"Active Omega-Booster (7-Day) - 17,500 AUR [2x, time-limited, available this week only]"

So... does that mean we get even more SP above the cap using this or will it only boost us up to the normal cap?

/c

I'm more interested in this "time-limited" thing, does that mean we only have a certain amount of time to use it?

I was planning on buying it to keep for a while as i still have my 30 day booster going, but if you have to use it within a certain time span then i wont bother

I don't even see it on the market.

It's coming out tomorrow.

Could I please get a source for this info. Thanks

Announcements https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62035&find=unread

The Omega-Booster features superior performance over standard models. It doubles the number of potential skill points earned from battles as well as the speed at which they are earned.

Something interesting i noticed when i was looking at the omega booster



Does that mean this is not only 2x SP in battles, but also double passive?

More pre-fit fail suits? I hope everyone is prepared to rage when it turns out the Titan and Atlas heavy suits they're so excited about are just more of the same nonsense. Also a 2x booster? This makes me want to use boosters less.

I'm prepared to accept that a lot of what is good about this game is it's potential and whilst we don't have everything we want right now progress is being made. But when it turns out that that progress isn't what we were promised and instead we get garbage like this I care less about this game.

More pre-fit fail suits? I hope everyone is prepared to rage when it turns out the Titan and Atlas heavy suits they're so excited about are just more of the same nonsense. Also a 2x booster? This makes me want to use boosters less.

I'm prepared to accept that a lot of what is good about this game is it's potential and whilst we don't have everything we want right now progress is being made. But when it turns out that that progress isn't what we were promised and instead we get garbage like this I care less about this game.

They are milking all the money they can out of people before they give a new build. The more people that keep buying this stuff the longer they can go without needing to put out a new build. Personally as it stands I have no current interest in playing this game therefore i'm not spending any money on it. New build new cool stuff? Sure take my money! Old build same ****, trying to sell old stock/things people don't want? No thanks I'll pass.

Think I'll write a couple bonus hours at the clients expense now... actually make it a years worth of boosters while at it :)

Tbh I don't like this boosted p2w aspect; these should have a hard cap on the sp (no gains after 6M sp or similiar). Hopefully the Omega means there won't be any stronger boosters coming.

Agreed 100% trolls. Booster should not work for characters with 6 million + skillpoints. I don't like it either. And the 'Pay to advance faster is not pay to win' argument doesn't pass the smell test, so nobody, CCP devs included, needs to parrot that here.

Basically CCP is selling skillpoints. It doesn't give me a more powerful weapon or tougher armor, but it does make for a significantly stronger character.

It's sneakier and hard-to-quantify, but the vets all know the skillpoints make a real difference on the battlefeild.

Why dress it up as a booster? Why not just sell the $killpoints, CCP?

When i face an opponent on the battlefeild, i want to know we worked for our skillpoints equally hard. Maybe he was smarter about it, maybe he spent his points more wisely, but we had equal opportunity to do so.

Will i buy it? You bet your ass I will, because, I will capitalize on every unfair advantage that CCP let's me capitalize on. Can I afford it? TBH, i won't even notice that the money's been spent.

But it still makes me feel dirty.

Any chance ccp can post the math behind this booster please and tell me how its going to interact with my current boosters that are in effect already?
will the omega work before or after my current boosters finish? How is the sp gain and cap worked out?

Im interested in buying a bunch of these but not till I know how they will work and how they will impact my current boosters

I too want to know the math behind the Omega Booster. Guess we'll find out tomorrow.

Instead of 50% bonus to cap and rate of gain it's 100%?

Where is the math difficulty?

Because if I have an active booster now and apply it... when will I start getting 100%? If it starts right away + adds time - then I'll just apply 10 regular boosters before activating the Omega in order to get 2-+ month worth of 100%...

Instead of 50% bonus to cap and rate of gain it's 100%?

Where is the math difficulty?

The math is not difficult bro, so stop trying to be a smart ass. The OP says the booster is 2x. It doesn't specify if the that 2x total or if the the booster by itself is 2x.

Because if I have an active booster now and apply it... when will I start getting 100%? If it starts right away + adds time - then I'll just apply 10 regular boosters before activating the Omega in order to get 2-+ month worth of 100%...

I can't login right now but doesn't the current booster say 1.5x?

Nah, it says x0.5

There is only one active booster slot, and this Omega Booster would be applied to the same slot whenever you activate it. You can't activate it if you have another active booster running.

