I miss the days when i was actually afraid of taking on heavies. Its not good when the game is encouraging me to drop head on into a heavy because im 70% sure my SMG can deal with him.

Give them more health, or an extra slot, or reduced prices so i see the proto one more often. Something that'll make me not want to take them on without some sort of severe advantage. I personally just dont feel good about lasering them anymore (nah i still do, but it is kinda funny when they start jumping). Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it.

That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much.

cpu and pg for all suits.

Heavie proto needs 7 slots... Vk.0 3 high 4 low. Vk.1: 4 high 3 low

And more CPU and pg.. Along with reduced vk.1 pricing.

Heavie proto needs 7 slots... Vk.0 3 high 4 low. Vk.1: 4 high 3 low

And more CPU and pg.. Along with reduced vk.1 pricing.

There is a reasonwhy heavies are the way they are.

No, you made your bed, now sleep in it....this was something that everyone said when there reset happened. There is a reason why heavies are the way they are. They can't run on the battlefield alone. Everything is as it should be.

I miss the days when i was actually afraid of taking on heavies. Its not good when the game is encouraging me to drop head on into a heavy because im 70% sure my SMG can deal with him.

Give them more health, or an extra slot, or reduced prices so i see the proto one more often. Something that'll make me not want to take them on without some sort of severe advantage. I personally just dont feel good about lasering them anymore (nah i still do, but it is kinda funny when they start jumping). Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it.

That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much.

you say "into a heavy". Presumably said heavy was on their own with no other team mates to support them. That is the problem, heavies need situational awareness and team support. No unit should be able to dominate on their own, so heavies do not need a buff.

you say "into a heavy". Presumably said heavy was on their own with no other team mates to support them. That is the problem, heavies need situational awareness and team support. No unit should be able to dominate on their own, so heavies do not need a buff.

Actually he was referring to 1v1ing a heavy which honestly the heavy should win those if its cqc, no matter if he had support or not.

Heavy proto needs 7 slots... Vk.0 3 high 4 low. Vk.1: 4 high 3 low

And more CPU and pg.. Along with reduced vk.1 pricing.

I second this motion!

I think that would be too big a buff, to be honest. Math says a proto Heavy stacks up against a proto assault almost as we'll as a heavyII stacks up against an assault II.

One more mid/low slot and a price reduction would do it.

Most complaints come from heavy II having a tough time with proto assaults, which sorry, is how it's supposed to be.

Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it.

That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much..

Maybe just Scouts, Assaults and Logi's honestly seem fine with me.

I miss the days when i was actually afraid of taking on heavies. Its not good when the game is encouraging me to drop head on into a heavy because im 70% sure my SMG can deal with him.

Give them more health, or an extra slot, or reduced prices so i see the proto one more often. Something that'll make me not want to take them on without some sort of severe advantage. I personally just dont feel good about lasering them anymore (nah i still do, but it is kinda funny when they start jumping). Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it.

That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much.

The buffs I would like to see is the +1 high side slot to the advance and prototype suit, also a tiered armor repping system built into each suit ie. standard 2hp/s advanced 3hp/s and prototype 5hp/s.

Now i'm not saying heavies arent in need of a buff they totally are but it's not just the suit it self its the other players.

People have gotten used to taking on heavies and how to beat them.

O shut up! the heavy is back to being balanced with the rest of the classes. and dont need to hear anymore I need a overpowering tank crap.

ok Zeus!

i suppose u have found a way to dodge the laser being shot at you from beyond your firing range, when u r traversing the terrain. or you got the rocket propeller upgrade to whisk you over there.

Max assault shields = (225*1.25) + 4(66) = 545
Max heavy shields = (320 *1.25) +3(66) = 598
Max AR damage/s = 34.1 * ((1.1^4)+0.15+0.1) * 750/60 = 730.6
Max heavy EHP = 598 + ((422*1.25)+2(112)) = 1350
Practical EHP = 598 + 527 =1125
Damage EHP = 400 + 527 = 927
Average reaction time = 0.74 seconds
Heavy run speed = 3.91 m/s
Lets say the average assault class uses two dam. mods.
DPS = 622.3
Lets say a heavy runs with a practical suit
EHP - DPS*reaction time = 1125- 622.3*0.74 = 664
Thus the average prototype heavy has ~ 1 second to fight back if not looking at an AR assault suit.
(Not to mention giant heavy heads, AR being hybrid damage, AR range >>HMG range, AR being far more precise, etc)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I play a logi, a heavy and an assault(three diff. characters).
Heavies are a joke.
I take on heavies toe-to-toe with a gek & standard assault suit, at close range.
Heavies are the most expensive class to play & require the most skill points
Heavies are suppose to be "tanks". Do some calculations and figure the max hp of all classes. Heavy works out to be ~ 300 more EHP.
Revamp please; before I quit this character xD

