They actually do very well. The reason you see HAVs isn't because they are overpowered, it's because they serve a role in the game. If everyone was running around in a HAV, that would be kind of pointless. HAVs are not overpowered. If anything, the often urban environment of the districts frequently gives them the finger. Vehicle physics are especially bad, and trying to move through an urban environment with a HAV is like a fat guy squeezing through a hole in the wall.

Either way, there is no reason to remove vehicles, and this has been suggested many times too many.

For Christ's sake, just get some AV grenades. Those things are devastating.

Stop whining. I paid for it, build it, and skilled for it. If you ***** and complain, either A: you don't adapt and I will constantly buttfuck you, or B: You adapt, get a AV fit, and give me a hard time buttfucking the rest of your team. GL mate.

make it happen CCP.. no more hiding in tanks lets see how the big boys do without their metal shelters

if I'm not hiding I'm my metal shelter, I'm hiding in another I call my heavy suit

Guys be men, stop crying, nowadays have a lot of way to kill tanks and the best way = teamwork !

I'm saying keep the other game modes but have a mode for just gun fights

I know what you are saying, and it doesn't matter. This is war. In war, we use weapons. Vehicles are a weapon. Such a game mode would be similar to a game mode that removes Sniper Rifles and Shotguns, or one that removes Heavy Machine Guns and Laser Rifles. There are roles in the battlefield, and removing multiple roles, let alone one, threatens the balance of things.

I know what you are saying, and it doesn't matter. This is war. In war, we use weapons. Vehicles are a weapon. Such a game mode would be similar to a game mode that removes Sniper Rifles and Shotguns, or one that removes Heavy Machine Guns and Laser Rifles. There are roles in the battlefield, and removing multiple roles, let alone one, threatens the balance of things.

if I'm not hiding I'm my metal shelter, I'm hiding in another I call my heavy suit

true but we are talking about 4k+ of shield/ armor with 3~4 hits to kill infantry vs like standard 200+ hp rifles maniacs

I agree with this... to an extent. There shouldn't be a game mode that bans tanks, however, I would like to see some maps that no idiot would bring a tank in on (in a forest, on a mountain, in caves or catacombs, basically anything catered to close quarters).

As a MAG fan, I'd like to see Dust use the concept of anti-aircraft artillery to shoot down RDV's. In MAG, the defending team had a AAA which would shoot down any incoming planes automatically, forcing the attacking team to blow it up first, then call in their support. Personally I think this would be a great concept for Dust, if you don't want to face tanks, better get your butt to the AAA and ensure it doesn't get blown up.

They actually do very well. The reason you see HAVs isn't because they are overpowered, it's because they serve a role in the game. If everyone was running around in a HAV, that would be kind of pointless. HAVs are not overpowered. If anything, the often urban environment of the districts frequently gives them the finger. Vehicle physics are especially bad, and trying to move through an urban environment with a HAV is like a fat guy squeezing through a hole in the wall.

Either way, there is no reason to remove vehicles, and this has been suggested many times too many.

For Christ's sake, just get some AV grenades. Those things are devastating.

Lastly, the only antitank is another tank. You really have too little experience with Dust if you have not come to understand that.

Until CCP gives us bombers and jets, !

Oh the Derpa derp tears will be flowing then.

I agree with this... to an extent. There shouldn't be a game mode that bans tanks, however, I would like to see some maps that no idiot would bring a tank in on (in a forest, on a mountain, in caves or catacombs, basically anything catered to close quarters).

You obviously are not a good HAV player, as it stands right now, folks trying to skill up, or just get some training have to deal with good players who use HAV as their 'Drop suit'.

What does that get a good HAV player(not you, because of what you said above, maybe you spoke too fast)
- (Can easily get out of dodge, because they know/are aware of good cover.) You cannot headshot/OHK a HAV. Good players cannot be killed without focus fire from multiple players. Not true for any other player with exception of Heavy suit much better with 2 attackers but surprise will let you kill one on one.
- Have unlimited ammo requiring no/little support. They thought it important for Heavy Drop suits to have limits... Not HAV drop suit.. Those players are OK to be fully self sufficient for their 8 minutes of fun.
- move faster than players when they need to. Talking about good players, who are situationaly aware not to be in stupid area.
- Immune to anti-infantry weapons. You come in one suit, and never have to adapt. But the infantry needs to die to your gun, or get to Supply Depot and change to be almost helpless against infantry so he can hurt the player in HAV drop suit. Again, talking about all good players out on the field. So HAV kills everything, but you have to take serious penalty.

I can go on, because I've actually played the game like OP, but to my point. Killing tanks is just not worth the reward for all the risks that you take as infantry AV. You come out as net loss, all the time the HAV player is getting better in his self sufficient kill everyone, immune to most weapons Drop suit. So everyone else takes serious negative for supposed advantage while HAV because of 'Isk' cost have none. In reality, there is no balance between such players during their 8 minute fight. And that is the point of OP.

Again, think about all competent/good players on field before you talk.