Interesting. So the devs watching the newbie-vet topics and decide to give them a little "push" to be aible to keep up. Mark my words in the future we will see 6X active boosters.

CCP needs to hire an editor. They spread so much confusion and misinformation in their announcements and item descriptions.

Interesting. So the devs watching the newbie-vet topics and decide to give them a little "push" to be aible to keep up. Mark my words in the future we will see 6X active boosters.

Very true

i <3 CCP for bringing in all these P2W option. Muah! kisses!

Push to catch up? I don't think so. I think this is more like a push for those in the lead to stay there.

It does not seem likely that a rookie is going to take a **** kicking and then say "Well, if I throw some money at this I can compete"

Far more likely that those at the front of the pack will dump cash to keep their lead, and those slightly behind who do not want to get even further behind the curve will then attempt to keep up.

For once I am glad that I can't trade anything from my main account to this one. Even though I have two merc packs worth of stuff I can't use, at least I don't have to worry about being faced with the P2W choice.

So by next week, we should expect to see 6 million SP players all over the place. Gonna be tons of fun for new guys now.

Limited time means it won't be available to purchase next week, so buy them while they're hot, though they might come back in later weeks.

As for the 7k AUR price on the passive booster being listed in the sales, consider that a mistake on my part for not realizing it's always that price.

Something interesting i noticed when i was looking at the omega booster



Does that mean this is not only 2x SP in battles, but also double passive? or does the "potential" refer to the sp cap?

When the player market is up and running you will be able to buy this thing for ISK (along with every other AUR item). So how is that pay 2 win? Seriously...I want someone to explain to me how something that can be purchased with either real money or ISK is pay 2 win? How is that in any way unfair? Sure, it'll be a lot of ISK compared to regular gear but so what?

Because the market is NOT up yet. You cannot say a game is currently balanced because of changes they will make some time in the eventual future because it has no bearing on how balanced it is right now. Next argument please.

These aren't "changes" in the "eventual future", they are "features" when the game is "finished". If someone's building me a house and I decided to start sleeping there before they've put the roof on it do I sue them because my stuff got wet in the rain?

And "how balanced it is right now" is irrelevant if they already have the features planned to address the issue. So everyone can stop whining or just go away until the game is released.

These aren't "changes" in the "eventual future", they are "features" when the game is "finished". If someone's building me a house and I decided to start sleeping there before they've put the roof on it do I sue them because my stuff got wet in the rain?

And "how balanced it is right now" is irrelevant if they already have the features planned to address the issue. So everyone can stop whining or just go away until the game is released.

If someone's building me a house and I decided to start sleeping there before they've put the roof on it do I sue them because my stuff got wet in the rain?

And "how balanced it is right now" is irrelevant if they already have the features planned to address the issue. So everyone can stop whining or just go away until the game is released.

So basically you are saying "It doesn't matter how broken it is right now, because later, at an undisclosed time in the future, after the top paying players have pulled even FURTHER ahead of everyone else, it will be fixed when the game is released". Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

Yea, that's exactly what I'm saying. That's what you agreed to when you signed up for this, that you understood things would be broken. CCP has a plan in place (read: "major aspect of the game that isn't ready yet") that will balance it out so until they implement that you can deal with it or you can wait for the market to be implemented before playing again.

Waiting for release to fix things, which is exactly what they did for all of the other broken elements in Dust, like the grenade spam and the missile spam. Oh, wait....

When something is massively disadvantaging players, you at least put in a temp fix to keep it from getting out of hand until it can be sorted out. Missiles were heavily nerfed because they were putting well over half of the Dust population (the non-vehicle and non-turret gunner portion) at a disadvantage. They nerfed it to keep it from staying an issue until they could get back around to fixing the issue. Grenades were luckily an easy fix since all they had to do was put the old fuse method back onto them with the new mechanics.

This would be an easy fix as well, all you would have to do is lock the boosters like that guy said a few posts ago once players reach a certain SP level. Their SP income would return to normal once the market opened up, and in the mean time newer players would have the chance to work hard and narrow the gap little by little. It's not like I need to be 3 Mil SP ahead of everyone else to win, I'm just fine with playing on even footing.

If you lock the boosters, people can keep the time left on the boosters they paid for, people under the SP booster cap would still get to boost, and when the market opens up EVERYONE can buy boosters and the locked boosters would get reactivated. I have no sympathy for people who feel they need to be millions of SP ahead of others to win, and I have no sympathy for CCP who is making plenty off their AUR proto suits, so I have no qualms with it.

