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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:13:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Intaki Assembly condemns "orbital strike tournament" Intaki - The Intaki Assembly has harshly condemned the Imperfects mercenary corporation for organizing a combat tournament on Intaki Prime which featured capsuleers providing off-field support via orbital strikes. The tournament, which involved mercenary corporations from across the cluster, was characterized by the Assembly as "an illegal bloodsport which caused untold damage to the planetary biosphere."
According to information gleaned from satellite reports, survey probes, and official releases from the organizers, the tournament took place amidst military installations recently abandoned by Mordu's Legion and the Ishukone Watch after the revocation of the Blind Auction by Tibus Heth. The mercenary corporations involved battled over the objectives on the planet, while capsuleers, who had been encouraged to place bets on the matches, were allowed to assault the facilities from orbit. Over the course of the tournament, numerous orbital strikes were recorded, and satellite images show several of the facilities have been reduced to rubble.
The majority of the installations were far from habited areas, typically being placed in arid regions of the planet without much surrounding wildlife. The Intaki Assembly claims this is irrelevant. "Orbital strikes, even tactical ones on remote sites, can kick up dust and spread pollution and wreckage," the press release read. "It is unconscionable that someone thought these activities were acceptable for entertainment and profit. That doesn't even consider the fact that it was essentially killing for fun. The Intaki Assembly would have never sanctioned such an event."
Tournament organizer Kane Spero brushed off such criticism, saying, "If anything, they should be thanking us for providing free demolition of those abandoned bases. If not for us, who knows? Kids might have gotten into them. Besides, it's not like anyone was permanently injured."
Not sure that I like this. At all. Sure, I've said some not so nice things about Imperfects in the past but this is tasteless to me. Player organizations are vaguely mentioned in the lore, not directly - in fact during the Fiction Contest we were told that player organizations -COULD NOT BE MENTIONED BY NAME-. Hell, the novel even referred to "a capsuleer war" rather than the actual war's title that took place between the player entities.
It's one thing if it's a role-play element, such as the Capsuleer Captain Nell sending a probe through a wormhole to investigate the Sansha Fleets in Jovian Space shortly before Incursion expansion, but I'm not very comfortable with non-role-player entities suddenly tying into the lore in such a way as this. I mean, come on, we don't even have a valid RP subsection like Intergalactic Summit - just a bunch of random posts in General Discussions.
I dunno. Maybe I'm over-reacting but this just seems really jacked up. Out of all the player organized events that have happened in Eve Online/Dust 514, and the ones that could potentially happen, this seems like a slight degree of favoritism. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:25:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:When we see an interesting place for player interaction with the lore to be acknowledged, we're going to try to tie it in when possible in the future. We've been doing it with our live events in EVE, mentioning organizations who got involved in events. We're not planning on tying things in too tightly, so that if a player organization falls apart or the like, it won't negatively effect our lore.
It's definitely a change from how we used to do things, but we feel like DUST (and EVE) are player-driven games so we want to keep that consistent with our lore.
Eh. Fair enough. Thanks for explaining it, though a little warning of the change would have been preferable (at least for me X_x)
Soooooo what's the likeliness of getting that RP Subsection, mate? Planetary Intergalactic Summit? You know it's a good idea. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.06 12:03:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:This has been done in the past with Eve all the time, and no one has ever worried about it. I think your admitted bias against Imperfects is causing a bit of an overreaction on your end, bro.
I'd be more convinced if there were more evidence of this. You're more than welcome to provide that. |
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:17:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:This has been done in the past with Eve all the time, and no one has ever worried about it. I think your admitted bias against Imperfects is causing a bit of an overreaction on your end, bro. I'd be more convinced if there were more evidence of this. You're more than welcome to provide that. A few weeks ago during the tribal summit event there were several players in eve escorting GM ships. Many player organizations, as well as former members of RP blocks such as Ushra'Kahn, were mentioned by name in the news. Even Goon suicide gank attempts were mentioned.
Right, but Ushra'Kahn was an RP entity, as I had previously mentioned. In fact, they were the premier Minmatar RP entity fighting against Curatores Veratatis Alliance (spell check?) which were also an RP Entity; expanding into null-sec on behalf of the Amarrian Empire and (despite their major flaws) claiming to operate their space as if it were player-controlled high-sec. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.07 06:37:00 -
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Alright alright alright... Since this thread exploded while I was at work....
There's some big confusion as to what the primary issue is here - and perhaps I did what I always do and just voiced it wrong. So allow me to try it once more and be as thorough as I possibly can while maintaining a calm demeanor.
There is a great deal of (and I'm paraphrasing) "you're just jealous" and "I have no problem with it". I'm not inclined to believe that a player organization (especially one so high-profile as one other member suggested in this thread) just up and suddenly deserves an in-game news article with mention from an NPC; tying directly into the lore. To elaborate on this, what I truly mean to say: Out of all the player organized events, why this one? There have been countless other 'tournaments' and 'contests' run by Capsuleers in Eve Online and yet this one was chosen. Is it coincidence that the organizers of such an event were, in fact, Imperfects and their high-profile rivaling that of Goonswarm in New Eden? What's the actual basis behind the decision to mention -THIS PARTICULAR EVENT- if not for the fact that they are the most outspoken and commonly mentioned corporation in Dust 514 at current?