*Note I did not include HMG damage because I feel the damage & range is fine. Just something needs to be done about the durability of said "heavies"

Now i'm not saying heavies arent in need of a buff they totally are but it's not just the suit it self its the other players.

People have gotten used to taking on heavies and how to beat them. The heavy suit does need a buff but to much of a buff maybe just an extra high slot and low slot for him. for all suits and increased cpu and pg for all suits.

Thus the average prototype heavy has ~ 1 second to fight back if not looking at an AR assault suit.

Firstly, do you understand what 1 extra second means in a 1v1.

I really hate doing this and I usually don't put my nose into these pointless threads.

However, it is time to use my Elitist prowess to crush these irreverent peasants. Do you understand how hard it is to move a good heavy from a fixed position. Especially when a Logi is supporting them.

Too many people mistake that because Heavies can DPS it is a slayer class. Well its not and it will never be. Too many times do I see heavies running around hunting for kills. Mobility is your weakness, yet you use it? The heavy is designed for holding down key positions. Like choke points, CRUs, and Resupplies. It amazing me that some of these player have been playing for over six months and still don't understand the roles in this game.

Firstly, do you understand what 1 extra second means in a 1v1.

I really hate doing this and I usually don't put my nose into these pointless threads.

However, it is time to use my Elitist prowess to crush these irreverent peasants. Do you understand how hard it is to move a good heavy from a fixed position. Especially when a Logi is supporting them.

Too many people mistake that because Heavies can DPS it is a slayer class. Well its not and it will never be. Too many times do I see heavies running around hunting for kills. Mobility is your weakness, yet you use it? The heavy is designed for holding down key positions. Like choke points, CRUs, and Resupplies. It amazing me that some of these player have been playing for over six months and still don't understand the roles in this game.

This argument isn't about the heavy's role. I am simply stating the heavy has too little HP. I don't know why you got any other implication when I was simply listing statistics but okay.

Firstly, do you understand what 1 extra second means in a 1v1.

I really hate doing this and I usually don't put my nose into these pointless threads.

However, it is time to use my Elitist prowess to crush these irreverent peasants. Do you understand how hard it is to move a good heavy from a fixed position. Especially when a Logi is supporting them.

Too many people mistake that because Heavies can DPS it is a slayer class. Well its not and it will never be. Too many times do I see heavies running around hunting for kills. Mobility is your weakness, yet you use it? The heavy is designed for holding down key positions. Like choke points, CRUs, and Resupplies. It amazing me that some of these player have been playing for over six months and still don't understand the roles in this game.

Regnum is right, I play with heavies that don't ***** and complain and do just fine every game. 95% of heavies I play are ********, that's why they die. You people expect that since you are in a heavy suit you should win every 1v1 and be impossible to kill. Maybe you should just learn how to play the class instead of crying for a buff. There are already plenty of heavies running around in Dust, buffing would make this game Heavy514.

Holy hell froze over, someone not thinking the ((Heavy + HMG) == (Assault + 1)), i always chuckle when i see the turtle cross the street to assault the other side when there are 6+ shooting, only to be shot down 4 feet outside of cover..

I can see them rage "WHYYY can't i TANK THIS SH*T"!!! RAAAAAGGGEEEE

1_Extra_second = God; when playing FPS games when you encounter 1 vs 1.

while i respect ure opinion, znig, i call bullshit

everything thats been said in protest has been about the cost vs. effectiveness of the proto heavy suit, the limited number of slots vs number of slots in other suits, etc etc

regnum is 100% right, and im guilty of killhunting from time to time also in pub matches, but thats not my motivation for backing up these arguments for buffing the proto heavy, adding slots, lowering cost and possibly nerfing MIL and STD heavy suits

honestly, im getting tired of seeing u 'leet' players and assault players using that "u just mad u suck" argument.