DUST Search - Imperfects Affecting Lore?

Aeon Amadi wrote:

CCP Eterne wrote:

Intaki Assembly condemns "orbital strike tournament"
Intaki - The Intaki Assembly has harshly condemned the Imperfects mercenary corporation for organizing a combat tournament on Intaki Prime which featured capsuleers providing off-field support via orbital strikes. The tournament, which involved mercenary corporations from across the cluster, was characterized by the Assembly as "an illegal bloodsport which caused untold damage to the planetary biosphere."

According to information gleaned from satellite reports, survey probes, and official releases from the organizers, the tournament took place amidst military installations recently abandoned by Mordu's Legion and the Ishukone Watch after the revocation of the Blind Auction by Tibus Heth. The mercenary corporations involved battled over the objectives on the planet, while capsuleers, who had been encouraged to place bets on the matches, were allowed to assault the facilities from orbit. Over the course of the tournament, numerous orbital strikes were recorded, and satellite images show several of the facilities have been reduced to rubble.

The majority of the installations were far from habited areas, typically being placed in arid regions of the planet without much surrounding wildlife. The Intaki Assembly claims this is irrelevant. "Orbital strikes, even tactical ones on remote sites, can kick up dust and spread pollution and wreckage," the press release read. "It is unconscionable that someone thought these activities were acceptable for entertainment and profit. That doesn't even consider the fact that it was essentially killing for fun. The Intaki Assembly would have never sanctioned such an event."

Tournament organizer Kane Spero brushed off such criticism, saying, "If anything, they should be thanking us for providing free demolition of those abandoned bases. If not for us, who knows? Kids might have gotten into them. Besides, it's not like anyone was permanently injured."

Not sure that I like this. At all. Sure, I've said some not so nice things about Imperfects in the past but this is tasteless to me. Player organizations are vaguely mentioned in the lore, not directly - in fact during the Fiction Contest we were told that player organizations -COULD NOT BE MENTIONED BY NAME-. Hell, the novel even referred to "a capsuleer war" rather than the actual war's title that took place between the player entities.

It's one thing if it's a role-play element, such as the Capsuleer Captain Nell sending a probe through a wormhole to investigate the Sansha Fleets in Jovian Space shortly before Incursion expansion, but I'm not very comfortable with non-role-player entities suddenly tying into the lore in such a way as this. I mean, come on, we don't even have a valid RP subsection like Intergalactic Summit - just a bunch of random posts in General Discussions.

I dunno. Maybe I'm over-reacting but this just seems really jacked up. Out of all the player organized events that have happened in Eve Online/Dust 514, and the ones that could potentially happen, this seems like a slight degree of favoritism.

EDIT: There seems to be a misconception that this is simply because 'Imperfects' was mentioned and I admitted bias. This is not the case. If it were -any- corporation, ZionTCD, STB, Seraphim; it wouldn't have mattered. My response would have been the same. The cause for concern was that a player entity was named directly and there was no RP element to interact with it.

As can be seen below through CCP Eterne's response, and my response in kind, this is brought on by new circumstances in the way player organized events are handled.

ADDITIONAL EDIT: Further elaboration and addendum given here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=600525#post600525