I say we boycott these broken booster items, remove active boosters all together and Only keep Passive boosters. Then we demand CCP reduce the weekly Cap to 75,000. Too many no lifer nerds, maxing out their mommy's credit cards are running around out there with 5+ Million SP with maxed out classes and the game isn't even released yet. That is unacceptable.

The whole SP debacle we had about a few months ago that brought about the current weekly cap is the cause of all this. CCP was right to having us be limited to a small daily cap, the only thing we should've changed was how much SP you gained after your cap was reached. The daily Cap from then plus the WP=SP post cap we have now, would have been all for the best with this game in the long run, at least until the game was fully released.

I say we boycott these broken booster items, remove active boosters all together and Only keep Passive boosters. Then we demand CCP reduce the weekly Cap to 75,000. Too many no lifer nerds, maxing out their mommy's credit cards are running around out there with 5+ Million SP with maxed out classes and the game isn't even released yet. That is unacceptable.

The whole SP debacle we had about a few months ago that brought about the current weekly cap is the cause of all this. CCP was right to having us be limited to a small daily cap, the only thing we should've changed was how much SP you gained after your cap was reached. The daily Cap from then plus the WP=SP post cap we have now, would have been all for the best with this game in the long run, at least until the game was fully released.

..........Why would you ever consider REDUCING the SP weekly cap???
Its hard enough as is to get the SP to level up to lvl 4 and 5 of certain skills. Plus, that would make active boosters useless after a couple of matches.

I honestly dont think the active boosters are P2W. fps gaming is equal parts skill and luck. I have 3.2mill sp's sometimes i can take a proto heavy down with my exile. other times i get taken down in my logi II by a guy with militia gear.
Yes skills help but gaming skill is the key part. you could have 10mill sps and a big a** heavy with 2000 armor and a balac rifle but if he doesnt know his a** from his elbow he'll die just as easily. its liek in eve. a noob can go out spend billions of isk or hundreds of dollars on a titan pilot, he can go out and buy a titan but chances are he wont know how to fit it and will die a horrible death to the first moros he comes across and it'll be on youtube before his clone gets reanimated.

I say we boycott these broken booster items, remove active boosters all together and Only keep Passive boosters. Then we demand CCP reduce the weekly Cap to 75,000. Too many no lifer nerds, maxing out their mommy's credit cards are running around out there with 5+ Million SP with maxed out classes and the game isn't even released yet. That is unacceptable.

The whole SP debacle we had about a few months ago that brought about the current weekly cap is the cause of all this. CCP was right to having us be limited to a small daily cap, the only thing we should've changed was how much SP you gained after your cap was reached. The daily Cap from then plus the WP=SP post cap we have now, would have been all for the best with this game in the long run, at least until the game was fully released.

When you start having money grabs (massive advantage for a very large price) you can't help but be concerned about the game health and their long term plan.

A healthy company would be easing in their subscription plan right now. Not trying to fleece a few people for $60+/month.

$20 for Merc, includes 40k Aur

4 active boosters needed. 4x17500 is 70k.
Need to buy 30k extra Aur so $15 more.

They're trying out a $35/month subscription for a game where all the best weapons and equipment are also ONLY available with Aur. That Corp fight, won't be a fair fight if you use only Isk.

You guys need to lookup the GDC track about free to play games and monitization around 'whales' from a few years back.

They're trying to find the subset that pays them the most and don't want to leave any money on the table. That's also why its based in Shanghai and not at HQ. Ethics issues involved with the psychology of certain folks they are targeting, like gamblers(addictive personality), children,... Remember, China has a billion people, even .0001% of people fit that get rich quick category, its 100k people. That's why it got created there first. Now expand to 7 billion.

Its about not leaving any money on table. I only say this because this is PS3, ONE platform. Some of these bugs problems should not exist... This reminds of several recent only hype MMO launches. Like FFXIV.

Why do they need $35/mo per player for an FPS. Why can't they show their backers their vision and get the cash from them. Seems like a pump and dump now. Really, after those GDC events and personal experience with several big name MMOs from Asia being pure hype....

This might not be for most people

Glad to see pubbies in Dust are just as dumb and quick to cry out as pubbies in World of Tanks. I'm sorry, but paying to grind less is not pay to win.

