means customers have more options, and in turn more appealing ways to spend their money.
A passive only SP system means you can never get better faster through gameplay. Much like EvE you would never get better than someone who started before you even if you play 10x as much. There is no place for this system in a FPS. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
115
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:35:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Buster Friently wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: You did not post a solution. If we only have passive why would I bother actually playing? I would make the same?
But since I cannot read. Da herpa derpa derp back at ya.
You might not bother playing. I count you in the group of worthless afkers after all. If you enjoy playing dust intrinsically (look it up) then you don't need an extrinsic stimulus. If all you want is to see your sp go up, please feel free to play click a cow, I hear it has no click cap. Please QQ in the corner. Your tears are getting my socks wet. Do you have any solutions or just tears?
Yeah, solution, make you cry so hard you flood the MCC, drowning all AFKers.
Nobody has solutions, only suggestions. CCP does the solving. And pointing out that other players haven't solved it, doesn't hide the fact that you entered this thread in support of farming. Or make you superior, since you can't implement any kind of solution yourself.
The MCC should drip with your tears. We can hang your socks on a null cannon to dry. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
968
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:35:00 -
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you guys mad about AFK Farmers? Read https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=65889&find=unread |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
184
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:36:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Buster Friently wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: You did not post a solution. If we only have passive why would I bother actually playing? I would make the same?
But since I cannot read. Da herpa derpa derp back at ya.
You might not bother playing. I count you in the group of worthless afkers after all. If you enjoy playing dust intrinsically (look it up) then you don't need an extrinsic stimulus. If all you want is to see your sp go up, please feel free to play click a cow, I hear it has no click cap. Please QQ in the corner. Your tears are getting my socks wet. Do you have any solutions or just tears? Yeah, solution, make you cry so hard you flood the MCC, drowning all AFKers. Nobody has solutions, only suggestions. CCP does the solving. And pointing out that other players haven't solved it, doesn't hide the fact that you entered this thread in support of farming. Or make you superior, since you can't implement any kind of solution yourself. The MCC should drip with your tears. We can hang your socks on a null cannon to dry.
I can be the devils advocate without being the devil you know? or do you? |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
286
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:39:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
lol, actively participating in that one too |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
115
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:40:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Buster Friently wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: You did not post a solution. If we only have passive why would I bother actually playing? I would make the same?
But since I cannot read. Da herpa derpa derp back at ya.
You might not bother playing. I count you in the group of worthless afkers after all. If you enjoy playing dust intrinsically (look it up) then you don't need an extrinsic stimulus. If all you want is to see your sp go up, please feel free to play click a cow, I hear it has no click cap. Please QQ in the corner. Your tears are getting my socks wet. Do you have any solutions or just tears? Yeah, solution, make you cry so hard you flood the MCC, drowning all AFKers. Nobody has solutions, only suggestions. CCP does the solving. And pointing out that other players haven't solved it, doesn't hide the fact that you entered this thread in support of farming. Or make you superior, since you can't implement any kind of solution yourself. The MCC should drip with your tears. We can hang your socks on a null cannon to dry. I can be the devils advocate without being the devil you know? or do you?
No, I'm pretty sure you're the devil. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
320
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:42:00 -
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I hate the whole blame only CCP nonsense.
Do they deserve the most blame, yes of course. Their rewards system is extremely bad and it shows they are just trying to retain as many people as possible with it instead of you know reward people for what they do in battle.
Players also have to accept some blame because at the end of the day getting something for nothing as an unintended consequence while negatively effecting others is a selfish act. Being selfish while ruining other peoples games means other people will be annoyed with you. So if you are going to be a jerk and AFK, at least take responsibility for it. Don't blame CCP for your own personal actions.
You should be here to pillage other peoples land and women in game, or you know try to make the game better. Being a pest is well |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
184
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:46:00 -
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[quote=Vanda-Kon]Quote: No, I'm pretty sure you're the devil.
Thanks |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
286
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:48:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I hate the whole blame only CCP nonsense. Do they deserve the most blame, yes of course. Their rewards system is extremely bad and it shows they are just trying to retain as many people as possible with it instead of you know reward people for what they do in battle. Players also have to accept some blame because at the end of the day getting something for nothing as an unintended consequence while negatively effecting others is a selfish act. Being selfish while ruining other peoples games means other people will be annoyed with you. So if you are going to be a jerk and AFK, at least take responsibility for it. Don't blame CCP for your own personal actions. You should be here to pillage other peoples land and women in game, or you know try to make the game better. Being a pest is well
you mean you don't already do that?
we're faceless mercs, what are they going to do? sue us? |
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JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
184
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:48:00 -
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Skirmish is currently broken so everyone is AFKing. Some people are just losing suits. - Devil |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
286
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:48:00 -
[102] - Quote
JL3Eleven wrote:[quote=Vanda-Kon] Quote: No, I'm pretty sure you're the devil.
