DUST Search - buff the heavy!

Alex Bradshaw wrote:

Marston VC wrote:

I miss the days when i was actually afraid of taking on heavies. Its not good when the game is encouraging me to drop head on into a heavy because im 70% sure my SMG can deal with him.

Give them more health, or an extra slot, or reduced prices so i see the proto one more often. Something that'll make me not want to take them on without some sort of severe advantage. I personally just dont feel good about lasering them anymore (nah i still do, but it is kinda funny when they start jumping). Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it.

That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much.

you say "into a heavy". Presumably said heavy was on their own with no other team mates to support them. That is the problem, heavies need situational awareness and team support. No unit should be able to dominate on their own, so heavies do not need a buff.

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Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 121	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:21:00 - [1] - Quote I miss the days when i was actually afraid of taking on heavies. Its not good when the game is encouraging me to drop head on into a heavy because im 70% sure my SMG can deal with him. Give them more health, or an extra slot, or reduced prices so i see the proto one more often. Something that'll make me not want to take them on without some sort of severe advantage. I personally just dont feel good about lasering them anymore (nah i still do, but it is kinda funny when they start jumping). Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it. That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 770	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:30:00 - [2] - Quote Marston VC wrote: I miss the days when i was actually afraid of taking on heavies. Its not good when the game is encouraging me to drop head on into a heavy because im 70% sure my SMG can deal with him. Give them more health, or an extra slot, or reduced prices so i see the proto one more often. Something that'll make me not want to take them on without some sort of severe advantage. I personally just dont feel good about lasering them anymore (nah i still do, but it is kinda funny when they start jumping). Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it. That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much. keep up the good work
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 332	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:32:00 - [3] - Quote Heavie proto needs 7 slots... Vk.0 3 high 4 low. Vk.1: 4 high 3 low And more CPU and pg.. Along with reduced vk.1 pricing.
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 85	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:35:00 - [4] - Quote Now i'm not saying heavies arent in need of a buff they totally are but it's not just the suit it self its the other players. People have gotten used to taking on heavies and how to beat them. The heavy suit does need a buff but to much of a buff maybe just an extra high slot and low slot for him. for all suits and increased cpu and pg for all suits.
Dany 7A5H G I A N T 0	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:36:00 - [5] - Quote Heavies are fine, the issue is the sheer multitude of militia heavies that I can 1-shot these days....same goes for militia tanks. Fly safe
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 484	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:37:00 - [6] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: cpu and pg for all suits. Maybe just scouts, Assault and Logi's honestly seem fine with me.
Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 66	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:38:00 - [7] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Heavie proto needs 7 slots... Vk.0 3 high 4 low. Vk.1: 4 high 3 low And more CPU and pg.. Along with reduced vk.1 pricing. No, you made your bed, now sleep in it....this was something that everyone said when there reset happened. There is a reason why heavies are the way they are. They can't run on the battlefield alone. Everything is as it should be.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 773	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:39:00 - [8] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Heavie proto needs 7 slots... Vk.0 3 high 4 low. Vk.1: 4 high 3 low And more CPU and pg.. Along with reduced vk.1 pricing. you my friend
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 484	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:41:00 - [9] - Quote Dalton Smithe wrote: There is a reasonwhy heavies are the way they are. Yes, because all suits had their HP flattened, the main point of upgrading to a better tier heavy suit was the increased EHP, but CCP never did anything to compensate for the loss. The ignorance of some people...
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 773	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:41:00 - [10] - Quote Dalton Smithe wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Heavie proto needs 7 slots... Vk.0 3 high 4 low. Vk.1: 4 high 3 low And more CPU and pg.. Along with reduced vk.1 pricing. No, you made your bed, now sleep in it....this was something that everyone said when there reset happened. There is a reason why heavies are the way they are. They can't run on the battlefield alone. Everything is as it should be. said the guy who plays a scout

Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 815	Posted - 2013.03.17 21:12:00 - [11] - Quote Heavys need better resistances but that's about it.
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 130	Posted - 2013.03.17 21:20:00 - [12] - Quote I think the heavy is fine at standard and below but ADV and PRO heavy need either more slots as someone above said or for it to not have flattened hit points from level to level, the flattening for all other suits makes sence heavy on the other hand iam afraid not.
Alex Bradshaw NEW AGE EMPIRE 4	Posted - 2013.03.17 22:19:00 - [13] - Quote Marston VC wrote: I miss the days when i was actually afraid of taking on heavies. Its not good when the game is encouraging me to drop head on into a heavy because im 70% sure my SMG can deal with him. Give them more health, or an extra slot, or reduced prices so i see the proto one more often. Something that'll make me not want to take them on without some sort of severe advantage. I personally just dont feel good about lasering them anymore (nah i still do, but it is kinda funny when they start jumping). Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it. That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much. you say "into a heavy". Presumably said heavy was on their own with no other team mates to support them. That is the problem, heavies need situational awareness and team support. No unit should be able to dominate on their own, so heavies do not need a buff.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 485	Posted - 2013.03.17 23:16:00 - [14] - Quote Alex Bradshaw wrote: Marston VC wrote: I miss the days when i was actually afraid of taking on heavies. Its not good when the game is encouraging me to drop head on into a heavy because im 70% sure my SMG can deal with him. Give them more health, or an extra slot, or reduced prices so i see the proto one more often. Something that'll make me not want to take them on without some sort of severe advantage. I personally just dont feel good about lasering them anymore (nah i still do, but it is kinda funny when they start jumping). Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it. That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much. you say "into a heavy". Presumably said heavy was on their own with no other team mates to support them. That is the problem, heavies need situational awareness and team support. No unit should be able to dominate on their own, so heavies do not need a buff. Assaults can do fine on their own, scouts rarely need support except for maybe a nanohive, Logi's don't need help, why is it that only Heavies need help to be successful? Is it perhaps because they're big giant targets? Yes, every class benefits from support, but only heavies need it to do well. I'm not saying that them needing support isn't the way it should be, but they honestly could use a small buff.
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 333	Posted - 2013.03.17 23:20:00 - [15] - Quote Alex Bradshaw wrote: Marston VC wrote: I miss the days when i was actually afraid of taking on heavies. Its not good when the game is encouraging me to drop head on into a heavy because im 70% sure my SMG can deal with him. Give them more health, or an extra slot, or reduced prices so i see the proto one more often. Something that'll make me not want to take them on without some sort of severe advantage. I personally just dont feel good about lasering them anymore (nah i still do, but it is kinda funny when they start jumping). Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it. That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much. you say "into a heavy". Presumably said heavy was on their own with no other team mates to support them. That is the problem, heavies need situational awareness and team support. No unit should be able to dominate on their own, so heavies do not need a buff. Actually he was referring to 1v1ing a heavy which honestly the heavy should win those if its cqc, no matter if he had support or not.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 487	Posted - 2013.03.17 23:32:00 - [16] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Actually he was referring to 1v1ing a heavy which honestly the heavy should win those if its cqc, no matter if he had support or not. Unless it's a shoty, or they catch you off guard, or they're really good at strafing, or they threw a grenade first, but taking on a heavy shouldn't just be "hahaha I can out-tank you cause I have 4 complex shields, get good scrub". That's like a proto LAV being better at tanking than a proto HAV.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 735	Posted - 2013.03.17 23:35:00 - [17] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Heavy proto needs 7 slots... Vk.0 3 high 4 low. Vk.1: 4 high 3 low And more CPU and pg.. Along with reduced vk.1 pricing. I second this motion!
Disturbingly Bored Universal Allies Inc. 153	Posted - 2013.03.17 23:43:00 - [18] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Heavy proto needs 7 slots... Vk.0 3 high 4 low. Vk.1: 4 high 3 low And more CPU and pg.. Along with reduced vk.1 pricing. I second this motion! I think that would be too big a buff, to be honest. Math says a proto Heavy stacks up against a proto assault almost as we'll as a heavyII stacks up against an assault II. One more mid/low slot and a price reduction would do it. Most complaints come from heavy II having a tough time with proto assaults, which sorry, is how it's supposed to be.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 487	Posted - 2013.03.17 23:54:00 - [19] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Heavy proto needs 7 slots... Vk.0 3 high 4 low. Vk.1: 4 high 3 low And more CPU and pg.. Along with reduced vk.1 pricing. I second this motion! I think that would be too big a buff, to be honest. Math says a proto Heavy stacks up against a proto assault almost as we'll as a heavyII stacks up against an assault II. One more mid/low slot and a price reduction would do it. Most complaints come from heavy II having a tough time with proto assaults, which sorry, is how it's supposed to be. It's just 1 more complex shield extender which is just 2 more bullets. That's pretty negligible actually, it's the Assaults mobility which makes those two extra bullets count, a heavy wouldn't gain all that much from it. But ehh, I'd be happy with just 1 more low slot
ISuperstar Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.03.18 00:10:00 - [20] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it. That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much.. no thanks seems to be working as intended like you said. Solo heavy's are playing the game wrong and should face the reality of doing so. Besides a solo heavy is still more than perfectly capable of killing a Proto Assault. They can take the CPU upgrade and a low slot. But lets not go overboard here guys.