Glad to see pubbies in Dust are just as dumb and quick to cry out as pubbies in World of Tanks. I'm sorry, but paying to grind less is not pay to win. You're getting to the same place, and in the mean time you're still effective as a player.

That is, as long as you're not some publord that needs SP to do a damned thing out there. I've got about 1m SP in skills, running in a Raven BPO suit with the first assault rifle and SMG. As long as I'm not fighting against a full corp squad (which is something CCP needs to work on; two squads vs. none results in a slaughter most of the time), I get plenty of WP, kills, and victories.

This booster does nothing but remove limitations on getting you where you want to go. Now you don't have to spend a million years grinding out SP to hop into a tank that's worth a damn, or getting your core fitting skills, or finally getting into the second tier weaponry skills.

The only reason why you'd be complaining right now is because you have this idea that somehow someone with a couple million more SP than you will be several times more broken as he gains more and more SP. Unfortunately, effectiveness on the battlefield doesn't scale linearly (or better) with your SP once you're past about a million. At best, the higher SP player will have either more options on the battlefield or be 2% more effective (since he got that skill to 5 instead of 4). These boosters help people like you and me with low SP more than they do those with high SP, so stop whining and ask your mom to buy them for you.

I would only like to point out a couple things-

Paying to grind less would mean increasing SP gain but not increasing the cap for the week. Currently you get increased SP gain AND an increased cap. The grind is still endless since skills will be added for as long as the game is around, but the weekly grind is just as long regardless of whether you have a booster active or not. So no, people are not paying to grind less, they are paying to get ahead.

A million SP is nowhere near getting you into gear needed to compete with others in high level gear unless you happen to be a Dust savant (not likely). ~3.5 mil maybe, depending on your character build and if you are specializing.

2% more effective when your class is maxed out? When you have a 25% bonus to your base shield and armor health from mechanics and shield control, 30% damage bonus from weaponry and proficiency skills, 25% extra range with your sharpshooter skill and proficiency, not to mention the myriad of other passive boosts and also not counting the additional mods & gear you can fit onto higher level dropsuits? Oh yeah, that only makes you a 2% more effective.

Once you max your core skills, you can branch out to make yourself more versatile. So even though the maxed AR player isn't getting any better with his AR, he's boosting his skills with his mass driver so he can switch to it and grenade spam you with it mid match, causing you to have to adapt without the advantage of his versatility.

Lastly, we do corp battles plenty, and if anything a players versatility and SP gain is even more pronounced in a corp match than in a pub match. Try playing a corp battle before you start calling others pubbies.

They are grinding less. Buying a booster doesn't magically unlock some mythic 6th level to get in a skill, nor does it give you some crazy bonus. Boosters literally do nothing more than increase your progression through skills; everything a character with Boosters can attain can be attained by a character without them in a reasonable amount of time and effort. That's not pay to win. That's pay to grind less.

I am not a savant, and I am performing rather well. The exceptions are, of course, the corp squads with four people coordinating together, but you'd have a hard time fighting two competent players in basic suits anyway, provided they're coordinating.

Note that I mentioned core skills. If you've been playing for a couple weeks, you've got all that trained. I don't even have them trained to 5 right now and, as I've said, I've been performing well. This isn't EVE; the player behind the dropsuit matters more than the exact multiplier.

Versatility is a much more difficult quality to quantify as being overpowering. At the end of the day, though, being versatile doesn't make you any more dangerous in a single spawn. You're in one configuration or the other, not both at the same time.

Corp matches will always contain the most competitive players tweaking the slightest benefits whenever possible. Ultimately, however, it's teamwork and coordination that will make or break the match; no one is going to be accepting battles against more serious corporations without being on their level. You select your opponents, and if they're more tryhard than you are, you just wait until your SP is the same. Then you get crushed anyway because SP can't make up for skill.

But hey, go ahead and fight against boosters; veterans would love to keep new characters from closing the holy SP gap they see as putting them ahead of everyone else.

Unfortunately, the Active Omega Booster has been delayed indefinitely due to unexpected issues with it (like overwriting your current booster, which isn't intended). We apologize for anyone anticipating the item and hope to get the problems with it solved as soon as possible.

Unfortunately, the Active Omega Booster has been delayed indefinitely due to unexpected issues with it (like overwriting your current booster, which isn't intended). We apologize for anyone anticipating the item and hope to get the problems with it solved as soon as possible.

