I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one.
This is not hate this is just frustrating.

We're not stomping you,

We're teaching you to get better!

Without a challenge no one can get guuuud.

The entire matchmaking system in this game needs a good revision. Without such a revision matches like that will drive new people (and even a few experienced people) away from the game. It needs either a Mercenary Mode where no squads are allowed until the game is formed so elite teams like that can't dominate a match. Or based upon meta-level.

This is the one topic I am not a fan of the "qq more" answer since it is a legitimate fault with the game design.

We're not stomping you,

We're teaching you to get better!

Without a challenge no one can get guuuud.

You're teaching people that you love trolling pub matches and making them leave. Don't pretend otherwise or you'll make yourself look like a fool.

QQ more,

Your tears fuel my tank.

And tear prices are at an all time high!!!

So expensive.

I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one.
This is not hate this is just frustrating.

The point is CCP is a business, how does a business survive? By maintaining profitability and that cannot happen when much of your player base abandons the game you worked so hard on a lot quicker than expected because of the mentality of experienced players.

"It happened to us and we learned"
"We are not stomping you, we're helping you get better"
"QQ more"

That will not help Dust survive. Personally coming from EVE I don't mind so much, it does have its frustrating moments but it also as its rewarding moments. Again though I fall into the small niche of gamers that will play anyway, but it is to small a niche for Dust to remain viable.

The imperfects are like herpes..... you think they are gone and then they come back more inflamed and nasty than before.....

Just lol.

+1

The imperfects are like child molesters..... They promise you candy and puppies but what you end up getting is the long hard throbbing shaft of teamwork and proto gear.

I've found shooting them in the face with an HMG works pretty well.

Your mileage may vary.

Had some nice battles with uh, SpaceNaz I think? the other day. Guy's good.

The entire matchmaking system in this game needs a good revision. Without such a revision matches like that will drive new people (and even a few experienced people) away from the game. It needs either a Mercenary Mode where no squads are allowed until the game is formed so elite teams like that can't dominate a match. Or based upon meta-level.

This is the one topic I am not a fan of the "qq more" answer since it is a legitimate fault with the game design.

Yeah, a no pre-formed squad option is a must, especially since 6 man squads are coming soon.

Even when I run solo and there is 2 or 3 other decent players on my side, we dominate the heck out of the other team most of the time, and none of us are even communicating with eachother. We all do our own thing, and before you know it, steamroll. So with pre-formed squads of decent players that are communicating and trying to work as a team, it is even more devastating.

Coupled with the new ambush spawning, it is even worse now. I say let those who squad up, play against other squads of players. Matches are much more fun that way anyway.

Also they still need to work out the kinks in matchmaking regarding balancing out teams. I still see too many lopsided matches. It's either me and a bunch of name-brand players going up against a full team of newberries, or I am on the team of newberries vs all the experienced players.

Mmmm I see hmg, I go the other way, while QQing about HMG is so OP in comms.

I see a laser rifle shooting my heavy while i stumble across the street and i just stop and say " **** it!!!!"

I know the squad the OP is talking about. I went up against them myself. However we still won...it's not that hard

jokes aside, solo players should only get matched up against other solo players. group players can get their own play list, I propose moar options

Solo player list
Small group player list (1-3 people)
large group list( anyone can join)

solo players will be able to join group games but not vice versa.

I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one.
This is not hate this is just frustrating.

It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste.

Lol look at OP's other posts! this is a imperfect alt for sure.

pretty good troll imperfects. Its unbelievable how many people fell for it.

His only other post on the forums is for the new sp vote and saying how he was going to get his corp to make a bunch of alts for the vote.

god people walk up

Its a imperfect alt char epeen stroking. clear as day

The point is CCP is a business, how does a business survive? By maintaining profitability and that cannot happen when much of your player base abandons the game you worked so hard on a lot quicker than expected because of the mentality of experienced players.