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Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 83	Posted - 2013.03.07 03:14:00 - [61] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: If you want Orion or whatnot to get noticed- do some heavy lifting. Do something worth a news article. Amen. /thread
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 312	Posted - 2013.03.07 03:20:00 - [62] - Quote Free Beers wrote: This. Absolutely the winners of the tournament should be worked into the lore of EvE. Those big bad mercs battling on planet for blood sport is epic. Honestly, the way it was incorporated was epically appropriate, too. If my great-grandmother (RP EVE character) was still on Intaki, she'd have been complaining. "Damage to the life force of the jungle" and kitten like that. Of course, after the way those pro-Caldari fanatics treated her and her students after the Betrayal of Intaki, she got a lot more bloodthirsty...
General Hornet Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 21	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:37:00 - [63] - Quote You jelly OP? Its a Imperfect world so after you fill my buckets with all your tears get off my lawn
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1052	Posted - 2013.03.07 06:37:00 - [64] - Quote Alright alright alright... Since this thread exploded while I was at work.... There's some big confusion as to what the primary issue is here - and perhaps I did what I always do and just voiced it wrong. So allow me to try it once more and be as thorough as I possibly can while maintaining a calm demeanor. There is a great deal of (and I'm paraphrasing) "you're just jealous" and "I have no problem with it". I'm not inclined to believe that a player organization (especially one so high-profile as one other member suggested in this thread) just up and suddenly deserves an in-game news article with mention from an NPC; tying directly into the lore. To elaborate on this, what I truly mean to say: Out of all the player organized events, why this one? There have been countless other 'tournaments' and 'contests' run by Capsuleers in Eve Online and yet this one was chosen. Is it coincidence that the organizers of such an event were, in fact, Imperfects and their high-profile rivaling that of Goonswarm in New Eden? What's the actual basis behind the decision to mention -THIS PARTICULAR EVENT- if not for the fact that they are the most outspoken and commonly mentioned corporation in Dust 514 at current? Yes, I am bias against Imperfects mostly because of their demeanor on the forums. For a game so complex and immersive, with so much depth, it's not uncommon for me to shake my head at some of the immaturity I've seen from the members. This, however, has absolutely nothing to do with why I blew the whistle on this particular topic. See above. I'm entitled to my opinions, just as much as anyone else - but I don't let it affect my judgement. Yes, I PREFER that Player Organizations mentioned in the Lore at least have some valid tie-in to the game in the form of role-play. This comes from my experience not only as a player, but a developer of RPI (role-playing intensive) MUDS in which primary plot devices were left solely to those who actually tried to be immersed in the world and not just play the game. In my opinion, there are more deserving subjects and far more deserving players who have actually gone out of their way to achieve mention of this caliber. Admittedly, the more I pay attention to this thread (and it's more intuitive responses) the more I lean toward acceptance of this as a whole. This is not to say that I am going to back down from my position, simply that I am swaying in the hard-line that I've since created.
Gottlieb Daimler Shining Flame Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.03.07 06:44:00 - [65] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Alright alright alright... Since this thread exploded while I was at work.... There's some big confusion as to what the primary issue is here - and perhaps I did what I always do and just voiced it wrong. So allow me to try it once more and be as thorough as I possibly can while maintaining a calm demeanor. There is a great deal of (and I'm paraphrasing) "you're just jealous" and "I have no problem with it". I'm not inclined to believe that a player organization (especially one so high-profile as one other member suggested in this thread) just up and suddenly deserves an in-game news article with mention from an NPC; tying directly into the lore. To elaborate on this, what I truly mean to say: Out of all the player organized events, why this one? There have been countless other 'tournaments' and 'contests' run by Capsuleers in Eve Online and yet this one was chosen. Is it coincidence that the organizers of such an event were, in fact, Imperfects and their high-profile rivaling that of Goonswarm in New Eden? What's the actual basis behind the decision to mention -THIS PARTICULAR EVENT- if not for the fact that they are the most outspoken and commonly mentioned corporation in Dust 514 at current? Yes, I am bias against Imperfects mostly because of their demeanor on the forums. For a game so complex and immersive, with so much depth, it's not uncommon for me to shake my head at some of the immaturity I've seen from the members. This, however, has absolutely nothing to do with why I blew the whistle on this particular topic. See above. I'm entitled to my opinions, just as much as anyone else - but I don't let it affect my judgement. Yes, I PREFER that Player Organizations mentioned in the Lore at least have some valid tie-in to the game in the form of role-play. This comes from my experience not only as a player, but a developer of RPI (role-playing intensive) MUDS in which primary plot devices were left solely to those who actually tried to be immersed in the world and not just play the game. In my opinion, there are more deserving subjects and far more deserving players who have actually gone out of their way to achieve mention of this caliber. Admittedly, the more I pay attention to this thread (and it's more intuitive responses) the more I lean toward acceptance of this as a whole. This is not to say that I am going to back down from my position, simply that I am swaying in the hard-line that I've since created. Because it was a big, well-advertised event that included a lot of people in both Eve and DUST. Unlike you, CCP doesn't decide to not include people based on the way they post on a forum. There is no problem with this. CCP recognized a group of players by mentioning them. That's it! I think it's just a great piece of community engagement. If they had been given stuff, or given 'the opportunity' to get stuff, we'd be talking about an entirely different ballpark. Those kinds of rewards and events only lead to the bad old days of Aurora where an alliance in Eve was given pre-event knowledge so that they could acquire a Hel supercarrier at no cost or risk. (present day value approx. 22 billion ISK, although this was a long time ago) And, of course, there's the whole BoB and t20 thing which was way worse, but the Hel incident is more relevant considering that was actually related to RP/a live event.