Thanks
awwww, i want to be the devil |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
286
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:49:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Skirmish is currently broken so everyone is AFKing. Some people are just losing suits. - Devil
skirmish IS broken, if i wanted to fight, i'd go into ambush |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
48
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:49:00 -
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i really don't see where its all going besides QQing and agruing over who has the best insults. guess what happens when the afkers hit the sp cap.0wp=0sp |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
320
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:51:00 -
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ladwar wrote:i really don't see where its all going besides QQing and agruing over who has the best insults. guess what happens when the afkers hit the sp cap.0wp=0sp
I doubt it, it's probably just time to switch characters. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
115
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:52:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I hate the whole blame only CCP nonsense.
Do they deserve the most blame, yes of course. Their rewards system is extremely bad and it shows they are just trying to retain as many people as possible with it instead of you know reward people for what they do in battle.
Players also have to accept some blame because at the end of the day getting something for nothing as an unintended consequence while negatively effecting others is a selfish act. Being selfish while ruining other peoples games means other people will be annoyed with you. So if you are going to be a jerk and AFK, at least take responsibility for it. Don't blame CCP for your own personal actions.
You're right, CCP shouldn't get the blame, at first. You would think that if you told other players, hey, you're messing up what could be a good thing, they'd naturally respond for the good of the game, without needing devs to create entire line of don't be a d-bag code.
The mere fact that the known players from known corps are doing this and none of the ceo's seem to be denouncing it among their members shows that skill and honor are not always shared by top players. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
320
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:55:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I hate the whole blame only CCP nonsense. Do they deserve the most blame, yes of course. Their rewards system is extremely bad and it shows they are just trying to retain as many people as possible with it instead of you know reward people for what they do in battle. Players also have to accept some blame because at the end of the day getting something for nothing as an unintended consequence while negatively effecting others is a selfish act. Being selfish while ruining other peoples games means other people will be annoyed with you. So if you are going to be a jerk and AFK, at least take responsibility for it. Don't blame CCP for your own personal actions. You should be here to pillage other peoples land and women in game, or you know try to make the game better. Being a pest is well you mean you don't already do that? we're faceless mercs, what are they going to do? sue us?
I guess I just don't take any satisfaction when the pillaging is consensual.
^ I realize that makes me sound like a rapist. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
115
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:55:00 -
[108] - Quote
General Tiberius1 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:[quote=Vanda-Kon] Quote: No, I'm pretty sure you're the devil.
Thanks awwww, i want to be the devil
don't worry, you can still be the evil guy from WWII. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
320
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:57:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I hate the whole blame only CCP nonsense.
Do they deserve the most blame, yes of course. Their rewards system is extremely bad and it shows they are just trying to retain as many people as possible with it instead of you know reward people for what they do in battle.
Players also have to accept some blame because at the end of the day getting something for nothing as an unintended consequence while negatively effecting others is a selfish act. Being selfish while ruining other peoples games means other people will be annoyed with you. So if you are going to be a jerk and AFK, at least take responsibility for it. Don't blame CCP for your own personal actions. You're right, CCP shouldn't get the blame, at first. You would think that if you told other players, hey, you're messing up what could be a good thing, they'd naturally respond for the good of the game, without needing devs to create entire line of don't be a d-bag code. The mere fact that the known players from known corps are doing this and none of the ceo's seem to be denouncing it among their members shows that skill and honor are not always shared by top players.
Power > Honor
No CEO would denounce AFK'ing if it was making his mercenaries more powerful. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
115
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:59:00 -
[110] - Quote
JL3Eleven wrote:[quote=Vanda-Kon] Quote: No, I'm pretty sure you're the devil.
Thanks
Not even close to welcome. |
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crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
960
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:00:00 -
[111] - Quote
Whatever it's just a broken beta. I mean it's not like they won't be reseting AUR becuase making you pay real money for a game with gaint borken bugs and unfinished design would be crazy right?
oh wait... |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
184
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:00:00 -
[112] - Quote
Vanda-Kon wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:[quote=Vanda-Kon] Quote: No, I'm pretty sure you're the devil.
Thanks awwww, i want to be the devil don't worry, you can still be the evil guy from WWII.
Not cool. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
960
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:02:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Afkers are pathetic trash. I've learned to feel a little bit sorry for them. I mean, what kind of loser must you be to afk farm sp in a game that already gives you passive SP?
The behavior definitely taints the game as a whole, but know they won't last long. Last night I AFK farmed the MCC becuase my girlfriend surprized me by taking her top off. But not only did I get laid, I also got a ton of isk and sp. Ca Ching |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
320
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:03:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Whatever it's just a broken beta. I mean it's not like they won't be reseting AUR becuase making you pay real money for a game with gaint borken bugs and unfinished design would be crazy right?
oh wait...