"It happened to us and we learned"
"We are not stomping you, we're helping you get better"
"QQ more"

That will not help Dust survive. Personally coming from EVE I don't mind so much, it does have its frustrating moments but it also as its rewarding moments. Again though I fall into the small niche of gamers that will play anyway, but it is to small a niche for Dust to remain viable.

We're not stomping you,

We're teaching you to get better!

Without a challenge no one can get guuuud.

I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one.
This is not hate this is just frustrating.

Why would I deny such a lovely statement.

Let me revise,

We're filtering out the weak.

Yes, by putting them all in your corp :)

Yeah, a no pre-formed squad option is a must, especially since 6 man squads are coming soon.

Even when I run solo and there is 2 or 3 other decent players on my side, we dominate the heck out of the other team most of the time, and none of us are even communicating with eachother. We all do our own thing, and before you know it, steamroll. So with pre-formed squads of decent players that are communicating and trying to work as a team, it is even more devastating.

Coupled with the new ambush spawning, it is even worse now. I say let those who squad up, play against other squads of players. Matches are much more fun that way anyway.

Also they still need to work out the kinks in matchmaking regarding balancing out teams. I still see too many lopsided matches. It's either me and a bunch of name-brand players going up against a full team of newberries, or I am on the team of newberries vs all the experienced players.

You're teaching people that you love trolling pub matches and making them leave. Don't pretend otherwise or you'll make yourself look like a fool.

The entire matchmaking system in this game needs a good revision. Without such a revision matches like that will drive new people (and even a few experienced people) away from the game. It needs either a Mercenary Mode where no squads are allowed until the game is formed so elite teams like that can't dominate a match. Or based upon meta-level.

This is the one topic I am not a fan of the "qq more" answer since it is a legitimate fault with the game design.

lol QQing all up in here.

I loved the remark about them relying on teamwork too much LOL. Seriously...some people here should just go back to something closer to their skill level...Sonic the Hedgehog perhaps, or Pacman.

lol QQing all up in here.

I loved the remark about them relying on teamwork too much LOL. Seriously...some people here should just go back to something closer to their skill level...Sonic the Hedgehog perhaps, or Pacman.

I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one.
This is not hate this is just frustrating.

I know the squad the OP is talking about. I went up against them myself. However we still won...it's not that hard

Edit: actually its pretty hard.. But not imposible

TBH imperfects rely on team work a bit too mutch im not even in proto gear aka only 3 mil sp and i can still manage to kill them rather easy when i get one or 2 of them alone but the only way i get a good game is when they come in as a squad

The entire matchmaking system in this game needs a good revision. Without such a revision matches like that will drive new people (and even a few experienced people) away from the game. It needs either a Mercenary Mode where no squads are allowed until the game is formed so elite teams like that can't dominate a match. Or based upon meta-level.

This is the one topic I am not a fan of the "qq more" answer since it is a legitimate fault with the game design.

The point is CCP is a business, how does a business survive? By maintaining profitability and that cannot happen when much of your player base abandons the game you worked so hard on a lot quicker than expected because of the mentality of experienced players.

"It happened to us and we learned"
"We are not stomping you, we're helping you get better"
"QQ more"

That will not help Dust survive. Personally coming from EVE I don't mind so much, it does have its frustrating moments but it also as its rewarding moments. Again though I fall into the small niche of gamers that will play anyway, but it is to small a niche for Dust to remain viable.

You're teaching people that you love trolling pub matches and making them leave. Don't pretend otherwise or you'll make yourself look like a fool.

Yeah, a no pre-formed squad option is a must, especially since 6 man squads are coming soon.

Even when I run solo and there is 2 or 3 other decent players on my side, we dominate the heck out of the other team most of the time, and none of us are even communicating with eachother. We all do our own thing, and before you know it, steamroll. So with pre-formed squads of decent players that are communicating and trying to work as a team, it is even more devastating.

Coupled with the new ambush spawning, it is even worse now. I say let those who squad up, play against other squads of players. Matches are much more fun that way anyway.