Yes, I am bias against Imperfects mostly because of their demeanor on the forums. For a game so complex and immersive, with so much depth, it's not uncommon for me to shake my head at some of the immaturity I've seen from the members. This, however, has absolutely nothing to do with why I blew the whistle on this particular topic. See above. I'm entitled to my opinions, just as much as anyone else - but I don't let it affect my judgement.
Yes, I PREFER that Player Organizations mentioned in the Lore at least have some valid tie-in to the game in the form of role-play. This comes from my experience not only as a player, but a developer of RPI (role-playing intensive) MUDS in which primary plot devices were left solely to those who actually tried to be immersed in the world and not just play the game. In my opinion, there are more deserving subjects and far more deserving players who have actually gone out of their way to achieve mention of this caliber. Admittedly, the more I pay attention to this thread (and it's more intuitive responses) the more I lean toward acceptance of this as a whole. This is not to say that I am going to back down from my position, simply that I am swaying in the hard-line that I've since created.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.07 07:14:00 -
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Gottlieb Daimler wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Alright alright alright... Since this thread exploded while I was at work....
There's some big confusion as to what the primary issue is here - and perhaps I did what I always do and just voiced it wrong. So allow me to try it once more and be as thorough as I possibly can while maintaining a calm demeanor.
There is a great deal of (and I'm paraphrasing) "you're just jealous" and "I have no problem with it". I'm not inclined to believe that a player organization (especially one so high-profile as one other member suggested in this thread) just up and suddenly deserves an in-game news article with mention from an NPC; tying directly into the lore. To elaborate on this, what I truly mean to say: Out of all the player organized events, why this one? There have been countless other 'tournaments' and 'contests' run by Capsuleers in Eve Online and yet this one was chosen. Is it coincidence that the organizers of such an event were, in fact, Imperfects and their high-profile rivaling that of Goonswarm in New Eden? What's the actual basis behind the decision to mention -THIS PARTICULAR EVENT- if not for the fact that they are the most outspoken and commonly mentioned corporation in Dust 514 at current?
Yes, I am bias against Imperfects mostly because of their demeanor on the forums. For a game so complex and immersive, with so much depth, it's not uncommon for me to shake my head at some of the immaturity I've seen from the members. This, however, has absolutely nothing to do with why I blew the whistle on this particular topic. See above. I'm entitled to my opinions, just as much as anyone else - but I don't let it affect my judgement.
Yes, I PREFER that Player Organizations mentioned in the Lore at least have some valid tie-in to the game in the form of role-play. This comes from my experience not only as a player, but a developer of RPI (role-playing intensive) MUDS in which primary plot devices were left solely to those who actually tried to be immersed in the world and not just play the game. In my opinion, there are more deserving subjects and far more deserving players who have actually gone out of their way to achieve mention of this caliber. Admittedly, the more I pay attention to this thread (and it's more intuitive responses) the more I lean toward acceptance of this as a whole. This is not to say that I am going to back down from my position, simply that I am swaying in the hard-line that I've since created.
Because it was a big, well-advertised event that included a lot of people in both Eve and DUST. Unlike you, CCP doesn't decide to not include people based on the way they post on a forum. There is no problem with this. CCP recognized a group of players by mentioning them. That's it! I think it's just a great piece of community engagement. If they had been given stuff, or given 'the opportunity' to get stuff, we'd be talking about an entirely different ballpark. Those kinds of rewards and events only lead to the bad old days of Aurora where an alliance in Eve was given pre-event knowledge so that they could acquire a Hel supercarrier at no cost or risk. (present day value approx. 22 billion ISK, although this was a long time ago) And, of course, there's the whole BoB and t20 thing which was way worse, but the Hel incident is more relevant considering that was actually related to RP/a live event.
Annnnnd your justification for this seems to completely evade the most important aspect that I've provided... There are more deserving events that could have warranted just as much attention. I.E: Larger engagements between the Faction Warfare entities, or even that 10,000 wreck RvB Frigate frenzy that occurred not too long ago.. Sure, it made headlines in all the gaming websites but did Tibus Heth up and decide, "To hell with Red versus Blue and their instigation of mass-murder for fun!" I'm not caught up with -all- the Lore, but I'm fairly certain there's been a few high-profile engagements that CCP just happens to shy away from.
And before we get into an argument on how much crew a Frigate has, there's been extensive favor toward the fact that some of them do...
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:04:00 -
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Wow. This thread got revived? I must have pissed someone off... |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:29:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Wow. This thread got revived? I must have pissed someone off... I wouldn't take it personally
Trust me, I don't. It's a good feeling waking up every day knowing I don't have that reputation plastered under my name. |
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