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Posted - 2013.03.18 20:31:00 -
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This is (Captain) Awesome news :D
I can't wait to hear about this and I hope the guys previously interested in this (those previously put their names forward) and those interested make the effort to stand out, I'm sure a lot of people are gonna be putting their name forward and if you guys want help getting more noticed, there's a nice lill site waiting for you to put up any information for the community and more :)
CCP Dolan / CCP Eterne, is there anything the community can do to help the candidates? I'm more interested in helping the War Council than being a candidate myself |
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Posted - 2013.03.18 20:33:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:Absolute Idiom II wrote:So just to be clear: there is not opportunity to do anything from today that could bring any individuals into consideration?
I.E. It's too late to be considered for interview for the WC? Yes, we didn't want there to be a whole lot of politics surrounding this beta selection. We will however, likely have the full blown political campaigns seen in the EVE CSM upon the election of the first Full-Term Council. What's the chances of the beta council being ported over to the first "real" council? Also, how much of this announcement has to do with me kicking dust in the CPM's eyes and CSM candidates eyes over the last week or two?
probably none :p |
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Posted - 2013.03.18 20:36:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:In that case I will toss my hat in the ring.
go for it :) but it would be nice to see some of the CEOs going for it too :) |
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Posted - 2013.03.18 20:46:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Captain-Awesome wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:In that case I will toss my hat in the ring. go for it :) but it would be nice to see some of the CEOs going for it too :) lol I am no CEO, I think this will be as much as I can be involved. I dont have the time or desire the political kitten when it goes live. I think I have *some* common sense and as an average player can give advice and views that are needed.
a decent WC member will probably have the time, energy and interest to invest into the role, people like ironwolf, nova knife, kain spero... people that have done something for the game - whether they can point a reticule and press fire or not is a pretty stupid reason why they should be there.
Those that have given value to the game deserve the shot imho :) but there's no time like the present to show you're worth it |
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Posted - 2013.03.18 21:10:00 -
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PT SD wrote: I don't think Nova was involved in the CPM mess you guys started. But, as for the rest hell no. You guys tried to gain something from CCP, and after you got caught then it became a community site. Please, remove your stain from these boards, your credibility is shot with our community.
that's a load of pants. the site and everything with it was setup to help make this issue easier. it was the community dwelling on the name that kicked up the fuss, which in itself was nonsense.
Kain helped create community events ironwolf has always posted on these forums and is respected by a lot nova again.
I'm not saying names because they were part of the initial idea as you noticed with nova -_- they are people who have positively contributed to the community.
you could turn your fail to epic fail if you want to say "oh you voted an imperfect - how convenient!" |
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Posted - 2013.03.18 21:14:00 -
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silly me I miss read this and thought people were going to submit lol! duh -_-
someone poke fun at me please. |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:31:00 -
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Panther AIpha wrote:Card Drunook wrote: Panther Alpha, are you seriously suggesting trying to keep the people who are being represented from having a vote? The point of the council is to be the voice of the people playing the game, so any voting system NEEDS to be in the hands of the players.
What i saying is ; That just like in real life, if you interested in voting you go to you nearest polling station, and vote. If you not interested, you stay at home... and don't vote.
the ability to vote isn't the issue, the method to vote is the problem.
This is my current idea to making it as fair as possible....
We have to accept at the begining that there is no such thing as a 100% secure, workable solution, so we have to draw a line somewhere. Think of why we are putting steps in, is it worth it, what's the impact and are we secluding any audience of the community.
Voter penetration is one key aspect, another is getting those to vote with knowledge. giving people a vote button is utterly pointless if they don't know who to vote and why. |
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Posted - 2013.03.22 15:32:00 -
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Panther AIpha wrote:Card Drunook wrote: Panther Alpha, are you seriously suggesting trying to keep the people who are being represented from having a vote? The point of the council is to be the voice of the people playing the game, so any voting system NEEDS to be in the hands of the players.