Lastly, the only antitank is another tank. You really have too little experience with Dust if you have not come to understand that.

gigantic strawman post.

No. If you want to succeed you need to be able to use all of the tools. Most of the people who **** and moan about tanks automatically dismiss the usefulness of heavies and swarms because it reduces their effectiveness against infantry.

If you choose to not bring an anti tank weapon onto the field to counter the tanks you are going to get steamrolled. It's that simple. I have taken the time to skill AV above minimum for proto. i routinely drive Marauders off the field and kill anything less. But i only deploy it when I need vehicleds destroyed. I run my HMG or assault suit otherwise.

but every argument here dismisses this as an option. Because why?

You don't want to spend the skill points there?

That is not the HAV driver's problem, it's yours.

As a player, there is too much imbalance toward vehicle, if everyone's time is worth the same.

Not in a vacuum, in a match. After you kill one tank, what do you do as full AV infantry. Didnt mean to say you... Don't take it personally, I'm sure your fine...

I don't understand the angry, negative feedback. It is like people are afraid no one would play normal Ambush or Skirmish ever again if this was added.

I use my assault forge gun to run around and clip any red dot who gets between me and the supply depot whereupon i shall refit to my trusty HMG and go shoot more people in the face. if I die, my work was done already. your tank is dead. I have no urther need for the suit.

Plus i'm really good at zapping infantry trying to move across open ground with assault forges. Rarely get the direct-hit one-shot though. usually takes 2-3 splashes to kill the rangy little buggers.

Edit: before you ask "what if there's no supply depots my answer is as follows: go to map, choose suicide option. respawn in more appropriate suit.

I support this. I understand that a new game mode will not affect vehicle use in existing game modes and will offer variety in game play (something this game needs desperately).

They don't belong in matches with infantry. You listed a good chunck of what good infantry have to do. What does a good HAV do? No need to resupply, no worry about being one shotted, can kill anything, immune to most players.

A game mode that removes choices is not offering variety. I think that is quite obvious.

If you want to play without vehicles, be prepared to completely break the enemy's ability to use vehicles.

I would also like to say that it is possible to like the idea of an infantry only mode and like vehicle/anti vehicle game play. Not all of us are asking for this because we are incapable of dealing with vehicles on the map.

a dedicated tank driver is not an asset in an infantry-only match. A dedicated AV maniac is just as worthless on this field.

The discussion is being sidetracked by an argument over whether or not vehicle versus infantry combat is balanced. Or an argument that players only want this because they aren't skilled at countering vehicles. That matters in the larger scope of the game but I don't see it being a concern here. The request is for a game mode without vehicles. Would you like to play such a game mode?

A good criticism that someone brought up was in relation to realism. That they would be okay with maps that physically did not allow vehicles. I would be 100% for this. The only problem is that this would require more work for CCP. I would love some interior maps for this or some city maps with barricaded roads.

Another option would be to make the matches take place during some sort of sci fi "EMP Storm" or other environmental disturbance that made RDVs unavailable. Again this would make more work for CCP (creating additional weather effects) but would add to the "realism" of the situation. Hell RDVs are so dumb it would be believable that foggy weather would make them crash.

I guess if you want to argue about balance you might argue that somehow infantry only would offer easier SP gain? But I don't see infantry only matches being any less intense.

your ability to use two completely unrelated topics to support one another is astounding.

What two different topics? The militia only mode was just an example of possible alternatives to ambush.

The topic at hand is a no vehicle mode, yet everyone else has gone off and started talking about balance.

Edit: my mistake, the variety part was directed at Ulysses.

there should be no mode that renders any player irrelevant. a no-vehicle mode does this.

Because vehicle users are incapable of using a militia assault rifle? It renders Vehicles irrelevant, not the users.

you can only have fun our way, not yours."

because we don't want you to be able to escape.

I'd love to see indoor maps like a war barge map. No vehicles inside. Just CQC fun!

I support this. I understand that a new game mode will not affect vehicle use in existing game modes and will offer variety in game play (something this game needs desperately).

I would actually be interested in seeing how a mode like this would play out. Everyone would go in fitted for 100% anti infantry. Skirmish could be interesting without LAVs or other transport. Holding flags and having good drop uplinks would be even more critical. You might see more scouts and fewer heavies.

I don't understand the angry, negative feedback. It is like people are afraid no one would play normal Ambush or Skirmish ever again if this was added.

Because the addition of new modes completely removes all pre existing modes? That makes no sense at all.

We don't need a solution, because there is no problem. The OP just wants a infantry only mode because it would be fun, not because he has a problem with tanks. A vehicle only mode would also be fun, where exactly is the problem? I don't play skirmish because I find the whole objective thing boring, how is that any different? The purpose of different modes is to offer alternatives to those who would enjoy something different, not subtract from the game.

so go buy a tank and learn to use it and quit whining.

Peace
B

learn to read derp... smfh thinking yall are illiterate on here.. MY CORP has a tank and we smash on yall I am saying add another game mode... so we have more options to play