Intaki Assembly condemns "orbital strike tournament"
Intaki - The Intaki Assembly has harshly condemned the Imperfects mercenary corporation for organizing a combat tournament on Intaki Prime which featured capsuleers providing off-field support via orbital strikes. The tournament, which involved mercenary corporations from across the cluster, was characterized by the Assembly as "an illegal bloodsport which caused untold damage to the planetary biosphere."

According to information gleaned from satellite reports, survey probes, and official releases from the organizers, the tournament took place amidst military installations recently abandoned by Mordu's Legion and the Ishukone Watch after the revocation of the Blind Auction by Tibus Heth. The mercenary corporations involved battled over the objectives on the planet, while capsuleers, who had been encouraged to place bets on the matches, were allowed to assault the facilities from orbit. Over the course of the tournament, numerous orbital strikes were recorded, and satellite images show several of the facilities have been reduced to rubble.

The majority of the installations were far from habited areas, typically being placed in arid regions of the planet without much surrounding wildlife. The Intaki Assembly claims this is irrelevant. "Orbital strikes, even tactical ones on remote sites, can kick up dust and spread pollution and wreckage," the press release read. "It is unconscionable that someone thought these activities were acceptable for entertainment and profit. That doesn't even consider the fact that it was essentially killing for fun. The Intaki Assembly would have never sanctioned such an event."

Tournament organizer Kane Spero brushed off such criticism, saying, "If anything, they should be thanking us for providing free demolition of those abandoned bases. If not for us, who knows? Kids might have gotten into them. Besides, it's not like anyone was permanently injured."

When we see an interesting place for player interaction with the lore to be acknowledged, we're going to try to tie it in when possible in the future. We've been doing it with our live events in EVE, mentioning organizations who got involved in events. We're not planning on tying things in too tightly, so that if a player organization falls apart or the like, it won't negatively effect our lore.

It's definitely a change from how we used to do things, but we feel like DUST (and EVE) are player-driven games so we want to keep that consistent with our lore.

This has been done in the past with Eve all the time, and no one has ever worried about it. I think your admitted bias against Imperfects is causing a bit of an overreaction on your end, bro.

This has been done in the past with Eve all the time, and no one has ever worried about it. I think your admitted bias against Imperfects is causing a bit of an overreaction on your end, bro.

I'd be more convinced if there were more evidence of this. You're more than welcome to provide that.

A few weeks ago during the tribal summit event there were several players in eve escorting GM ships.

Many player organizations, as well as former members of RP blocks such as Ushra'Kahn, were mentioned by name in the news.

Even Goon suicide gank attempts were mentioned.

Right, but Ushra'Kahn was an RP entity, as I had previously mentioned. In fact, they were the premier Minmatar RP entity fighting against Curatores Veratatis Alliance (spell check?) which were also an RP Entity; expanding into null-sec on behalf of the Amarrian Empire and (despite their major flaws) claiming to operate their space as if it were player-controlled high-sec.

When we see an interesting place for player interaction with the lore to be acknowledged, we're going to try to tie it in when possible in the future. We've been doing it with our live events in EVE, mentioning organizations who got involved in events. We're not planning on tying things in too tightly, so that if a player organization falls apart or the like, it won't negatively effect our lore.

It's definitely a change from how we used to do things, but we feel like DUST (and EVE) are player-driven games so we want to keep that consistent with our lore.

Don't worry, Aeon. If you continue to whinepost all over forums you will eventually get your own story as... hmmm yeah, things don't work that way. Try being beneficial to the community and do something fun instead. This just builds bad reputation to you, to be really honest.

This is cool, and will remain cool. And since it is DUST, RP side of things have to be different as you can't really RP that well in an fps anyway...

I am sure if Searphim/Zion/GIANT/SyN or anyone else organized anything big like this they would get mention as well, but Kane was the first. Hopefully others will follow and build stories and universe as we go. And less post about "why did he get a story and I didn't" on forums.

It's worth noting that specific player groups have been mentioned in lore-related news before, especially when it comes to Intaki.

There has been an Intaki Liberation Front for years and they were brought into the lore years ago.

Also, this is more of a news item, not a "Chronicle". News items are very often about player corps.

I think with FW coming there is a lot of potential for merc corps to be part of EvE lore. When epic battles occur there can be endless RP material.

I do appreciate that when mentioned the lore does stick with our persona. All credit goes to Kain though for the efforts into to the Open Beta Tourny and for CCP that sponsered the rewards.

Not sure that I like this. At all. Sure, I've said some not so nice things about Imperfects in the past but this is tasteless to me. Player organizations are vaguely mentioned in the lore, not directly - in fact during the Fiction Contest we were told that player organizations -COULD NOT BE MENTIONED BY NAME-. Hell, the novel even referred to "a capsuleer war" rather than the actual war's title that took place between the player entities.

