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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:13:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Intaki Assembly condemns "orbital strike tournament" Intaki - The Intaki Assembly has harshly condemned the Imperfects mercenary corporation for organizing a combat tournament on Intaki Prime which featured capsuleers providing off-field support via orbital strikes. The tournament, which involved mercenary corporations from across the cluster, was characterized by the Assembly as "an illegal bloodsport which caused untold damage to the planetary biosphere."
According to information gleaned from satellite reports, survey probes, and official releases from the organizers, the tournament took place amidst military installations recently abandoned by Mordu's Legion and the Ishukone Watch after the revocation of the Blind Auction by Tibus Heth. The mercenary corporations involved battled over the objectives on the planet, while capsuleers, who had been encouraged to place bets on the matches, were allowed to assault the facilities from orbit. Over the course of the tournament, numerous orbital strikes were recorded, and satellite images show several of the facilities have been reduced to rubble.
The majority of the installations were far from habited areas, typically being placed in arid regions of the planet without much surrounding wildlife. The Intaki Assembly claims this is irrelevant. "Orbital strikes, even tactical ones on remote sites, can kick up dust and spread pollution and wreckage," the press release read. "It is unconscionable that someone thought these activities were acceptable for entertainment and profit. That doesn't even consider the fact that it was essentially killing for fun. The Intaki Assembly would have never sanctioned such an event."
Tournament organizer Kane Spero brushed off such criticism, saying, "If anything, they should be thanking us for providing free demolition of those abandoned bases. If not for us, who knows? Kids might have gotten into them. Besides, it's not like anyone was permanently injured."
Not sure that I like this. At all. Sure, I've said some not so nice things about Imperfects in the past but this is tasteless to me. Player organizations are vaguely mentioned in the lore, not directly - in fact during the Fiction Contest we were told that player organizations -COULD NOT BE MENTIONED BY NAME-. Hell, the novel even referred to "a capsuleer war" rather than the actual war's title that took place between the player entities.
It's one thing if it's a role-play element, such as the Capsuleer Captain Nell sending a probe through a wormhole to investigate the Sansha Fleets in Jovian Space shortly before Incursion expansion, but I'm not very comfortable with non-role-player entities suddenly tying into the lore in such a way as this. I mean, come on, we don't even have a valid RP subsection like Intergalactic Summit - just a bunch of random posts in General Discussions.
I dunno. Maybe I'm over-reacting but this just seems really jacked up. Out of all the player organized events that have happened in Eve Online/Dust 514, and the ones that could potentially happen, this seems like a slight degree of favoritism. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
863
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:19:00 -
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When we see an interesting place for player interaction with the lore to be acknowledged, we're going to try to tie it in when possible in the future. We've been doing it with our live events in EVE, mentioning organizations who got involved in events. We're not planning on tying things in too tightly, so that if a player organization falls apart or the like, it won't negatively effect our lore.
It's definitely a change from how we used to do things, but we feel like DUST (and EVE) are player-driven games so we want to keep that consistent with our lore. |
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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:25:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:When we see an interesting place for player interaction with the lore to be acknowledged, we're going to try to tie it in when possible in the future. We've been doing it with our live events in EVE, mentioning organizations who got involved in events. We're not planning on tying things in too tightly, so that if a player organization falls apart or the like, it won't negatively effect our lore.
It's definitely a change from how we used to do things, but we feel like DUST (and EVE) are player-driven games so we want to keep that consistent with our lore.
Eh. Fair enough. Thanks for explaining it, though a little warning of the change would have been preferable (at least for me X_x)
Soooooo what's the likeliness of getting that RP Subsection, mate? Planetary Intergalactic Summit? You know it's a good idea. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Greatness Achieved Through Training
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:27:00 -
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This has been done in the past with Eve all the time, and no one has ever worried about it. I think your admitted bias against Imperfects is causing a bit of an overreaction on your end, bro. |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:29:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:This has been done in the past with Eve all the time, and no one has ever worried about it. I think your admitted bias against Imperfects is causing a bit of an overreaction on your end, bro. +1. This is great. Players, if doing great, will be part of early DUST (hi)story. |
Emi Love
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:32:00 -
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I agree with CCP, I think it is a good change, I mean it is the only noticeable thing other than the CCP organised events so far, I mean it is beta. So I can see how it could be a problem if it gets out of hand, but I think CCP will manage it as professionals, like they are paid for.