What i saying is ; That just like in real life, if you interested in voting you go to you nearest polling station, and vote. If you not interested, you stay at home... and don't vote.
security is the main problem, it's not a case of "go to point a to vote" it's people constantly going to point a to vote that we need to address. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:26:00 -
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you silly cazaderon, but I wuv you. |
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Posted - 2013.03.26 14:12:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Tuesday? you mean today? ( ;) ) no not yet... maybe tomorrow |
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Posted - 2013.03.28 17:28:00 -
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Martin Short Man wrote:Congrats to Cerebral Wolf & Iron wolf for being interviewed. Hope you both make it in!
what makes you so sure they have been interviewed? Ironwolf has already said he didn't get an invite (maybe he got an invite later on?) |
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Posted - 2013.03.29 12:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
To be honest I thought captain awesome would have made it to out of all the people I've asked. So I am at a total loss who could be on the list.
lol I am not WC material, besides, I am far more interested in trying to help the WC than being on it and my project for the community eats my time :) all I can do at the moment is provide the WC with a website and tools to make their lives easier and even then it's up to them to use it :)
NanoCleric wrote: Ok.. following up my previous post, it still stands about the Data Protection act, but you are right that yes, you do have the right to waver that right too. So from the link i see it does look like all those candidates have permitted them to share their name.
I don't see how it stands, rule 8 is there for OTHER people to post YOUR information, so for example, you can't post Ironwolfs real name without his permission, but ironwolf is allowed to post his information, in other words third parties holding your data are not allowed to publish your information without your consent.
NanoCleric wrote: However.. i still think that it should be hidden away when on the site. The main reason i believe in this is that i think the community should comment based on what the application has to offer, rather than the name alone.. It's easy to be bias when names are involved. I just think this would lead to better quality candidates...
That's a very fair point :) But people need to know what this candidate has done for the community, is what their saying validatable, their ability to trust in the candidate and if they think they will follow through on their words? or is it just for epeen waving. People can make VERY convincing articles when they are anonymous and that's the problem with the internet not the individual.
NanoCleric wrote: of course there's always room for error too... but the panel would then be able to see what people comment on regarding the nature of each application.. then can assess the applications again taking into account what was said in the comments... then they are the ones who choose who are the most appropriate candidates based on the information they are privy to.
are you saying the temporary WC picks the proper council once the voting method (if any) has been decided? because I think a lot of those on the WC might actually want to be on the next one also... having a current seat on that council might put them in an advantageous position - this does kind of support your idea of anonymity but I don't think the reason is very valid in that it won't be the same case for everyone.
People will always have conflicting ideas, one person view of a great opinion, is somebody else's view of a bad opinion, so leaving it to a small council on who decides to run for WC next, is taking the communities opinion (on who should be there) away.
Yes the community is not easy to use, we are fickle, biased, love to misinterpret and love to see people burn (In my opinion a mix of CCP select and community select would be the best compromise) but it gets the community their man. I wouldn't like a WC being chosen without having an input and as long as my right to an opinion is kept, I think we should explore different avenues - but keeping that right.
I vote in real life but I can actually contribute to somebodies candidacy here with more than just a paper slip. I'm more involved, the community is more accessible, so I would like to have a say as a community member.
NanoCleric wrote: I'm not saying 'this is the way it has to be and all other ways must die ten times over' by any means :) ... I just think it's a less bias way of selecting a council than any voting system. Voting has always been about a combination of who is the loudest and can gather the most friends(supporters).. That doesn't always equate to the right person for the role. That's the reason i have proposed the system.
I think this is more of a problem that needs to be tackled than a reason to give up. You spoke of anonymity, this is one possible solution (debatable but present) - looking into how people make their candidacy more inviting to the community is something that should be discussed - maybe anonymous candidates would be a good thing when combined with other methods of assuring an unbiased voting system. But I think that's up to the WC to discuss :)
to conclude I think my post didn't really add value to the talk lol! I'm on the ropes about candidate anonymity - how do you assure anonymity? are they void if word gets out who they are? and more questions I haven't yet thought of... but I think something should be done about the candidacy process to remove biased decisions :).... but we'll get that anywhere. Corp leader will say "vote for this person" their members will do it. But that's still no reason to remove community voting.
lots of methods to explore... would be nice to see all these methods documented somewhere... hmm I'll do this on the neweden site later and include your idea. But for now, time for food. |
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Posted - 2013.03.29 12:40:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Klivve Cussler wrote:If you really want to short-list who is in the WC, just start a "Who is going to fanfest?" thread. The WC candidates will be in that list.
Of course, they may not be able to admit it. I'm just going to wait until they announce the group at fanfest.