It's one thing if it's a role-play element, such as the Capsuleer Captain Nell sending a probe through a wormhole to investigate the Sansha Fleets in Jovian Space shortly before Incursion expansion, but I'm not very comfortable with non-role-player entities suddenly tying into the lore in such a way as this. I mean, come on, we don't even have a valid RP subsection like Intergalactic Summit - just a bunch of random posts in General Discussions.

I dunno. Maybe I'm over-reacting but this just seems really jacked up. Out of all the player organized events that have happened in Eve Online/Dust 514, and the ones that could potentially happen, this seems like a slight degree of favoritism.

EDIT: There seems to be a misconception that this is simply because 'Imperfects' was mentioned and I admitted bias. This is not the case. If it were -any- corporation, ZionTCD, STB, Seraphim; it wouldn't have mattered. My response would have been the same. The cause for concern was that a player entity was named directly and there was no RP element to interact with it.

As can be seen below through CCP Eterne's response, and my response in kind, this is brought on by new circumstances in the way player organized events are handled.

Still though I find it imperative that CCP be careful what they are doing is on a very slippery slope.

I don't find the slope slippery at all

I doubt that Dust being a FPS will attract very much RP at all, the mentality of most of the players is not there to get that immersion that EvE can offer.

And so long as everyone gets those rewards and just not people of a specific corporation that is okay. Because if what happened in EvE happens here in Dust it will go over very well. Doing it once always will leave that doubt will CCP allow its employees to influence the outcome of Corp battles.

The issue will then become if CCP starts to show to much attention to one corp (or a small selection) over all the others you will create another disparity in your customer base.

"Well the only way to do anything in that game is to join one of those corporations"
"Why play if we can't make a difference, the others are already to well established"
"CCP picks only those that they like"

It is nothing against one corp over the other. They need to be mindful about alienating their players when the games mechanics are still shoddy at best. And for it being a beta? It can come across as them already showing favoritism just like what happened in EvE.

Not jealous at all. I have no emotional investment in the game beyond its connections to the much loved EvE. I flown in corps, I've flown solo. I've been a pirate and a care bear. CCP has had some great idea's and they have had some poor idea's. How they handle the interactions with player run corporations has yet to be decided. It can add to the lore of the game or it can drive people away.

winner of the tourney should get a mention IMO.

I totally agree. I think that STB facing off against PFBHz is a fantastic story. I'm really proud of what the community has done to make this possible. As I've said before without people actually participating in the tourney none of this would matter.

I really appreciate CCP writing the tournament into lore and I feel like it is a statement by CCP that no matter what our actions are we are part of the game's story.

Every battle, every corp drama, every friendship made, all of it is part of the story of New Eden. It's one of the things that has kept me going in this universe for almost eight years now. It's one of the things that makes and will make Dust 514 great. How many games can you think of where a player event can effect the permeant story inhabited by hundreds of thousands and, one day, millions of people? Every single person who was in the tourney is part of the story of New Eden. Even the people who boycotted the tourney are part of the story. We are all linked through New Eden.

I'm glad I could play a small part in all of this and I look forward to the community working together to make even more kick *** stuff possible as we go forward.

I totally agree. I think that STB facing off against PFBHz is a fantastic story. I'm really proud of what the community has done to make this possible. As I've said before without people actually participating in the tourney none of this would matter.

I really appreciate CCP writing the tournament into lore and I feel like it is a statement by CCP that no matter what our actions are we are part of the game's story.

Every battle, every corp drama, every friendship made, all of it is part of the story of New Eden. It's one of the things that has kept me going in this universe for almost eight years now. It's one of the things that makes and will make Dust 514 great. How many games can you think of where a player event can effect the permanent story inhabited by hundreds of thousands, even millions of people? Every single person who was in the tourney is part of the story of New Eden. Even the people who boycotted the tourney are part of the story. We are all linked through New Eden.

I'm glad I could play a small part in all of this and I look forward to the community working together to make even more kick *** stuff possible as we go forward.

Why wasn't my tank mentioned

The issue will then become if CCP starts to show to much attention to one corp (or a small selection) over all the others you will create another disparity in your customer base.
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If you want Orion or whatnot to get noticed- do some heavy lifting. Do something worth a news article.

This.

Absolutely the winners of the tournament should be worked into the lore of EvE. Those big bad mercs battling on planet for blood sport is epic.

Alright alright alright... Since this thread exploded while I was at work....

There's some big confusion as to what the primary issue is here - and perhaps I did what I always do and just voiced it wrong. So allow me to try it once more and be as thorough as I possibly can while maintaining a calm demeanor.

There is a great deal of (and I'm paraphrasing) "you're just jealous" and "I have no problem with it". I'm not inclined to believe that a player organization (especially one so high-profile as one other member suggested in this thread) just up and suddenly deserves an in-game news article with mention from an NPC; tying directly into the lore.