I'm thinking I should get into the video game business. I hear people just throw money at you |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
184
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:03:00 -
[115] - Quote
crazy space 1 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Afkers are pathetic trash. I've learned to feel a little bit sorry for them. I mean, what kind of loser must you be to afk farm sp in a game that already gives you passive SP?
The behavior definitely taints the game as a whole, but know they won't last long. Last night I AFK farmed the MCC becuase my girlfriend surprized me by taking her top off. But not only did I get laid, I also got a ton of isk and sp. Ca Ching
Well done Sir!!!!
*Claps loudly |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
320
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:03:00 -
[116] - Quote
crazy space 1 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Afkers are pathetic trash. I've learned to feel a little bit sorry for them. I mean, what kind of loser must you be to afk farm sp in a game that already gives you passive SP?
The behavior definitely taints the game as a whole, but know they won't last long. Last night I AFK farmed the MCC becuase my girlfriend surprized me by taking her top off. But not only did I get laid, I also got a ton of isk and sp. Ca Ching
This is the first valid reason I've heard to AFK. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
115
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:05:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I hate the whole blame only CCP nonsense.
Do they deserve the most blame, yes of course. Their rewards system is extremely bad and it shows they are just trying to retain as many people as possible with it instead of you know reward people for what they do in battle.
Players also have to accept some blame because at the end of the day getting something for nothing as an unintended consequence while negatively effecting others is a selfish act. Being selfish while ruining other peoples games means other people will be annoyed with you. So if you are going to be a jerk and AFK, at least take responsibility for it. Don't blame CCP for your own personal actions. You're right, CCP shouldn't get the blame, at first. You would think that if you told other players, hey, you're messing up what could be a good thing, they'd naturally respond for the good of the game, without needing devs to create entire line of don't be a d-bag code. The mere fact that the known players from known corps are doing this and none of the ceo's seem to be denouncing it among their members shows that skill and honor are not always shared by top players. Power > Honor No CEO would denounce AFK'ing if it was making his mercenaries more powerful.
True, these players usually do it when they are solo anyway. That type of power is an illusion. If those players have bad player ethics, they'll probably do shady things inside their corps and corps like that will crumble or just fade over time.
Power is no more honor than time is money. Time is time before it's money. And so it goes, honor first. Longer lasting too. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
115
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:08:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:[quote=General Tiberius1] Not cool.
I actually thought you were vying for the devil, not being sarcastic. Sorry bout that. Shoulda noticed the icons uprolled eyes. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
320
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:09:00 -
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Vanda-Kon wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Vanda-Kon wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I hate the whole blame only CCP nonsense.
Do they deserve the most blame, yes of course. Their rewards system is extremely bad and it shows they are just trying to retain as many people as possible with it instead of you know reward people for what they do in battle.
Players also have to accept some blame because at the end of the day getting something for nothing as an unintended consequence while negatively effecting others is a selfish act. Being selfish while ruining other peoples games means other people will be annoyed with you. So if you are going to be a jerk and AFK, at least take responsibility for it. Don't blame CCP for your own personal actions. You're right, CCP shouldn't get the blame, at first. You would think that if you told other players, hey, you're messing up what could be a good thing, they'd naturally respond for the good of the game, without needing devs to create entire line of don't be a d-bag code. The mere fact that the known players from known corps are doing this and none of the ceo's seem to be denouncing it among their members shows that skill and honor are not always shared by top players. Power > Honor No CEO would denounce AFK'ing if it was making his mercenaries more powerful. True, these players usually do it when they are solo anyway. That type of power is an illusion. If those players have bad player ethics, they'll probably do shady things inside their corps and corps like that will crumble or just fade over time. Power is no more honor than time is money. Time is time before it's money. And so it goes, honor first. Longer lasting too.
I don't know man the people who AFK are usually the people who play so ******* much they just can't take any more matches. It's rare to see someone with less than 5,000 kills AFK.
It's a comforting thought that they will not be anything, but in all reality the people who are obsessed with ISK and SP farming are the ones who will probably be the most successful Mercs. They are going after any edge in battle at any cost, and that is usually a winning formula. Sure a lot of people hate you but it doesn't really bother them when they stomp your face into the ground. |
Vanda-Kon
KILLSTAR CO.
116
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:10:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Afkers are pathetic trash. I've learned to feel a little bit sorry for them. I mean, what kind of loser must you be to afk farm sp in a game that already gives you passive SP?
The behavior definitely taints the game as a whole, but know they won't last long. Last night I AFK farmed the MCC becuase my girlfriend surprized me by taking her top off. But not only did I get laid, I also got a ton of isk and sp. Ca Ching This is the first valid reason I've heard to AFK.
If I have to take a phone call, I consider leaving the game for the sake of others who want to win. But hey, congrats on the extra null cannon blast. |
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