(No I haven't read anywhere that they'll be announcing the WC at fanfest, but I'd bet AUR on it). Two problems with this theory: 1.) CCP doesn't pay to fly the incoming CSM members to FF, there is no reason to think they'd fly the incoming WC members either. They could, but it shouldn't be expected. 2.) See below: CCP Dolan wrote:Look for a Dev Blog announcing the full War Council some time before the end of the month.
there's also the fact they might not bother posting in the thread ;) |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 10:04:00 -
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I think it'll be up to the War Council to make it as interesting a position as possible :) great position for meta game :) |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 21:19:00 -
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Katariss Katalyst wrote:You know how we should do the voting system?
We should make it so that each PSN account gets 1 vote. (ppl can have multi chars, but they stll get one vote...)
I think it would be great for this so that people cant vote x3 on what they like :) (if you really like something, get your corp to vote tooo)
just some thoughts, thanks....
can actually create as many psn accounts as you want |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 09:27:00 -
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Have to agree with mith, that suggestion is flawed, basic and elitist, anyone should be allowed to be put up for candidacy (If it was decided to go that way) not just corp leaders. |
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Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote:Criticizing is not helping. You in no way suggested an improved way of doing you only pointed out that it was flawed. If I had a fool proof system I would've typed up ten pages explaining it in detail. I am sorry I'm not a regular on the forums but I'm trying to help how I can. Now if you see a flaw in it you could simply point it out, and as was stated help the process by suggesting a better approach. And I was referring to the actual vote not who would be a candidate, perhaps I was off topic there. But I had an idea that a pseudo electoral college system might be an idea worth at least exploring.
its good that you are coming up with ideas, we have all come up with suggestions though, read the whole thread, I myself made a separate thread about a possible solution, and posted the link here. So have others, but I think flooding this thread with a discussion not relevant to the op is not right. Make a separate thread in general and we can look there. Think lots of people want to talk about it here but not really relevant. |
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Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock wrote:And I don't feel like I'm being picked on at all, I just feel like you are kind being an ass for no reason, but that's your right buddy, have a good one!
hehe yeah don't worry about that, it's the new Eden universe mentality: guilty until proven innocent, that's what happens when a game gets politics hehe.
regardless of the negativity, we do appreciate people showing an interest, wrong or right isn't important at that level. But the more you get involved, the better grasp you'll get :) there's a lot of conspriracy lovers here that love to see you burn, just ignore them and try to push on :) |
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:12:00 -
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That's great dolan look forward to it.
Katariss Katalyst wrote:So then since all my ideas can either be spoofed, or have many accounts, I have come up with one that could actually work...
This is the Idea:
That in order for the person to vote, they need to have a certain amount of skill points (sorry noobs) like 500,000 or something. Because it would allow for players to vote. (people are not going to waste points getting lots of skill points on multiple accounts for one vote.)
Please, if this idea can be improved, please state that improvement below...
it's not your ideas that are flawed, infact they are good, but they are not strong enough to work on their own.
the process of elimination dictates that you go step by step blocking out each potential method of abuse.
"I have 4 PS3s, all with 4 accounts, all have over 1 million sp." so go from micro and build to macro. |
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Katariss Katalyst wrote:So then since all my ideas can either be spoofed, or have many accounts, I have come up with one that could actually work...
This is the Idea:
That in order for the person to vote, they need to have a certain amount of skill points (sorry noobs) like 500,000 or something. Because it would allow for players to vote. (people are not going to waste points getting lots of skill points on multiple accounts for one vote.)
Please, if this idea can be improved, please state that improvement below... 500,000 SP wouldn't work. That's the baseline level with which all characters start. Also, a new player who's wanting to be active would be denied a voice under this system, while someone who's been afking across 3 accounts per PS3 on 2 consoles would have at least 6 votes easily (even if you're limited to one vote per account instead of per character).
you have to draw a line somewhere. there is no such thing as a perfect system - have to accept that. the amount of sp used is "the post" you have to adjust. Also the solution is a good idea if combined with other filtering techniques. On it's own is fail.
Daedric - ip addresses change all the time, every time you boot the playstation you are given a new IP, or when your router is restarted. How do you register an IP to CCP? It doesn't stop them registering multiple IPs? |
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Quickgloves wrote:Hey CCP here is a thought.