N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 87	Posted - 2013.03.18 00:52:00 - [21] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: cpu and pg for all suits. Maybe just Scouts, Assaults and Logi's honestly seem fine with me. what i meant is all suits in the heavy category like regular advanced and prototype
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 439	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:20:00 - [22] - Quote Marston VC wrote: I miss the days when i was actually afraid of taking on heavies. Its not good when the game is encouraging me to drop head on into a heavy because im 70% sure my SMG can deal with him. Give them more health, or an extra slot, or reduced prices so i see the proto one more often. Something that'll make me not want to take them on without some sort of severe advantage. I personally just dont feel good about lasering them anymore (nah i still do, but it is kinda funny when they start jumping). Heavies can be good its just that i feel they need WAY too much support to last any period of time without it. For a heavy to do well consistantly, it needs assault support and logi support working together to help spread the fire off it. That might be as intended, but id like to see the "solo" heavy be a more common thing in pub matches too. Idk, maybe thats just asking for a bit too much. Yeah. I was playing heavy with HMG at full health and you were Assault or was it logi with full health. My HMG (16 per bullet) versus your SMG and the SMG (22 per bullet)won. plus 2x headshot multiplier. So 44 versus 16??? SMG!!!! like I said at the start of this build when folks in the Warbarge saw me in a Scout suit and they kept asking but you are a heavy?? Helll no!!! The HMG is underpowered. And 16 per bullet is fail in most CQC. The heavy suit needs more health or more resistances. Needs price reduction. Needs more CPU and PG. And heavy skills are THREE X!!!...LOL!! I played the heavy for a bit since the last reset but it was only to see if it was OP or if it was pathetic. And I just got my A series SCOUT suit and in a few days I will get my B series SCOUT suit. As far as investing any skill points into the heavy tree: LOL!!! NO!!! In case I was unclear to other folks: Heavy??????? HELLLLL !!!!!!! NOOOOO!!!!!!
Enderr Wigginn KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 66	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:30:00 - [23] - Quote The buffs I would like to see is the +1 high side slot to the advance and prototype suit, also a tiered armor repping system built into each suit ie. standard 2hp/s advanced 3hp/s and prototype 5hp/s.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 488	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:15:00 - [24] - Quote Enderr Wigginn wrote: The buffs I would like to see is the +1 high side slot to the advance and prototype suit, also a tiered armor repping system built into each suit ie. standard 2hp/s advanced 3hp/s and prototype 5hp/s. lol, I just want the low slot so I could have 2 armor reppers and a kinetic module
WyrmHero1945 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 46	Posted - 2013.03.18 04:01:00 - [25] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Now i'm not saying heavies arent in need of a buff they totally are but it's not just the suit it self its the other players. People have gotten used to taking on heavies and how to beat them. This. Everytime I see a heavy CQC I just run away. Everytime I see one in a group at far range it becomes a primary target for my laser. I'm sure other players think the same to bring the heavy down asap. They're pretty much the bullies of Dust, only successful at griefing the newbies. The ridiculous cost of the proto suits is the only thing broken atm imo.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2082	Posted - 2013.03.18 04:04:00 - [26] - Quote HMG heavies are laughable, I only use mine when up against a bunch of pubbies or if I just don't care. I'm happy I have my heavy for my forge gun, but there's no other reason to play a heavy outside of that. Shotgun scouts are vastly superior as far as I'm concerned.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 512	Posted - 2013.03.18 04:08:00 - [27] - Quote I went heads up with an hmg heavy (low health but still more than my total health) and won using a scrambler, CCP should switch it to phased plasma rounds and add ammo variety soon, not SoonGäó
lordeh42 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.03.18 11:56:00 - [28] - Quote I see 4 main things wrong with the Heavies at the moment, some of which has been said: 1. Cost.... a decent fit of a lvl 3 suit is 50-100K, lvl4 and above is well over 100K, unsustainable. 2. Lack of CPU.....even with alot of skill points invested, lack of cpu stops top flight fits, 3. Lack of low slots......Heavies move slower than CCP getting a marketplace set up, low slots = protection or repairers, BADLY NEEDED 4. Lack of scaling.......Heavies don`t scale well, because the base damage of HMG`s is so low all damage multipliers (SP or MOD have much less effect than they do for other weapons.
Dakarin Prime Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.03.18 12:33:00 - [29] - Quote They definitely need something at the ADV and PRO level. When I'm just messing around in my dragonfly AR scout suit with all militia mods I can go 1v1 with an ADV heavy and kill him a good 80% of the time. This is, of course, bad and average players. Good heavies know how to counter. That just doesn't seem right to me. Yes, we talk about "counters" all day long but if I'm in a STD scout suit with a STD assault rifle and MLT mods everywhere else, I should not be able to dance around an ADV fit heavy (usually the ADV heavies have at least the MH-82 ADV HMG) and kill him in ~3/4 of a magazine!
J Lav Lost-Legion Orion Empire 34	Posted - 2013.03.18 12:50:00 - [30] - Quote Heavies Job = killing Don't **** on them being good at it. It's their only function, Oh wait, they're not very good at it right now. In a militia suit, a complex damage modifier and a standard assault rifle, I can shoot most heavies down before they get me in a 1v1. It's not fun anymore, it's pretty sad. Fewer and fewer heavies out there. When I do run a heavy, it's with a forge gun now. HMG is pure garbage for me. Other classes have other things to do, hack objectives, be stealthy, drop nanohives... Heavies have one function, they should be better at it.



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