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1052	Posted - 2013.03.07 07:14:00 - [66] - Quote Gottlieb Daimler wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Alright alright alright... Since this thread exploded while I was at work.... There's some big confusion as to what the primary issue is here - and perhaps I did what I always do and just voiced it wrong. So allow me to try it once more and be as thorough as I possibly can while maintaining a calm demeanor. There is a great deal of (and I'm paraphrasing) "you're just jealous" and "I have no problem with it". I'm not inclined to believe that a player organization (especially one so high-profile as one other member suggested in this thread) just up and suddenly deserves an in-game news article with mention from an NPC; tying directly into the lore. To elaborate on this, what I truly mean to say: Out of all the player organized events, why this one? There have been countless other 'tournaments' and 'contests' run by Capsuleers in Eve Online and yet this one was chosen. Is it coincidence that the organizers of such an event were, in fact, Imperfects and their high-profile rivaling that of Goonswarm in New Eden? What's the actual basis behind the decision to mention -THIS PARTICULAR EVENT- if not for the fact that they are the most outspoken and commonly mentioned corporation in Dust 514 at current? Yes, I am bias against Imperfects mostly because of their demeanor on the forums. For a game so complex and immersive, with so much depth, it's not uncommon for me to shake my head at some of the immaturity I've seen from the members. This, however, has absolutely nothing to do with why I blew the whistle on this particular topic. See above. I'm entitled to my opinions, just as much as anyone else - but I don't let it affect my judgement. Yes, I PREFER that Player Organizations mentioned in the Lore at least have some valid tie-in to the game in the form of role-play. This comes from my experience not only as a player, but a developer of RPI (role-playing intensive) MUDS in which primary plot devices were left solely to those who actually tried to be immersed in the world and not just play the game. In my opinion, there are more deserving subjects and far more deserving players who have actually gone out of their way to achieve mention of this caliber. Admittedly, the more I pay attention to this thread (and it's more intuitive responses) the more I lean toward acceptance of this as a whole. This is not to say that I am going to back down from my position, simply that I am swaying in the hard-line that I've since created. Because it was a big, well-advertised event that included a lot of people in both Eve and DUST. Unlike you, CCP doesn't decide to not include people based on the way they post on a forum. There is no problem with this. CCP recognized a group of players by mentioning them. That's it! I think it's just a great piece of community engagement. If they had been given stuff, or given 'the opportunity' to get stuff, we'd be talking about an entirely different ballpark. Those kinds of rewards and events only lead to the bad old days of Aurora where an alliance in Eve was given pre-event knowledge so that they could acquire a Hel supercarrier at no cost or risk. (present day value approx. 22 billion ISK, although this was a long time ago) And, of course, there's the whole BoB and t20 thing which was way worse, but the Hel incident is more relevant considering that was actually related to RP/a live event. Annnnnd your justification for this seems to completely evade the most important aspect that I've provided... There are more deserving events that could have warranted just as much attention. I.E: Larger engagements between the Faction Warfare entities, or even that 10,000 wreck RvB Frigate frenzy that occurred not too long ago.. Sure, it made headlines in all the gaming websites but did Tibus Heth up and decide, "To hell with Red versus Blue and their instigation of mass-murder for fun!" I'm not caught up with -all- the Lore, but I'm fairly certain there's been a few high-profile engagements that CCP just happens to shy away from. And before we get into an argument on how much crew a Frigate has, there's been extensive favor toward the fact that some of them do...
Gridboss BetaMax. 185	Posted - 2013.03.07 07:19:00 - [67] - Quote One thing that needs to be realised by some people in this thread is that everyone, regardless of who they are and what they're doing, is playing a role within New Eden. There is no special group of people that can exclusively have an effect on the backstory and lore of New Eden: everyone does, regardless of whether you think they should or not. They were there, they did something. End of story. As someone that has had his name enter the lore and new articles several times (to the point where Sansha's Nation wants my head: literally), I am perfectly fine with what has happened. No, more than that; I am happy that this has happened. And remember this: because of this event, the Intaki Assembly doesn't really like "Negative Feedback". This can (and likely will) factor into future interactions between the two groups. The NPC factions don't seem to be real entities (and to some degree, have been a stone walls in the past) but that's changing. You can thank CCP for that.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1043	Posted - 2013.03.07 22:37:00 - [68] - Quote I've actually been involved with RPing in Eve since I started playing Eve back in 2005. I only have one main in Eve because I feel every action I take should follow me and have tangible consequences for me and my character. Aeon Amadi, I'm sorry if the first player-run Dust tournament that has involved over two thousand mercs, billions in ISK prizes, hundreds of dollars in digital and physical prizes from CCP and the community, over 5 Billion ISK in betting FROM EVE, weeks of preparation, and over a month to execute is not up to your standards. I will try my best in the future to exceed your goals, so that a Dust-focused event can be worthy in your eyes of a passing mention in the world of New Eden. I will be sure to communicate to the community that we should all try harder. I'm sure, with effort, we'll all get there.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 369	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:25:00 - [69] - Quote We will be affecting the lore of FW for all who pay us. We are the turning force for any faction or we will be the saboteurs of your enemies. And yes when EVE the TV show becomes real we will be a major plotline, umad?
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1150	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:31:00 - [70] - Quote You do know the uncomping TV series for dust/eve and the dark horse comics are all storyies about in game corporations and based on submitted player stories right? Also that eve has been mentioning alliances in news for the past 8 years >.> We are the lore, welcome to the ****ing sandbox, get good, get famous, one server , one world

crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1150	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:32:00 - [71] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: We will be affecting the lore of FW for all who pay us. We are the turning force for any faction or we will be the saboteurs of your enemies. And yes when EVE the TV show becomes real we will be a major plotline, umad? You actually will be featured in the TV show and comic I'm sure, even only a little.
Vallud Eadesso Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 126	Posted - 2013.05.16 02:46:00 - [72] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: Intaki Assembly condemns "orbital strike tournament" Intaki - The Intaki Assembly has harshly condemned the Imperfects mercenary corporation for organizing a combat tournament on Intaki Prime which featured capsuleers providing off-field support via orbital strikes. The tournament, which involved mercenary corporations from across the cluster, was characterized by the Assembly as "an illegal bloodsport which caused untold damage to the planetary biosphere." According to information gleaned from satellite reports, survey probes, and official releases from the organizers, the tournament took place amidst military installations recently abandoned by Mordu's Legion and the Ishukone Watch after the revocation of the Blind Auction by Tibus Heth. The mercenary corporations involved battled over the objectives on the planet, while capsuleers, who had been encouraged to place bets on the matches, were allowed to assault the facilities from orbit. Over the course of the tournament, numerous orbital strikes were recorded, and satellite images show several of the facilities have been reduced to rubble. The majority of the installations were far from habited areas, typically being placed in arid regions of the planet without much surrounding wildlife. The Intaki Assembly claims this is irrelevant. "Orbital strikes, even tactical ones on remote sites, can kick up dust and spread pollution and wreckage," the press release read. "It is unconscionable that someone thought these activities were acceptable for entertainment and profit. That doesn't even consider the fact that it was essentially killing for fun. The Intaki Assembly would have never sanctioned such an event." Tournament organizer Kane Spero brushed off such criticism, saying, "If anything, they should be thanking us for providing free demolition of those abandoned bases. If not for us, who knows? Kids might have gotten into them. Besides, it's not like anyone was permanently injured." Not sure that I like this. At all. Sure, I've said some not so nice things about Imperfects in the past but this is tasteless to me. Player organizations are vaguely mentioned in the lore, not directly - in fact during the Fiction Contest we were told that player organizations -COULD NOT BE MENTIONED BY NAME-. Hell, the novel even referred to "a capsuleer war" rather than the actual war's title that took place between the player entities. It's one thing if it's a role-play element, such as the Capsuleer Captain Nell sending a probe through a wormhole to investigate the Sansha Fleets in Jovian Space shortly before Incursion expansion, but I'm not very comfortable with non-role-player entities suddenly tying into the lore in such a way as this. I mean, come on, we don't even have a valid RP subsection like Intergalactic Summit - just a bunch of random posts in General Discussions. I dunno. Maybe I'm over-reacting but this just seems really jacked up. Out of all the player organized events that have happened in Eve Online/Dust 514, and the ones that could potentially happen, this seems like a slight degree of favoritism. EDIT: There seems to be a misconception that this is simply because 'Imperfects' was mentioned and I admitted bias. This is not the case. If it were -any- corporation, ZionTCD, STB, Seraphim; it wouldn't have mattered. My response would have been the same. The cause for concern was that a player entity was named directly and there was no RP element to interact with it. As can be seen below through CCP Eterne's response, and my response in kind, this is brought on by new circumstances in the way player organized events are handled. ADDITIONAL EDIT: Further elaboration and addendum given here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=600525#post600525 As much as we're all supposed to have a healthy in game rivalry, and on the forums we'll all smack talk each other 'for the lols' as the cool kids say, none of this is anything new for CCP. Goonfleet Federation are well written into the lore for the demonstrations and Hulkageddon events they've caused. The massive wars and back stabbings you keep reading about all over the net are done by real players, real corp and real alliances and you should get ready to see a lot of names you don't like in the headlines. That said, be careful. Sure, on these forums I'm going to smack talk the Imperfects all day long. I'm going to make jokes about their preference for bed partners and question their heritage and upbringing. But I do it safe in the knowledge that they can certainly take it and will give as good as they get. But the MOMENT that starts effecting you in real life, if you feel a true burning hatred for someone in reality who just so happens to play in a different alliance\corp from you who may have a reputation... it might be time to step away from the PC\PS3 for a few months. I'm sure if\when I meet the imperfects in battle a few heated words will be exchanged, but if I ever meet 'em at a fanfest, i'm sure i'd happily share a drink and war stories with 'em too.