Also they still need to work out the kinks in matchmaking regarding balancing out teams. I still see too many lopsided matches. It's either me and a bunch of name-brand players going up against a full team of newberries, or I am on the team of newberries vs all the experienced players.

TBH imperfects rely on team work a bit too mutch im not even in proto gear aka only 3 mil sp and i can still manage to kill them rather easy when i get one or 2 of them alone but the only way i get a good game is when they come in as a squad

Why does everyone seek to create "balance" by limiting the sandbox??

(note: not directed at you Gunner, but I wanted to quote that thought)

This is way off topic, but being an older guy and seeing what they teach my kids now...there's a lot of "You're all special, unique winners! YOU get a trophy, YOU get a trophy, EVERYONE GETS A TROPHY!"

Guess what? No, you're not special. You're probably not a winner. Not everyone gets a trophy.

For there to be winners, there have to be losers. My kids know this, but it looks like some people never got this message that they so desperately need.

Stop whining, get better. If it was easy and everyone was equal, people would get bored fast and just leave.

I don't know when people went from "wow that guy's good...maybe if I work at it I can be as good as him" to "f that guy, I need to tear him down to make this playing field level!" I remember in college they had shirts from a company called "No Fear" that said "Second place is the first loser". What happened to that attitude?

Success is about hard work and perseverance, not having it handed to you. HTFU!

In order for the game to survive it needs to expand beyond a niche market that hones in on a core group of players it needs to appeal to much wider audience. With such a small player base already the attitude needs to improve that while in life people win and people lose, I've taught my daughters that as well. In the video game world it is not like that if you want to be a profitable company.

Case in point Halo 4 went from a even arena based shooter to borrowing elements from other FPS games. The original core niche group hates the game but it is constantly 4th on XBL. It diverged from its original model to survive in such a competitive market. If Dust is to have any good population size that justifies keeping the servers open it will need to compete against games like Destiny, Halo 5/6, Defiance and whatever else is coming down the pipe.

If it cannot compete it cannot survive. I for one love the game and won't stop playing, but I am intelligent and reasonable enough to understand that the game needs to appeal to a wider audience.

I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one.
This is not hate this is just frustrating.

What's the problem? It's more ISK for you which is all that really matters.

If you can kill us

The entire matchmaking system in this game needs a good revision. Without such a revision matches like that will drive new people (and even a few experienced people) away from the game. It needs either a Mercenary Mode where no squads are allowed until the game is formed so elite teams like that can't dominate a match. Or based upon meta-level.

This is the one topic I am not a fan of the "qq more" answer since it is a legitimate fault with the game design.

The imperfects are like herpes..... you think they are gone and then they come back more inflamed and nasty than before.....

Who cares if they run full proto or not? Its not like if they havent done it before in the older builds. It simply repeats over and over. Next time please tell me something that i didnt knew. And sooner or later every 1 is running proto stuff. Just a matter of time.

The point is CCP is a business, how does a business survive? By maintaining profitability and that cannot happen when much of your player base abandons the game you worked so hard on a lot quicker than expected because of the mentality of experienced players.

"It happened to us and we learned"
"We are not stomping you, we're helping you get better"
"QQ more"

That will not help Dust survive. Personally coming from EVE I don't mind so much, it does have its frustrating moments but it also as its rewarding moments. Again though I fall into the small niche of gamers that will play anyway, but it is to small a niche for Dust to remain viable.

New group same effect, Kain Spero, Howdidthattaste, Doug "I'm So Ugly" and myself the DP. Does not matter who you are, you are going down today.

Hmmm.....don't mean to generate hate or anything but you should just really stop. You're making the Imperfects look like a bunch of snotty kids who got nothing else to do.

