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Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.04 18:54:00 -
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When the player market is up and running you will be able to buy this thing for ISK (along with every other AUR item). So how is that pay 2 win? Seriously...I want someone to explain to me how something that can be purchased with either real money or ISK is pay 2 win? How is that in any way unfair? Sure, it'll be a lot of ISK compared to regular gear but so what? |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.04 19:29:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:When the player market is up and running you will be able to buy this thing for ISK (along with every other AUR item). So how is that pay 2 win? Seriously...I want someone to explain to me how something that can be purchased with either real money or ISK is pay 2 win? How is that in any way unfair? Sure, it'll be a lot of ISK compared to regular gear but so what? Because the market is NOT up yet. You cannot say a game is currently balanced because of changes they will make some time in the eventual future because it has no bearing on how balanced it is right now. Next argument please.
These aren't "changes" in the "eventual future", they are "features" when the game is "finished". If someone's building me a house and I decided to start sleeping there before they've put the roof on it do I sue them because my stuff got wet in the rain?
And "how balanced it is right now" is irrelevant if they already have the features planned to address the issue. So everyone can stop whining or just go away until the game is released. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.04 20:47:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:If someone's building me a house and I decided to start sleeping there before they've put the roof on it do I sue them because my stuff got wet in the rain?
And "how balanced it is right now" is irrelevant if they already have the features planned to address the issue. So everyone can stop whining or just go away until the game is released.
Actually you would. (I do get your point, just punishing you for a bad example).[/quote]
Assuming you are in the US I was under the impression the builder could not be held responsible since you chose to live in the house before it passed an inspection by the state. Not 100% sure though, but I still went with it.
I know the builder isn't allowing you to live there before it's ready, so it's not an exact parallel. But I was focusing more on the fact you agree you can't live there until the inspection is passed and the job ruled complete being similar to the agreement we have that we understand it's a work in progress and stuff isn't going to work correctly.
Baal Omniscient wrote:So basically you are saying "It doesn't matter how broken it is right now, because later, at an undisclosed time in the future, after the top paying players have pulled even FURTHER ahead of everyone else, it will be fixed when the game is released". Yeah, makes a lot of sense. 
Yea, that's exactly what I'm saying. That's what you agreed to when you signed up for this, that you understood things would be broken. CCP has a plan in place (read: "major aspect of the game that isn't ready yet") that will balance it out so until they implement that you can deal with it or you can wait for the market to be implemented before playing again. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:57:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:So basically you are saying "It doesn't matter how broken it is right now, because later, at an undisclosed time in the future, after the top paying players have pulled even FURTHER ahead of everyone else, it will be fixed when the game is released". Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Yea, that's exactly what I'm saying. That's what you agreed to when you signed up for this, that you understood things would be broken. CCP has a plan in place (read: "major aspect of the game that isn't ready yet") that will balance it out so until they implement that you can deal with it or you can wait for the market to be implemented before playing again. Waiting for release to fix things, which is exactly what they did for all of the other broken elements in Dust, like the grenade spam and the missile spam. Oh, wait.... When something is massively disadvantaging players, you at least put in a temp fix to keep it from getting out of hand until it can be sorted out. Missiles were heavily nerfed because they were putting well over half of the Dust population (the non-vehicle and non-turret gunner portion) at a disadvantage. They nerfed it to keep it from staying an issue until they could get back around to fixing the issue. Grenades were luckily an easy fix since all they had to do was put the old fuse method back onto them with the new mechanics. This would be an easy fix as well, all you would have to do is lock the boosters like that guy said a few posts ago once players reach a certain SP level. Their SP income would return to normal once the market opened up, and in the mean time newer players would have the chance to work hard and narrow the gap little by little. It's not like I need to be 3 Mil SP ahead of everyone else to win, I'm just fine with playing on even footing. If you lock the boosters, people can keep the time left on the boosters they paid for, people under the SP booster cap would still get to boost, and when the market opens up EVERYONE can buy boosters and the locked boosters would get reactivated. I have no sympathy for people who feel they need to be millions of SP ahead of others to win, and I have no sympathy for CCP who is making plenty off their AUR proto suits, so I have no qualms with it.
Never said wait for release I just said wait until the market is up and running. I see what you mean about them throwing up temporary fixes. But I don't think this is the same thing as missle turrets and grenades. The crap with dropships and missle turrets was completely gamebreaking and had to go immediately. The grenade timer was pretty bad but just required a simple tweaking.
I just don't see SP as being gamebreaking right now. And as far as locking them after a certain point I can see 2 problems. Diminishing returns on SP means the boosters will make less and less of a difference at higher levels so just locking them wouldn't really change too much. And more importantly wouldn't be able to watch player's skill progression to make future changes. CCP really needs to see how fast we get skills and what we train so they can make educated choices in the future.
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Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.05 05:55:00 -
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Eltra Ardell wrote:Glad to see pubbies in Dust are just as dumb and quick to cry out as pubbies in World of Tanks. I'm sorry, but paying to grind less is not pay to win.
Also things that can be purchased with in game currency are not pay to win. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:31:00 -
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Bald Crusader Two wrote:It feels like CCP are much more interested to advance features that test their propensity models on how much people will spend on P2W aspects of the game rather than introducing new game features.
This could explain why the ISK transfer between EVE and Dust is going nowhere. I can't work out what actually impacts the game more - having ISK transfer at crazy Zimbabwe type exchange rates or these pricy items you seem to need to buy because the game is generally ISK poor.
What P2W aspects? They don't care about it because it doesn't exist. There is nothing that can be purchased with AUR that can't also be acquired for free. |
Altina McAlterson
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:25:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:
blueprints cant be purchased for free
neither can boosters
When the market is up you will be able to. |
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