Plus it keeps the mass drones of clones happy and distracted.. For now.. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:35:00 -
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The only reason we haven't seen more 'player interaction with the lore' is because we're too busy complaining about the incomplete nature of the game to write any.
Colussus' Deceit, for example.
This story could be any corporation's story, but it isn't yet. Why? The features aren't implemented to allow for such to take place. Currently, our actions in Instant Battes don't mean anything to New Eden.
Besides, the progression of the Tibus Heth storyline is being affected directly by players as well.
Eventually, I like to imagine, we players will be running the lore. Not yet, perhaps. But soon. No trademark. |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1047
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Posted - 2013.03.06 12:03:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:This has been done in the past with Eve all the time, and no one has ever worried about it. I think your admitted bias against Imperfects is causing a bit of an overreaction on your end, bro.
I'd be more convinced if there were more evidence of this. You're more than welcome to provide that. |
KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
336
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Posted - 2013.03.06 12:21:00 -
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Your jelly levels are off the charts! |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
251
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Posted - 2013.03.06 12:24:00 -
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I dont see what the big deal is, make something that contributes to the game, pour your heart, sweat, real money, and tears into it (Kain) Have a group of people behind it to make it happen, and if it is popular, well done and people enjoy it, be recognized for what you have done.
I am failing to see the disconnect, Not like the imperfects or Kain really got anything out of this. People already know who we are and who Kain is. Its just a little blurb on a forum...... Whats the big deal. I fail to see the disconnect personally.
Its not like the imperfects or Kain got anything out of this, ain't no fricking medals or sunshine thats for sure.
IMO anyway.
Why not reward player effort to add to the gaming experience? And as rewards go this was over the line for you? |
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Himiko Kuronaga
Greatness Achieved Through Training
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Posted - 2013.03.06 12:39:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:This has been done in the past with Eve all the time, and no one has ever worried about it. I think your admitted bias against Imperfects is causing a bit of an overreaction on your end, bro. I'd be more convinced if there were more evidence of this. You're more than welcome to provide that.
A few weeks ago during the tribal summit event there were several players in eve escorting GM ships.
Many player organizations, as well as former members of RP blocks such as Ushra'Kahn, were mentioned by name in the news.
Even Goon suicide gank attempts were mentioned. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.06 12:46:00 -
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The level of disgust, awe and fear experienced directed towards Empyrians by mortals will reach new heights with stories like this in circulation.
Given the gift of immortaliy, this is how we choose to use it?
Tibus Heth was right to try and wipe us out. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:11:00 -
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It's not like an employee of CCP has ever shown bias to a player corp of EvE before... |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:17:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:This has been done in the past with Eve all the time, and no one has ever worried about it. I think your admitted bias against Imperfects is causing a bit of an overreaction on your end, bro. I'd be more convinced if there were more evidence of this. You're more than welcome to provide that. A few weeks ago during the tribal summit event there were several players in eve escorting GM ships. Many player organizations, as well as former members of RP blocks such as Ushra'Kahn, were mentioned by name in the news. Even Goon suicide gank attempts were mentioned.
Right, but Ushra'Kahn was an RP entity, as I had previously mentioned. In fact, they were the premier Minmatar RP entity fighting against Curatores Veratatis Alliance (spell check?) which were also an RP Entity; expanding into null-sec on behalf of the Amarrian Empire and (despite their major flaws) claiming to operate their space as if it were player-controlled high-sec. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:17:00 -
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The Arek'Jaalan site in Eram has the name of player pilots and corps that contributed to it on documents that are given to each pilot that comes to visit. Proud to have helped to build that place. All those pilots are now part of the lore.