From a beginner's viewpoint (I'm not a beginner, just to clarify), if I saw the very first couple of matches that I come into with a lot of players on the other side wearing proto gear, I know I personally wouldn't play the game very long due to the fact emptying a whole magazine into them did nothing while 2 bullets killed the new person. It is extremely difficult for "noobs" to "get guud" when they keep dying in a couple of bullets while they themselves can barely dish out damage. How do you expect them to get better if they can't accumulate a good amount of SP without them getting curb stomped by pro corps and players all the time?

Skill is skill. However, there is limits to skill and going militia against proto gear is near suicide. (Well there are rare instances where militia does beat proto-wearing players. I.E. militia sniper, shotgun, etc.)

The sequel is never better than the original.

The sequel is never better than the original.

Godfather 2, Empire Strikes Back, Aliens, Dark Knight.

At this point im just keeping up my SP and playing to hang with my buddies. If Defiance has any bit of content and a polished shooter im gone and will let my character collect dust on the shelf.

Well it will be our problem when the servers are shut off due to a lack of viability.

EvE has what 500,000 unique users (not counting all the alt accounts) its core group already has the entire game monopolized so making new players having to merely exist in the shadow of the mega-corps that dominate low/null sec. Where as other games that have much higher population totals allow new players to compete at all levels of play and eventually allowing those who just start after weeks of dedicated play to attain end game content. They appeal to a larger market and have the player base to prove it.

EvE/Dust went the opposite approach and that is why you see such dismissive attitudes from those who have played for years because short of joining a mega-corp your enjoyment of EvE is very limited to High Sec space which can get dull quickly. If they really want to get more interest in Dust/EvE they need to address those concerns.

I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one.
This is not hate this is just frustrating.

Well it will be our problem when the servers are shut off due to a lack of viability.

EvE has what 500,000 unique users (not counting all the alt accounts) its core group already has the entire game monopolized so making new players having to merely exist in the shadow of the mega-corps that dominate low/null sec. Where as other games that have much higher population totals allow new players to compete at all levels of play and eventually allowing those who just start after weeks of dedicated play to attain end game content. They appeal to a larger market and have the player base to prove it.

EvE/Dust went the opposite approach and that is why you see such dismissive attitudes from those who have played for years because short of joining a mega-corp your enjoyment of EvE is very limited to High Sec space which can get dull quickly. If they really want to get more interest in Dust/EvE they need to address those concerns.

That is the issue. How many of them will play through that hassle to get to that content when their first 2 weeks will be brutal when they can just hop onto CoD:BO2, Crysis 3 and other games and play on an even footing?

Do I win a fight with an Imp guy? No.

All that was heard.

My heavy suit costs 39,000isk a pop.

I've killed several Imps in proto gear with it. Do I always win a fight with an Imp guy? No. Do I care? No. I don't always win fights against other corps' people who have proto gear, either. Hell, sometimes I lose to randoms in proto gear. Sometimes I even lose to randoms in bad gear, despite how strong my suit is. It happens.

I don't get the whining, they're good players. If you put them in militia suits, they'd still roll 80% of the playerbase without much issue. It's the same thing for the top tier players in other corps and the few top tier players in NPC corps. It's really not so much the gear that's making them stomp people, they're just good. It's just easier for people to blame the gear rather than accept the fact that they might not be as good as someone else at a video game.

Who are you again?

The person this thread is about.

Who are you?

The person this thread is about.

Who are you?

So in conclusion from most of the posts:
This game is NOT new player/noob friendly compared to other shooters due to lack of content.

Is that about right?

Wow really? Does everyone in this player base jump on Imp d***? Stop the threads, alot of corps pub stomp with proto.

That is the issue. How many of them will play through that hassle to get to that content when their first 2 weeks will be brutal when they can just hop onto CoD:BO2, Crysis 3 and other games and play on an even footing?

its free and costs them nothing to keep and gain passive, if people are too dumb for that well then it wont how long they stick around noone will ever want them for fw and theyll get bored of pubs eventually and leave anyway better to do it early

I for one enjoy playing against a squad of Imps or other top players in pub matches, I play as a logi and though we may lose the match, I stack countless WP from picking up the dead, and repairing armor. Lmao, shit happens!!