To elaborate on this, what I truly mean to say: Out of all the player organized events, why this one? There have been countless other 'tournaments' and 'contests' run by Capsuleers in Eve Online and yet this one was chosen. Is it coincidence that the organizers of such an event were, in fact, Imperfects and their high-profile rivaling that of Goonswarm in New Eden? What's the actual basis behind the decision to mention -THIS PARTICULAR EVENT- if not for the fact that they are the most outspoken and commonly mentioned corporation in Dust 514 at current?

Yes, I am bias against Imperfects mostly because of their demeanor on the forums. For a game so complex and immersive, with so much depth, it's not uncommon for me to shake my head at some of the immaturity I've seen from the members. This, however, has absolutely nothing to do with why I blew the whistle on this particular topic. See above. I'm entitled to my opinions, just as much as anyone else - but I don't let it affect my judgement.

Yes, I PREFER that Player Organizations mentioned in the Lore at least have some valid tie-in to the game in the form of role-play. This comes from my experience not only as a player, but a developer of RPI (role-playing intensive) MUDS in which primary plot devices were left solely to those who actually tried to be immersed in the world and not just play the game. In my opinion, there are more deserving subjects and far more deserving players who have actually gone out of their way to achieve mention of this caliber.

Admittedly, the more I pay attention to this thread (and it's more intuitive responses) the more I lean toward acceptance of this as a whole. This is not to say that I am going to back down from my position, simply that I am swaying in the hard-line that I've since created.

Because it was a big, well-advertised event that included a lot of people in both Eve and DUST. Unlike you, CCP doesn't decide to not include people based on the way they post on a forum.

There is no problem with this. CCP recognized a group of players by mentioning them. That's it! I think it's just a great piece of community engagement.

If they had been given stuff, or given 'the opportunity' to get stuff, we'd be talking about an entirely different ballpark. Those kinds of rewards and events only lead to the bad old days of Aurora where an alliance in Eve was given pre-event knowledge so that they could acquire a Hel supercarrier at no cost or risk. (present day value approx. 22 billion ISK, although this was a long time ago) And, of course, there's the whole BoB and t20 thing which was way worse, but the Hel incident is more relevant considering that was actually related to RP/a live event.

We will be affecting the lore of FW for all who pay us. We are the turning force for any faction or we will be the saboteurs of your enemies.

And yes when EVE the TV show becomes real we will be a major plotline, umad?

Not sure that I like this. At all. Sure, I've said some not so nice things about Imperfects in the past but this is tasteless to me. Player organizations are vaguely mentioned in the lore, not directly - in fact during the Fiction Contest we were told that player organizations -COULD NOT BE MENTIONED BY NAME-. Hell, the novel even referred to "a capsuleer war" rather than the actual war's title that took place between the player entities.

It's one thing if it's a role-play element, such as the Capsuleer Captain Nell sending a probe through a wormhole to investigate the Sansha Fleets in Jovian Space shortly before Incursion expansion, but I'm not very comfortable with non-role-player entities suddenly tying into the lore in such a way as this. I mean, come on, we don't even have a valid RP subsection like Intergalactic Summit - just a bunch of random posts in General Discussions.

I dunno. Maybe I'm over-reacting but this just seems really jacked up. Out of all the player organized events that have happened in Eve Online/Dust 514, and the ones that could potentially happen, this seems like a slight degree of favoritism.

EDIT: There seems to be a misconception that this is simply because 'Imperfects' was mentioned and I admitted bias. This is not the case. If it were -any- corporation, ZionTCD, STB, Seraphim; it wouldn't have mattered. My response would have been the same. The cause for concern was that a player entity was named directly and there was no RP element to interact with it.

As can be seen below through CCP Eterne's response, and my response in kind, this is brought on by new circumstances in the way player organized events are handled.

ADDITIONAL EDIT: Further elaboration and addendum given here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=600525#post600525

I'm sure if\when I meet the imperfects in battle a few heated words will be exchanged, but if I ever meet 'em at a fanfest, i'm sure i'd happily share a drink and war stories with 'em too.

I'm quite neutral to this "love em or hate em" attitude people seem to have towards the Imperfects. From what I hear they're good players and enjoy the role of antagonists, it's fun to be the "bad guys"

Everybody knows about this battle and I think it was funny, kudos for good beta testing. I think it's brilliant that we can get our names in the EVE history books for noteworthy contributions to the game, it might inspire people to do crazy things, I'm looking forward to seeing what's next.

So uh still desperately clinging to past glory in an attempt to stay relevant in a game that has moved on. Really these new imps are very disappointing do somthing of note today before u go the way of Roman empire

Wow. This thread got revived? I must have pissed someone off...

I wouldn't take it personally

Trust me, I don't. It's a good feeling waking up every day knowing I don't have that reputation plastered under my name.