DUST Search - Imperfects Affecting Lore?

Aeon Amadi wrote:

CCP Eterne wrote:

Intaki Assembly condemns "orbital strike tournament"
Intaki - The Intaki Assembly has harshly condemned the Imperfects mercenary corporation for organizing a combat tournament on Intaki Prime which featured capsuleers providing off-field support via orbital strikes. The tournament, which involved mercenary corporations from across the cluster, was characterized by the Assembly as "an illegal bloodsport which caused untold damage to the planetary biosphere."

According to information gleaned from satellite reports, survey probes, and official releases from the organizers, the tournament took place amidst military installations recently abandoned by Mordu's Legion and the Ishukone Watch after the revocation of the Blind Auction by Tibus Heth. The mercenary corporations involved battled over the objectives on the planet, while capsuleers, who had been encouraged to place bets on the matches, were allowed to assault the facilities from orbit. Over the course of the tournament, numerous orbital strikes were recorded, and satellite images show several of the facilities have been reduced to rubble.

The majority of the installations were far from habited areas, typically being placed in arid regions of the planet without much surrounding wildlife. The Intaki Assembly claims this is irrelevant. "Orbital strikes, even tactical ones on remote sites, can kick up dust and spread pollution and wreckage," the press release read. "It is unconscionable that someone thought these activities were acceptable for entertainment and profit. That doesn't even consider the fact that it was essentially killing for fun. The Intaki Assembly would have never sanctioned such an event."

Tournament organizer Kane Spero brushed off such criticism, saying, "If anything, they should be thanking us for providing free demolition of those abandoned bases. If not for us, who knows? Kids might have gotten into them. Besides, it's not like anyone was permanently injured."

Not sure that I like this. At all. Sure, I've said some not so nice things about Imperfects in the past but this is tasteless to me. Player organizations are vaguely mentioned in the lore, not directly - in fact during the Fiction Contest we were told that player organizations -COULD NOT BE MENTIONED BY NAME-. Hell, the novel even referred to "a capsuleer war" rather than the actual war's title that took place between the player entities.

It's one thing if it's a role-play element, such as the Capsuleer Captain Nell sending a probe through a wormhole to investigate the Sansha Fleets in Jovian Space shortly before Incursion expansion, but I'm not very comfortable with non-role-player entities suddenly tying into the lore in such a way as this. I mean, come on, we don't even have a valid RP subsection like Intergalactic Summit - just a bunch of random posts in General Discussions.

I dunno. Maybe I'm over-reacting but this just seems really jacked up. Out of all the player organized events that have happened in Eve Online/Dust 514, and the ones that could potentially happen, this seems like a slight degree of favoritism.

EDIT: There seems to be a misconception that this is simply because 'Imperfects' was mentioned and I admitted bias. This is not the case. If it were -any- corporation, ZionTCD, STB, Seraphim; it wouldn't have mattered. My response would have been the same. The cause for concern was that a player entity was named directly and there was no RP element to interact with it.

As can be seen below through CCP Eterne's response, and my response in kind, this is brought on by new circumstances in the way player organized events are handled.

