DUST Search - Imperfects Affecting Lore?

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Alright alright alright... Since this thread exploded while I was at work....

There's some big confusion as to what the primary issue is here - and perhaps I did what I always do and just voiced it wrong. So allow me to try it once more and be as thorough as I possibly can while maintaining a calm demeanor.

There is a great deal of (and I'm paraphrasing) "you're just jealous" and "I have no problem with it". I'm not inclined to believe that a player organization (especially one so high-profile as one other member suggested in this thread) just up and suddenly deserves an in-game news article with mention from an NPC; tying directly into the lore.

To elaborate on this, what I truly mean to say: Out of all the player organized events, why this one? There have been countless other 'tournaments' and 'contests' run by Capsuleers in Eve Online and yet this one was chosen. Is it coincidence that the organizers of such an event were, in fact, Imperfects and their high-profile rivaling that of Goonswarm in New Eden? What's the actual basis behind the decision to mention -THIS PARTICULAR EVENT- if not for the fact that they are the most outspoken and commonly mentioned corporation in Dust 514 at current?

Yes, I am bias against Imperfects mostly because of their demeanor on the forums. For a game so complex and immersive, with so much depth, it's not uncommon for me to shake my head at some of the immaturity I've seen from the members. This, however, has absolutely nothing to do with why I blew the whistle on this particular topic. See above. I'm entitled to my opinions, just as much as anyone else - but I don't let it affect my judgement.

Yes, I PREFER that Player Organizations mentioned in the Lore at least have some valid tie-in to the game in the form of role-play. This comes from my experience not only as a player, but a developer of RPI (role-playing intensive) MUDS in which primary plot devices were left solely to those who actually tried to be immersed in the world and not just play the game. In my opinion, there are more deserving subjects and far more deserving players who have actually gone out of their way to achieve mention of this caliber.

Admittedly, the more I pay attention to this thread (and it's more intuitive responses) the more I lean toward acceptance of this as a whole. This is not to say that I am going to back down from my position, simply that I am swaying in the hard-line that I've since created.


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Gottlieb Daimler Shining Flame Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.03.06 15:14:00 - [1] - Quote I am extremely okay with this. It's about time player organizations were acknowledged in the lore, despite not being 'RP corps'. Up until now, we've mostly been in this kind of really awkward situation where there's basically two realities in one realm. The RP groups would live in their own bubble, being acknowledged from time to time by the lore, whilst all other player entities would be ignored, despite for instance being insanely rich and owning half the cluster in sovereignty. There is no reason for non-RP groups to break immersion by being acknowledged. We're all either immortal clone soldiers or immortal clone pilots. That many of us kill for sport and have ridiculous agendas bordering on insanity makes sense. As far as I'm concerned, non-RP groups seemingly not existing to the NPC world is what really breaks immersion. I'm glad it's changing. This, and the mention of the Northern Coalition in Templar One, is an excellent start. I applaud it and hope for more! pokes CCP Eterne
Gottlieb Daimler Shining Flame Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.03.06 15:44:00 - [2] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: It's worth noting that specific player groups have been mentioned in lore-related news before, especially when it comes to Intaki. There has been an Intaki Liberation Front for years and they were brought into the lore years ago. Also, this is more of a news item, not a "Chronicle". News items are very often about player corps. RP corps being mentioned in lore is nothing new. Non-RP player groups being acknowledged, that's new.
Gottlieb Daimler Shining Flame Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.03.07 06:44:00 - [3] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Alright alright alright... Since this thread exploded while I was at work.... There's some big confusion as to what the primary issue is here - and perhaps I did what I always do and just voiced it wrong. So allow me to try it once more and be as thorough as I possibly can while maintaining a calm demeanor. There is a great deal of (and I'm paraphrasing) "you're just jealous" and "I have no problem with it". I'm not inclined to believe that a player organization (especially one so high-profile as one other member suggested in this thread) just up and suddenly deserves an in-game news article with mention from an NPC; tying directly into the lore. To elaborate on this, what I truly mean to say: Out of all the player organized events, why this one? There have been countless other 'tournaments' and 'contests' run by Capsuleers in Eve Online and yet this one was chosen. Is it coincidence that the organizers of such an event were, in fact, Imperfects and their high-profile rivaling that of Goonswarm in New Eden? What's the actual basis behind the decision to mention -THIS PARTICULAR EVENT- if not for the fact that they are the most outspoken and commonly mentioned corporation in Dust 514 at current? Yes, I am bias against Imperfects mostly because of their demeanor on the forums. For a game so complex and immersive, with so much depth, it's not uncommon for me to shake my head at some of the immaturity I've seen from the members. This, however, has absolutely nothing to do with why I blew the whistle on this particular topic. See above. I'm entitled to my opinions, just as much as anyone else - but I don't let it affect my judgement. Yes, I PREFER that Player Organizations mentioned in the Lore at least have some valid tie-in to the game in the form of role-play. This comes from my experience not only as a player, but a developer of RPI (role-playing intensive) MUDS in which primary plot devices were left solely to those who actually tried to be immersed in the world and not just play the game. In my opinion, there are more deserving subjects and far more deserving players who have actually gone out of their way to achieve mention of this caliber. Admittedly, the more I pay attention to this thread (and it's more intuitive responses) the more I lean toward acceptance of this as a whole. This is not to say that I am going to back down from my position, simply that I am swaying in the hard-line that I've since created. Because it was a big, well-advertised event that included a lot of people in both Eve and DUST. Unlike you, CCP doesn't decide to not include people based on the way they post on a forum. There is no problem with this. CCP recognized a group of players by mentioning them. That's it! I think it's just a great piece of community engagement. If they had been given stuff, or given 'the opportunity' to get stuff, we'd be talking about an entirely different ballpark. Those kinds of rewards and events only lead to the bad old days of Aurora where an alliance in Eve was given pre-event knowledge so that they could acquire a Hel supercarrier at no cost or risk. (present day value approx. 22 billion ISK, although this was a long time ago) And, of course, there's the whole BoB and t20 thing which was way worse, but the Hel incident is more relevant considering that was actually related to RP/a live event.