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 373	Posted - 2013.05.16 04:28:00 - [73] - Quote Vallud Eadesso wrote: I'm sure if\when I meet the imperfects in battle a few heated words will be exchanged, but if I ever meet 'em at a fanfest, i'm sure i'd happily share a drink and war stories with 'em too. Tosses this guy a cold one as we reminisce a year of IMP glory
Warpfiend Thanos Forsaken Immortals Gentlemen's Agreement 51	Posted - 2013.05.16 06:20:00 - [74] - Quote I'm quite neutral to this "love em or hate em" attitude people seem to have towards the Imperfects. From what I hear they're good players and enjoy the role of antagonists, it's fun to be the "bad guys" Everybody knows about this battle and I think it was funny, kudos for good beta testing. I think it's brilliant that we can get our names in the EVE history books for noteworthy contributions to the game, it might inspire people to do crazy things, I'm looking forward to seeing what's next.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1748	Posted - 2013.05.16 06:23:00 - [75] - Quote Warpfiend Thanos wrote: I'm quite neutral to this "love em or hate em" attitude people seem to have towards the Imperfects. From what I hear they're good players and enjoy the role of antagonists, it's fun to be the "bad guys" Everybody knows about this battle and I think it was funny, kudos for good beta testing. I think it's brilliant that we can get our names in the EVE history books for noteworthy contributions to the game, it might inspire people to do crazy things, I'm looking forward to seeing what's next. But I'm not a bad guy
LowKiii Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.05.16 06:39:00 - [76] - Quote Why does it have to tie into history? We should be creating new stories. That, I think, will be the most fun part of the game. Creating our own storylines. Not following some linear path that some Dev just scribbled together, not running to an NPC that want's you to be his errand boy and makes you go collect 10 apples and upon completion asks you to go kill 5 goblins or whatever. Gimme a freakin' break. Stay Frosty LowKiie
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 300	Posted - 2013.05.16 07:10:00 - [77] - Quote Hopefully we take control of season2! Attack of the bunnies!
steadyhand amarr BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 539	Posted - 2013.05.16 07:54:00 - [78] - Quote So uh still desperately clinging to past glory in an attempt to stay relevant in a game that has moved on. Really these new imps are very disappointing do somthing of note today before u go the way of Roman empire
Re-FLeX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 227	Posted - 2013.05.16 09:01:00 - [79] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: So uh still desperately clinging to past glory in an attempt to stay relevant in a game that has moved on. Really these new imps are very disappointing do somthing of note today before u go the way of Roman empire Lol? New imps? steady you were never a factor (you're a nice guy don't get me wrong) the glory is still here in the now.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1329	Posted - 2013.05.16 09:04:00 - [80] - Quote Wow. This thread got revived? I must have pissed someone off...

Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1467	Posted - 2013.05.16 09:11:00 - [81] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Wow. This thread got revived? I must have pissed someone off... I wouldn't take it personally
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1330	Posted - 2013.05.16 09:29:00 - [82] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Wow. This thread got revived? I must have pissed someone off... I wouldn't take it personally Trust me, I don't. It's a good feeling waking up every day knowing I don't have that reputation plastered under my name.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1467	Posted - 2013.05.16 09:35:00 - [83] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Wow. This thread got revived? I must have pissed someone off... I wouldn't take it personally Trust me, I don't. It's a good feeling waking up every day knowing I don't have that reputation plastered under my name. OH SNAP. There I go offering polite reassurance in case you feel targeted and you're all BAM, SUDDENLY A JERK.


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