When you release the names maybe you could do a podcast an kinda release them like a NBA draft pick. Give a little explanton on why the people were choosen or some background on them.
Just a thought i think it would be fun an cool, plus give the community a connection with CCP as well.
You know make it personal/.
I think if CCP gives their reasons the community may disagree with them. They make wild allegations and jump on someone they don't like, why give them the opportunity just for some (what may be seen as) epeen waving? I already foresee a lot of complaints about who will be on the current council (case in point - post above lol), Think it will be a delicate matter for a while before we can make public displays like that.
@Daedric Lothar what if people aren't available to vote on 1 day? I can't vote on weekends for example |
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Too complex. Good people would get pissed off and missed out on simply because it's too much hassle doing all that. Not to sure about that if it's done proper. For now most community projects and works are pointed out to CCP by way of e-mails, forums and twitter. What would be wrong to have a place here where you already log-in to use the forums and be able to submit a link to your blog posts, wiki work, youtube videos, so on and have it all registered and associated to your user account. It just seems to me as a way to save both the player and CCP time, plus help in giving recognition where it is do. My point is that someone shouldn't have to jump those hoops to get on the WC. They may have other skills which are just as important if not more so.
The ISD have no problem posting about their work, the WC shouldn't either. There needs to be someone to tell us what's going on. 1/2/30 what ever, I understand not everyone doesn't have the interest in keeping the community in the loop, yet may still be a good candidate, but SOMEONE should be there to pass on the information.
There are people with different opinions, and just because CCP has selected people on the council, doesn't mean those people carry the best opinions from the community. As you say, people excel in different areas, but if we don't hear about it, we can't gage that contribution. |
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Zion Shad wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Too complex. Good people would get pissed off and missed out on simply because it's too much hassle doing all that. Not to sure about that if it's done proper. For now most community projects and works are pointed out to CCP by way of e-mails, forums and twitter. What would be wrong to have a place here where you already log-in to use the forums and be able to submit a link to your blog posts, wiki work, youtube videos, so on and have it all registered and associated to your user account. It just seems to me as a way to save both the player and CCP time, plus help in giving recognition where it is do.
that's what the CPM site was setup for, so those on the board can document and present the community with what ever they have on their plate, a hub of information for the community and a source of feedback for the WC.
I'm waiting on this announcement so I can ask the WC if I can help, I setup that site for them, but I've not bothered with it since they said they were going to announce the WC, and until I know the WC want something setup, I have my own new eden project to work on. |
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Zion Shad wrote:@ Cerebral Wolf - You do make a good point and I do agree that other skill and elements should be considered. By the way well done on your work with the OB exploit.
@Cap Awesome - I'm glad to hear that this is an idea in the works in some form. Please add a link so I can check out your site.
neweden.co - the site will eventually be cpm.newEden.co but until my project is in the works, I'm giving them neweden.co in the interim |
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Captain-Awesome wrote:Zion Shad wrote:@ Cerebral Wolf - You do make a good point and I do agree that other skill and elements should be considered. By the way well done on your work with the OB exploit.
@Cap Awesome - I'm glad to hear that this is an idea in the works in some form. Please add a link so I can check out your site. neweden.co - the site will eventually be cpm.newEden.co but until my project is in the works, I'm giving them neweden.co in the interim Because I have NEWEDEN.ORG?
ya do? ya plan on doing anything with it? :) .co was chosen because RL corporations tend to use .co |
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Just some projects, but maybe I linky to yours.
cool, maybe we can collaborate if the projects are somewhat related |
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Captain-Awesome wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Just some projects, but maybe I linky to yours. cool, maybe we can collaborate if the projects are somewhat related Honestly, I bought it to give Bojo a site other than that AWFUL Enjin site (it made my eyes bleed), but I sure as kitten wasn't going to spend money on "bojo.com" or whatnot. That guy gets his name plastered on enough stuff already! At some point, I want to do something with the main domain site, but I haven't figured out what yet.
ya any good with python and django?
Dolan any update? it's been a month since this post was created >.< |
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CCP Eterne wrote:We're hammering out some details with NDAs before we can officially announce anything. We're hoping to have it out very soon.
groovy thanks for the update guys :) NDAs aren't what they used to be... "don't tell anyone ok?" "ok".... oh the good old days |
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not going to fanfest now :( but it's ok, you are getting a good deal, instead of me you are getting regnum |
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