The Imperfects did something interesting enough to make a news item. I don't see a problem. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Greatness Achieved Through Training
9
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:39:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:This has been done in the past with Eve all the time, and no one has ever worried about it. I think your admitted bias against Imperfects is causing a bit of an overreaction on your end, bro. I'd be more convinced if there were more evidence of this. You're more than welcome to provide that. A few weeks ago during the tribal summit event there were several players in eve escorting GM ships. Many player organizations, as well as former members of RP blocks such as Ushra'Kahn, were mentioned by name in the news. Even Goon suicide gank attempts were mentioned. Right, but Ushra'Kahn was an RP entity, as I had previously mentioned. In fact, they were the premier Minmatar RP entity fighting against Curatores Veratatis Alliance (spell check?) which were also an RP Entity; expanding into null-sec on behalf of the Amarrian Empire and (despite their major flaws) claiming to operate their space as if it were player-controlled high-sec.
That's irrelevant though, isn't it?
They are players effecting the outcome of the lore. Making the conscious decision to try and do that doesn't change the fact that it's being done.
Besides that, Goons only Trollplay. They still got mentioned.
You can take any event and spin it into good lore with effective writing. Doesn't matter who took part in it. All that changes are the quotes and the names. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
430
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Posted - 2013.03.06 14:16:00 -
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I kinda understand where Aeon's coming from - I've been following the lore for 8 years and this is definitely a change to how CCP does things. Is there any lore that has EVE beta testers written into it? Maybe, but none that I'm aware of.
But on the other hand, I saw a thread yesterday commenting on the fact that many new immigrants to New Eden were completely disconnected from the lore and seemed likley to stay so. I think that writing the beta test's highest profile corp into the lore is really good bang-for-the-buck in terms of getting some 'lore traction' going for the greater DUST community.
That being said, here's a message for CCP: don't try too hard with this. The backstory in New Eden is powerful and rich, it rings with mythological truth. It kind of sneeks up on players given enough time. So give it time and play the long game CCP, have faith in your creation. Any player whois not pathologically resistant to lore will eventually find some points of connection to New Eden naturally and in their own good time.
/pontification |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
57
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Posted - 2013.03.06 14:21:00 -
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Just so long as no one gets gear they otherwise shouldn't get, and no undo attention that another corp can't get then I am fine with aa tip of that to their commitment to the game. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.06 14:58:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:When we see an interesting place for player interaction with the lore to be acknowledged, we're going to try to tie it in when possible in the future. We've been doing it with our live events in EVE, mentioning organizations who got involved in events. We're not planning on tying things in too tightly, so that if a player organization falls apart or the like, it won't negatively effect our lore.
It's definitely a change from how we used to do things, but we feel like DUST (and EVE) are player-driven games so we want to keep that consistent with our lore.
I should get a paragraph of lore about me. |
Travi Zyg
G I A N T
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:13:00 -
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i think this kind of thing is awesome tbh. Dust 514 has been the first game in years that has gotten me truly interested in background and deep lore from EVE and what-not. Last time i had that feeling was during my phantasy star online years back in high school. I just wish i had the time/resuorces to really educate myself no the background of everything giong on in EVE and Dust 514 because it all looks very daunting and large at a glance.
On that note, id really like to inject myself a bit more into the world of New Eden. Does anyone know where i could find a bit of a summary of past events in EVE and DUST that will at least get me started in the role playing and lore department? |
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Gottlieb Daimler
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:14:00 -
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I am extremely okay with this. It's about time player organizations were acknowledged in the lore, despite not being 'RP corps'.
Up until now, we've mostly been in this kind of really awkward situation where there's basically two realities in one realm. The RP groups would live in their own bubble, being acknowledged from time to time by the lore, whilst all other player entities would be ignored, despite for instance being insanely rich and owning half the cluster in sovereignty.