I have to agree. I have gotten my ass kicked by these guys a couple of times but I learned from it and took from it and my squad has been doing great lately. Like it or not, they use team work 100% and that wins matches.

People don't "get good" from fighting other good players. In my experience, you pick up a controller and start playing a game with the same skill as when you are playing ten years later. Sure, you can learn tactics, but those don't improve your ability to manipulate joysticks on a gamepad, or push a mouse over a surface.

Just thought I'd throw that in.

People don't "get good" from fighting other good players. In my experience, you pick up a controller and start playing a game with the same skill as when you are playing ten years later. Sure, you can learn tactics, but those don't improve your ability to manipulate joysticks on a gamepad, or push a mouse over a surface.

Just thought I'd throw that in.

Imperfects arent good, we just have chuck norris on our side

(Sry i couldnt help it)

Thought I'd just leave this here. As it implys.

I cant believe the chuck norris thread exploded that fast lol

Edit--I never played Wow but im pretty sure id get rolled in pvp against a vet if i loaded it up today.

You mean it separates players based on skill..yawn thats lame PVP.

The SANDBOX appeals and it grows in TIME, its not about the early cash grab its about the long term projection. That the difference b/w people who play chess and those who play checkers. Its about seeing the big picture and the results that occur in 6 months 12 months and 24 months from now.

Dust can maintain viability on the backs of EVE subscriptions until it gets big. It may **** of EVE players as they feel thats resources that should be going to EVE. But you cant expand a business or a universe without capital and that capital often comes from within and means diverting it from other projects, but the short term reduction in funding is designed to INCREASE long term funds for the whole system, in this case EVE and Dust. But im really done trying to explain basic business modeling and marketing strategies.

You dont have to agree with it, not everyone is capable of vision.

Ive said it before CCP needs to get a move on with the FW and securities zone along with the economy(metagame stuff) that will kill this game far quicker than how player are being matched in pubstomps.

The imperfects are like herpes.... you think they are gone but they come back more inflamed and angry than before...

@Fraceska: Dust514 is hosted on the same servers as EVE, so there isn't exactly an "additional cost" in terms of servers between the two games. The only cost CCP incurs is development costs for new content, updates, and fixes.

I'm sorry i just have to quote this into this thread

I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one.
This is not hate this is just frustrating.

STB player posting in a, lets moan about Imperfects, thread, and not actually moaning \o/

We are recruiting for Impswarm, would you like to submit your application now or later?

Because DJINN puts on a good show.

I always enjoy matches with you guys.

I know we'll have to actually put out effort.

Yeah, a no pre-formed squad option is a must, especially since 6 man squads are coming soon.

Even when I run solo and there is 2 or 3 other decent players on my side, we dominate the heck out of the other team most of the time, and none of us are even communicating with eachother. We all do our own thing, and before you know it, steamroll. So with pre-formed squads of decent players that are communicating and trying to work as a team, it is even more devastating.

Coupled with the new ambush spawning, it is even worse now. I say let those who squad up, play against other squads of players. Matches are much more fun that way anyway.

Also they still need to work out the kinks in matchmaking regarding balancing out teams. I still see too many lopsided matches. It's either me and a bunch of name-brand players going up against a full team of newberries, or I am on the team of newberries vs all the experienced players.

Just lol.

+1

The imperfects are like herpes..... you think they are gone and then they come back more inflamed and nasty than before.....

Lol look at OP's other posts! this is a imperfect alt for sure.

pretty good troll imperfects. Its unbelievable how many people fell for it.

His only other post on the forums is for the new sp vote and saying how he was going to get his corp to make a bunch of alts for the vote.

god people walk up

Its a imperfect alt char epeen stroking. clear as day

We're not stomping you,

We're teaching you to get better!

Without a challenge no one can get guuuud.