gigantic strawman post.

No. If you want to succeed you need to be able to use all of the tools. Most of the people who **** and moan about tanks automatically dismiss the usefulness of heavies and swarms because it reduces their effectiveness against infantry.

If you choose to not bring an anti tank weapon onto the field to counter the tanks you are going to get steamrolled. It's that simple. I have taken the time to skill AV above minimum for proto. i routinely drive Marauders off the field and kill anything less. But i only deploy it when I need vehicleds destroyed. I run my HMG or assault suit otherwise.

but every argument here dismisses this as an option. Because why?

You don't want to spend the skill points there?

That is not the HAV driver's problem, it's yours.

As a player, there is too much imbalance toward vehicle, if everyone's time is worth the same.

Not in a vacuum, in a match. After you kill one tank, what do you do as full AV infantry. Didnt mean to say you... Don't take it personally, I'm sure your fine...

I don't understand the angry, negative feedback. It is like people are afraid no one would play normal Ambush or Skirmish ever again if this was added.

I use my assault forge gun to run around and clip any red dot who gets between me and the supply depot whereupon i shall refit to my trusty HMG and go shoot more people in the face. if I die, my work was done already. your tank is dead. I have no urther need for the suit.

Plus i'm really good at zapping infantry trying to move across open ground with assault forges. Rarely get the direct-hit one-shot though. usually takes 2-3 splashes to kill the rangy little buggers.

Edit: before you ask "what if there's no supply depots my answer is as follows: go to map, choose suicide option. respawn in more appropriate suit.

I support this. I understand that a new game mode will not affect vehicle use in existing game modes and will offer variety in game play (something this game needs desperately).

They don't belong in matches with infantry. You listed a good chunck of what good infantry have to do. What does a good HAV do? No need to resupply, no worry about being one shotted, can kill anything, immune to most players.

A game mode that removes choices is not offering variety. I think that is quite obvious.

If you want to play without vehicles, be prepared to completely break the enemy's ability to use vehicles.

I would also like to say that it is possible to like the idea of an infantry only mode and like vehicle/anti vehicle game play. Not all of us are asking for this because we are incapable of dealing with vehicles on the map.

a dedicated tank driver is not an asset in an infantry-only match. A dedicated AV maniac is just as worthless on this field.

The discussion is being sidetracked by an argument over whether or not vehicle versus infantry combat is balanced. Or an argument that players only want this because they aren't skilled at countering vehicles. That matters in the larger scope of the game but I don't see it being a concern here. The request is for a game mode without vehicles. Would you like to play such a game mode?

A good criticism that someone brought up was in relation to realism. That they would be okay with maps that physically did not allow vehicles. I would be 100% for this. The only problem is that this would require more work for CCP. I would love some interior maps for this or some city maps with barricaded roads.

Another option would be to make the matches take place during some sort of sci fi "EMP Storm" or other environmental disturbance that made RDVs unavailable. Again this would make more work for CCP (creating additional weather effects) but would add to the "realism" of the situation. Hell RDVs are so dumb it would be believable that foggy weather would make them crash.

I guess if you want to argue about balance you might argue that somehow infantry only would offer easier SP gain? But I don't see infantry only matches being any less intense.

your ability to use two completely unrelated topics to support one another is astounding.

What two different topics? The militia only mode was just an example of possible alternatives to ambush.

The topic at hand is a no vehicle mode, yet everyone else has gone off and started talking about balance.

Edit: my mistake, the variety part was directed at Ulysses.

there should be no mode that renders any player irrelevant. a no-vehicle mode does this.

Because vehicle users are incapable of using a militia assault rifle? It renders Vehicles irrelevant, not the users.

you can only have fun our way, not yours."

because we don't want you to be able to escape.

I'd love to see indoor maps like a war barge map. No vehicles inside. Just CQC fun!

I support this. I understand that a new game mode will not affect vehicle use in existing game modes and will offer variety in game play (something this game needs desperately).

I would actually be interested in seeing how a mode like this would play out. Everyone would go in fitted for 100% anti infantry. Skirmish could be interesting without LAVs or other transport. Holding flags and having good drop uplinks would be even more critical. You might see more scouts and fewer heavies.

I don't understand the angry, negative feedback. It is like people are afraid no one would play normal Ambush or Skirmish ever again if this was added.