There is no reason for non-RP groups to break immersion by being acknowledged. We're all either immortal clone soldiers or immortal clone pilots. That many of us kill for sport and have ridiculous agendas bordering on insanity makes sense.
As far as I'm concerned, non-RP groups seemingly not existing to the NPC world is what really breaks immersion. I'm glad it's changing.
This, and the mention of the Northern Coalition in Templar One, is an excellent start. I applaud it and hope for more! *pokes CCP Eterne* |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:20:00 -
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Don't worry, Aeon. If you continue to whinepost all over forums you will eventually get your own story as... hmmm yeah, things don't work that way. Try being beneficial to the community and do something fun instead. This just builds bad reputation to you, to be really honest.
This is cool, and will remain cool. And since it is DUST, RP side of things have to be different as you can't really RP that well in an fps anyway...
I am sure if Searphim/Zion/GIANT/SyN or anyone else organized anything big like this they would get mention as well, but Kane was the first. Hopefully others will follow and build stories and universe as we go. And less post about "why did he get a story and I didn't" on forums. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:23:00 -
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Are you Kidding OP? CCP is doing something I don't think I've ever seen another game do before. Making the players actually feel like they are involved in this world, Which is exactly what I was hoping for when I watched that Dust 514 trailer about the way of the Mercenary . This is great, i love it, we are truly becoming a part of New Eden. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
307
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:25:00 -
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It's worth noting that specific player groups have been mentioned in lore-related news before, especially when it comes to Intaki.
There has been an Intaki Liberation Front for years and they were brought into the lore years ago.
Also, this is more of a news item, not a "Chronicle". News items are very often about player corps. |
Travi Zyg
G I A N T
23
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:28:00 -
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Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Don't worry, Aeon. If you continue to whinepost all over forums you will eventually get your own story as... hmmm yeah, things don't work that way. Try being beneficial to the community and do something fun instead. This just builds bad reputation to you, to be really honest.
This is cool, and will remain cool. And since it is DUST, RP side of things have to be different as you can't really RP that well in an fps anyway...
I am sure if Searphim/Zion/GIANT/SyN or anyone else organized anything big like this they would get mention as well, but Kane was the first. Hopefully others will follow and build stories and universe as we go. And less post about "why did he get a story and I didn't" on forums.
I think i speak for most, if not all of G I A N T, when i say that we are all about promoting a positive community , creating strong alliances as well as enemies in the process. I for one would be in full support of other future events to potentially boost fun factor and lore/fresh excitement for everyone involved with DUST whether its our Corp hosting or another one. |
Gottlieb Daimler
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:44:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:It's worth noting that specific player groups have been mentioned in lore-related news before, especially when it comes to Intaki.
There has been an Intaki Liberation Front for years and they were brought into the lore years ago.
Also, this is more of a news item, not a "Chronicle". News items are very often about player corps. RP corps being mentioned in lore is nothing new. Non-RP player groups being acknowledged, that's new. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
58
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:49:00 -
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They need to be careful with it since being primarily a FPS the amount of RP that goes on compared to EvE is very, very little. If all it takes is size of an event to get noticed then you are going to dilute the amazingly reach detail that already exists within the setting.
Dust may involve a bunch of Immortal mercenaries but it is in EvE where the demi-gods dwell. How do you balance the lore between the two? I for one would want the RP/Lore elements to always remain stronger than just the size of an event. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
877
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:50:00 -
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We actually had a chronicle several years ago which specifically mentioned Curse Alliance and the Black Omega |
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Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1157
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Posted - 2013.03.06 16:06:00 -
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I think with FW coming there is a lot of potential for merc corps to be part of EvE lore. When epic battles occur there can be endless RP material.
I do appreciate that when mentioned the lore does stick with our persona. All credit goes to Kain though for the efforts into to the Open Beta Tourny and for CCP that sponsered the rewards. |
I HateMyFace
BetaMax.
16
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Posted - 2013.03.06 16:10:00 -
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I think its pretty cool. It actually feels like dust is kind of connected to eve just a little more |
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