Unfortunately, the Active Omega Booster has been delayed indefinitely due to unexpected issues with it (like overwriting your current booster, which isn't intended). We apologize for anyone anticipating the item and hope to get the problems with it solved as soon as possible.

Unfortunately, the Active Omega Booster has been delayed indefinitely due to unexpected issues with it (like overwriting your current booster, which isn't intended). We apologize for anyone anticipating the item and hope to get the problems with it solved as soon as possible.

...(like overwriting your current booster, which isn't intended)...

It feels like CCP are much more interested to advance features that test their propensity models on how much people will spend on P2W aspects of the game rather than introducing new game features.

This could explain why the ISK transfer between EVE and Dust is going nowhere. I can't work out what actually impacts the game more - having ISK transfer at crazy Zimbabwe type exchange rates or these pricy items you seem to need to buy because the game is generally ISK poor.

What P2W aspects? They don't care about it because it doesn't exist. There is nothing that can be purchased with AUR that can't also be acquired for free.

blueprints cant be purchased for free
neither can boosters

When the market is up you will be able to.

Exactly the point I was trying to make, Boosters are too effective. Also, Don't be a kitten, it isn't hard at all, we all know that it only takes about a month of playing with an active booster to max out a dropsuit operation. Everything else can be done withing a week to 2 weeks time. For a BETA that isn't even 30% completed yet and missing a lot of vital aspects of the game, thats unacceptable. If we had 100 different types of Dropsuits, Weapon Operations and 1000 different skills, Then Yes having the Weekly Cap system we have now would be acceptable and would probably need to be risen about 100,000 SP or so.

Until the Game is fully released, the player base has risen and we have hundreds to thousands of different skills and weapons to choose from, then the current SP Cap should be lowered significantly.

As is, 1-2 months from now we all have 2 out of the four Dropsuit classes maxed easy. What fun is that, I was expecting us to be running around in militia to standard for at least 4 months before we started seeing advanced suits.

So the playing field will be level "Soon".

But that is still six weeks at least before a change, and that is even if a player market is coming around fanfest, which of course we can't confirm.

The Active Omega Booster has been delayed indefinitely due to unexpected issues with it. We apologize for anyone anticipating the item and hope to get the problems with it solved as soon as possible.

When the market is up you will be able to.

Can everyone that keeps going on about P2W every time something that can be paid for with real money comes out actually offer an alternative? Just once?
Every single thing I have ever seen regarding a F2P model (apart from vanity items) is "its P2W bla bla bla" and then the vanity items are "money grubbing" just like with the Noble Exchange (though the prices on that were pretty ridiculous). How do you expect a game to make any money then if everything they sell pisses you off?
Or is it just expected that companies front millions to create games and just suck it up and take a loss? And then keep the game and its servers running and updated?

I understand there is a fine line that you want to tread with this to make it so that a player is still able to be competitive without paying as you want to maintain that community...but you are still getting something for nothing. There are plenty of sayings of relevance here, such as "don't look a gift horse in the mouth". If you can't stand F2P models then quit bitching and go pay for a game.
Concerns are one thing, but maybe consider that if you have a problem with how it works then maybe you should try and suggest an alternative rather than just "its broken", "nerf nerf nerf", "P2W". So little on this forum seems to be actually constructive.
And now I have inadvertently written a bitching post to go along with the 1001 other posts/threads complaining about something.

Can everyone that keeps going on about P2W every time something that can be paid for with real money comes out actually offer an alternative? Just once?
Every single thing I have ever seen regarding a F2P model (apart from vanity items) is "its P2W bla bla bla" and then the vanity items are "money grubbing" just like with the Noble Exchange (though the prices on that were pretty ridiculous). How do you expect a game to make any money then if everything they sell pisses you off?
Or is it just expected that companies front millions to create games and just suck it up and take a loss? And then keep the game and its servers running and updated?

I understand there is a fine line that you want to tread with this to make it so that a player is still able to be competitive without paying as you want to maintain that community...but you are still getting something for nothing. There are plenty of sayings of relevance here, such as "don't look a gift horse in the mouth". If you can't stand F2P models then quit bitching and go pay for a game.
Concerns are one thing, but maybe consider that if you have a problem with how it works then maybe you should try and suggest an alternative rather than just "its broken", "nerf nerf nerf", "P2W". So little on this forum seems to be actually constructive.
And now I have inadvertently written a bitching post to go along with the 1001 other posts/threads complaining about something.

Ugh, why did you nanoinject this dead corpse?