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Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 58	Posted - 2013.03.06 16:21:00 - [31] - Quote Free Beers wrote: I think with FW coming there is a lot of potential for merc corps to be part of EvE lore. When epic battles occur there can be endless RP material. I do appreciate that when mentioned the lore does stick with our persona. All credit goes to Kain though for the efforts into to the Open Beta Tourny and for CCP that sponsered the rewards. I doubt that Dust being a FPS will attract very much RP at all, the mentality of most of the players is not there to get that immersion that EvE can offer. And so long as everyone gets those rewards and just not people of a specific corporation that is okay. Because if what happened in EvE happens here in Dust it will go over very well. Doing it once always will leave that doubt will CCP allow its employees to influence the outcome of Corp battles.
Assi9 Ventox IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2013.03.06 16:31:00 - [32] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: Intaki Assembly condemns "orbital strike tournament" Intaki - The Intaki Assembly has harshly condemned the Imperfects mercenary corporation for organizing a combat tournament on Intaki Prime which featured capsuleers providing off-field support via orbital strikes. The tournament, which involved mercenary corporations from across the cluster, was characterized by the Assembly as "an illegal bloodsport which caused untold damage to the planetary biosphere." According to information gleaned from satellite reports, survey probes, and official releases from the organizers, the tournament took place amidst military installations recently abandoned by Mordu's Legion and the Ishukone Watch after the revocation of the Blind Auction by Tibus Heth. The mercenary corporations involved battled over the objectives on the planet, while capsuleers, who had been encouraged to place bets on the matches, were allowed to assault the facilities from orbit. Over the course of the tournament, numerous orbital strikes were recorded, and satellite images show several of the facilities have been reduced to rubble. The majority of the installations were far from habited areas, typically being placed in arid regions of the planet without much surrounding wildlife. The Intaki Assembly claims this is irrelevant. "Orbital strikes, even tactical ones on remote sites, can kick up dust and spread pollution and wreckage," the press release read. "It is unconscionable that someone thought these activities were acceptable for entertainment and profit. That doesn't even consider the fact that it was essentially killing for fun. The Intaki Assembly would have never sanctioned such an event." Tournament organizer Kane Spero brushed off such criticism, saying, "If anything, they should be thanking us for providing free demolition of those abandoned bases. If not for us, who knows? Kids might have gotten into them. Besides, it's not like anyone was permanently injured." Not sure that I like this. At all. Sure, I've said some not so nice things about Imperfects in the past but this is tasteless to me. Player organizations are vaguely mentioned in the lore, not directly - in fact during the Fiction Contest we were told that player organizations -COULD NOT BE MENTIONED BY NAME-. Hell, the novel even referred to "a capsuleer war" rather than the actual war's title that took place between the player entities. It's one thing if it's a role-play element, such as the Capsuleer Captain Nell sending a probe through a wormhole to investigate the Sansha Fleets in Jovian Space shortly before Incursion expansion, but I'm not very comfortable with non-role-player entities suddenly tying into the lore in such a way as this. I mean, come on, we don't even have a valid RP subsection like Intergalactic Summit - just a bunch of random posts in General Discussions. I dunno. Maybe I'm over-reacting but this just seems really jacked up. Out of all the player organized events that have happened in Eve Online/Dust 514, and the ones that could potentially happen, this seems like a slight degree of favoritism. EDIT: There seems to be a misconception that this is simply because 'Imperfects' was mentioned and I admitted bias. This is not the case. If it were -any- corporation, ZionTCD, STB, Seraphim; it wouldn't have mattered. My response would have been the same. The cause for concern was that a player entity was named directly and there was no RP element to interact with it. As can be seen below through CCP Eterne's response, and my response in kind, this is brought on by new circumstances in the way player organized events are handled. Umm this is EVE. The players and their actions ARE the lore. You should be excited!
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2055	Posted - 2013.03.06 16:36:00 - [33] - Quote Even people who don't even exist are on the Imperfect's e-peen now? This is wonderful \/
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 998	Posted - 2013.03.06 17:25:00 - [34] - Quote It makes sense that the actions of the new immortal soldiers would have an impact on the citizens of New Eden. Someone organizing a blood sport event that included orbital bombardment just for fun is exactly the sort of thing that would make the evening news. What would be odd is if the New Eden news services ignored us, especially coming on the heels of the other DUST related events. Picture yourself as a New Eden citizen, wouldn't you be talking about a new group that kills each other for sport?
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 59	Posted - 2013.03.06 17:48:00 - [35] - Quote Or be highly annoyed that another self-important group is trying to dictate life in New Eden. Started with the Capsuleers at least they were in space and could be ignored since the governments of New Eden kept their deprivations at bay. Now here are these wild cards, these loose cannons with a self important attitude of being immortal soldiers to fight the wars of the future. Human history clearly shows that in time those of lower stations will eventually rise up and destroy those who they believed oppressed them.
Mr Zitro Imperfects Negative-Feedback 434	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:01:00 - [36] - Quote Why wasn't my tank mentioned
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 998	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:03:00 - [37] - Quote Being annoyed at, apprehensive of, or fearful of these new beings are all reasons to talk about them. Especially when they don't have quite the same aversion to being killed that the capsuleers have.
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 59	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:07:00 - [38] - Quote Still though I find it imperative that CCP be careful what they are doing is on a very slippery slope.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2058	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:10:00 - [39] - Quote Fraceska wrote: Still though I find it imperative that CCP be careful what they are doing is on a very slippery slope. I don't find the slope slippery at all
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 59	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:16:00 - [40] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Fraceska wrote: Still though I find it imperative that CCP be careful what they are doing is on a very slippery slope. I don't find the slope slippery at all The issue will then become if CCP starts to show to much attention to one corp (or a small selection) over all the others you will create another disparity in your customer base. "Well the only way to do anything in that game is to join one of those corporations" "Why play if we can't make a difference, the others are already to well established" "CCP picks only those that they like" It is nothing against one corp over the other. They need to be mindful about alienating their players when the games mechanics are still shoddy at best. And for it being a beta? It can come across as them already showing favoritism just like what happened in EvE.

Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1159	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:22:00 - [41] - Quote Fraceska wrote: Free Beers wrote: I think with FW coming there is a lot of potential for merc corps to be part of EvE lore. When epic battles occur there can be endless RP material. I do appreciate that when mentioned the lore does stick with our persona. All credit goes to Kain though for the efforts into to the Open Beta Tourny and for CCP that sponsered the rewards. I doubt that Dust being a FPS will attract very much RP at all, the mentality of most of the players is not there to get that immersion that EvE can offer. And so long as everyone gets those rewards and just not people of a specific corporation that is okay. Because if what happened in EvE happens here in Dust it will go over very well. Doing it once always will leave that doubt will CCP allow its employees to influence the outcome of Corp battles. What rewards? kain and imperfects get nothing out of running an open beta tourney. Its a lot of hours of personal time taken to better the community when we don't have anything much to do in dust right now. You seem just a bit mad bro here. That said, what has your corp done to help, support, build the community? This is where I tell you to STFU
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 999	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:23:00 - [42] - Quote In this case someone went to a lot of effort to organize and run a tournament and that is what was being recognized. Anyone could have done that so it isn't showing favoritism.
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 59	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:26:00 - [43] - Quote Not mad at all I really have no emotional investment in this. I just think that CCP needs to be mindful of how they handle such interactions without it seeing to be favoritism once more.
METR0 THE DESTR0YER UnReaL. 81	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:31:00 - [44] - Quote Everyone Is just jelly because Imperfects are a lot more recognizable than any other corp out there. Stfu haters, and stop crying.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2059	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:33:00 - [45] - Quote Fraceska wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Fraceska wrote: Still though I find it imperative that CCP be careful what they are doing is on a very slippery slope. I don't find the slope slippery at all The issue will then become if CCP starts to show to much attention to one corp (or a small selection) over all the others you will create another disparity in your customer base. "Well the only way to do anything in that game is to join one of those corporations" "Why play if we can't make a difference, the others are already to well established" "CCP picks only those that they like" It is nothing against one corp over the other. They need to be mindful about alienating their players when the games mechanics are still shoddy at best. And for it being a beta? It can come across as them already showing favoritism just like what happened in EvE. So this is about you being jealous, thanks for clearing that up
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 59	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:37:00 - [46] - Quote Not jealous at all. I have no emotional investment in the game beyond its connections to the much loved EvE. I flown in corps, I've flown solo. I've been a pirate and a care bear. CCP has had some great idea's and they have had some poor idea's. How they handle the interactions with player run corporations has yet to be decided. It can add to the lore of the game or it can drive people away.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2059	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:39:00 - [47] - Quote Fraceska wrote: Not jealous at all. I have no emotional investment in the game beyond its connections to the much loved EvE. I flown in corps, I've flown solo. I've been a pirate and a care bear. CCP has had some great idea's and they have had some poor idea's. How they handle the interactions with player run corporations has yet to be decided. It can add to the lore of the game or it can drive people away. you do know it's free to play right
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 59	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:44:00 - [48] - Quote It may be free to play but with the aggravation and annoyance that this game can generate. Along with the inability to really change the lore of the game for small to mid corporations would be one reason among many for not to want to play this game when there are others out that puts them on even footing. And in EvE only the largest and most powerful corporations ever changed the lore. So that is not really something that most play for, its like an apple that is hanging just out of reach. CCP says its possible but only in the most extreme of cases.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 335	Posted - 2013.03.06 18:53:00 - [49] - Quote How is this even a change in lore? I mean if you were to read a newspaper this would be like the small blurb on the botton of the page that tells you to go to page 23 for the entire story. Really? Is it that big of a deal for some of you guys? Oh and yes the only reason this was even mentioned is because imperfects were mentioned. If another corp had put as much work into something that Kain did and got a small blurb of recognition for it you would not even bat an eye.
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 62	Posted - 2013.03.06 19:10:00 - [50] - Quote Speaking for myself I would still be against it. For me it is not about which corp is being factored into lore, how ever trivial at first. But the precedent that it will set. Will it be like EvE and be a challenge to get factored into the lore which only a few of the largest corporations were able to do after years of dedicated play. Or seemingly easily enough in Dust during its beta in organizing a tournament? Is it because the game is more narrowly focused than EvE that it will be easier to get mentioned in the Lore? Will other Corps be able to do it? Will single players be able to do it? What is the bar the CCP is setting for being able to adjust the lore of the setting. That is what I am curious about. Will they take pains to ensure more playability than in EvE which the mega-corps just simply dominate and allow for no new players to matter?

Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1160	Posted - 2013.03.06 19:29:00 - [51] - Quote Sorry Fraceska but you sound to cry baby for this to not be about us. I'm an eve nerd and have played for 7 years now and love the idea of mercs impact in the universe. As I said before I expect many more corps to be mentioned over time and look foward to it. How can you not see this is just a first step for all of us? I mean this is the **** we thought about when dust was announced. Also don't expect this to be the last you hear about imperfects either
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 64	Posted - 2013.03.06 19:37:00 - [52] - Quote If it is just as easy for other Corporations and individuals to get mentioned then have at it. I don't really know who any of you are, don't care to either. Just recently came to the forum with a few ideas for the feedback/request area and kind of got stuck here. I just played game and enjoyed the matches. So sorry if I am not stroking your ego if this is about your Corporation.
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 64	Posted - 2013.03.06 19:39:00 - [53] - Quote And if wasn't for a friend who was playing I would still be in a starter corp just going through match after match getting SP and getting gear.
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 344	Posted - 2013.03.06 20:18:00 - [54] - Quote winner of the tourney should get a mention IMO.
Terram Nenokal BetaMax. 118	Posted - 2013.03.06 20:29:00 - [55] - Quote This is cool! I love seeing player events and actions mentioned in lore. New Eden is awesome like that.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1037	Posted - 2013.03.06 20:38:00 - [56] - Quote Orin the Freak wrote: winner of the tourney should get a mention IMO. I totally agree. I think that STB facing off against PFBHz is a fantastic story. I'm really proud of what the community has done to make this possible. As I've said before without people actually participating in the tourney none of this would matter. I really appreciate CCP writing the tournament into lore and I feel like it is a statement by CCP that no matter what our actions are we are part of the game's story. Every battle, every corp drama, every friendship made, all of it is part of the story of New Eden. It's one of the things that has kept me going in this universe for almost eight years now. It's one of the things that makes and will make Dust 514 great. How many games can you think of where a player event can effect the permanent story inhabited by hundreds of thousands, even millions of people? Every single person who was in the tourney is part of the story of New Eden. Even the people who boycotted the tourney are part of the story. We are all linked through New Eden. I'm glad I could play a small part in all of this and I look forward to the community working together to make even more kick *** stuff possible as we go forward.
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 72	Posted - 2013.03.06 20:43:00 - [57] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Orin the Freak wrote: winner of the tourney should get a mention IMO. I totally agree. I think that STB facing off against PFBHz is a fantastic story. I'm really proud of what the community has done to make this possible. As I've said before without people actually participating in the tourney none of this would matter. I really appreciate CCP writing the tournament into lore and I feel like it is a statement by CCP that no matter what our actions are we are part of the game's story. Every battle, every corp drama, every friendship made, all of it is part of the story of New Eden. It's one of the things that has kept me going in this universe for almost eight years now. It's one of the things that makes and will make Dust 514 great. How many games can you think of where a player event can effect the permeant story inhabited by hundreds of thousands and, one day, millions of people? Every single person who was in the tourney is part of the story of New Eden. Even the people who boycotted the tourney are part of the story. We are all linked through New Eden. I'm glad I could play a small part in all of this and I look forward to the community working together to make even more kick *** stuff possible as we go forward. I can understand this. Everyone should be part of shaping the setting of the Dust.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1164	Posted - 2013.03.06 22:55:00 - [58] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Orin the Freak wrote: winner of the tourney should get a mention IMO. I totally agree. I think that STB facing off against PFBHz is a fantastic story. I'm really proud of what the community has done to make this possible. As I've said before without people actually participating in the tourney none of this would matter. I really appreciate CCP writing the tournament into lore and I feel like it is a statement by CCP that no matter what our actions are we are part of the game's story. Every battle, every corp drama, every friendship made, all of it is part of the story of New Eden. It's one of the things that has kept me going in this universe for almost eight years now. It's one of the things that makes and will make Dust 514 great. How many games can you think of where a player event can effect the permanent story inhabited by hundreds of thousands, even millions of people? Every single person who was in the tourney is part of the story of New Eden. Even the people who boycotted the tourney are part of the story. We are all linked through New Eden. I'm glad I could play a small part in all of this and I look forward to the community working together to make even more kick *** stuff possible as we go forward. This. Absolutely the winners of the tournament should be worked into the lore of EvE. Those big bad mercs battling on planet for blood sport is epic.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 312	Posted - 2013.03.07 03:06:00 - [59] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Why wasn't my tank mentioned Because every reporter who tried to get close enough to snap a picture caught a 80 GJ Blaster Turret to the face.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 312	Posted - 2013.03.07 03:13:00 - [60] - Quote Fraceska wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Fraceska wrote: Still though I find it imperative that CCP be careful what they are doing is on a very slippery slope. I don't find the slope slippery at all The issue will then become if CCP starts to show to much attention to one corp (or a small selection) over all the others you will create another disparity in your customer base. . CCP has been down THAT road a long time ago (cough BOB cough) and they survived. Given the kittenstorm that that caused, the upper management has been much more careful to avoid that sort of thing. Kain and the Imps got the mention because Kain did the heavy lifting. Heck, some non-RP corps get mentioned right in the EVE Launcher. Are the EVE University people getting favoritism? No, they are doing a lot of work to make the game accessible for people. If you want Orion or whatnot to get noticed- do some heavy lifting. Do something worth a news article.



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