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The Lone Deranger
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:40:00 -
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Wow really? Does everyone in this player base jump on Imp d***? Stop the threads, alot of corps pub stomp with proto. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:45:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote: At this point im just keeping up my SP and playing to hang with my buddies. If Defiance has any bit of content and a polished shooter im gone and will let my character collect dust on the shelf.
Defiance is going to be glorious and I will have trouble putting it down. With all the transmedia content the game will have it will definitely be pioneering. I am just killing time with Dust until Defiance comes out. And then it will just be Defiance until next gen consoles come out. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:48:00 -
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It gets old. It's like the DUST community can't live without Imperfects. All I see is crying that they are irrelevant to the game and how they have the biggest egos and require out attention. People make them sound like whining babies screaming for a bottle. YET! Every time I come into the forums there is a brand new post dissing and giving Imperfects the attention. If I could log on every day and guarantee a community having me on their mind 24/7 I would have a huge ego 24/7 as well.
For the 2 weeks or so I have been getting on the forums EVERY SINGLE TIME there is a post, be it negative or positive about the Imperfects. You guys keep crying to just clean them from your minds but you continue to make posts about them giving them your attention. Get guud as it was said and HOP OFF!
They are only doing what anybody else would do. I agree it has potential to kill the game slaughtering new people on a daily basis but that is CCP's problem NOT ours. There will always be another shooter on it's way stamped with approval this much I can promise. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:58:00 -
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Well it will be our problem when the servers are shut off due to a lack of viability.
EvE has what 500,000 unique users (not counting all the alt accounts) its core group already has the entire game monopolized so making new players having to merely exist in the shadow of the mega-corps that dominate low/null sec. Where as other games that have much higher population totals allow new players to compete at all levels of play and eventually allowing those who just start after weeks of dedicated play to attain end game content. They appeal to a larger market and have the player base to prove it.
EvE/Dust went the opposite approach and that is why you see such dismissive attitudes from those who have played for years because short of joining a mega-corp your enjoyment of EvE is very limited to High Sec space which can get dull quickly. If they really want to get more interest in Dust/EvE they need to address those concerns. |
Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
216
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:05:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:Well it will be our problem when the servers are shut off due to a lack of viability.
EvE has what 500,000 unique users (not counting all the alt accounts) its core group already has the entire game monopolized so making new players having to merely exist in the shadow of the mega-corps that dominate low/null sec. Where as other games that have much higher population totals allow new players to compete at all levels of play and eventually allowing those who just start after weeks of dedicated play to attain end game content. They appeal to a larger market and have the player base to prove it.
EvE/Dust went the opposite approach and that is why you see such dismissive attitudes from those who have played for years because short of joining a mega-corp your enjoyment of EvE is very limited to High Sec space which can get dull quickly. If they really want to get more interest in Dust/EvE they need to address those concerns.
Other games do allow newer plays more abilities per say, however none of them have "real" rpg elements. Part of an rpg experience is having a designed imbalance. People who have been playing will most likely whip on the new guys, that is just part of the game. Your not gana have a lv1 in wow whoop a lv50; just isnt gana happen
However wait 2 months then those new guys will have the gear we do now. The only difference is we will have specce into other areas now; but our core skills will more or less be the same. we will just be able to adapt to a changing battlefield better then they would |
Thurak Mirunas
BetaMax.
13
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:11:00 -
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x-Sasquatch-x wrote:I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating.
Learn to play, HTFU, nothing stops you getting in a squad, this is like and EVE player complaining that a fleet of wolves using TS beat a fleet of rifters with no coms at all |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
32
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:11:00 -
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That is the issue. How many of them will play through that hassle to get to that content when their first 2 weeks will be brutal when they can just hop onto CoD:BO2, Crysis 3 and other games and play on an even footing? |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:11:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:Well it will be our problem when the servers are shut off due to a lack of viability.
EvE has what 500,000 unique users (not counting all the alt accounts) its core group already has the entire game monopolized so making new players having to merely exist in the shadow of the mega-corps that dominate low/null sec. Where as other games that have much higher population totals allow new players to compete at all levels of play and eventually allowing those who just start after weeks of dedicated play to attain end game content. They appeal to a larger market and have the player base to prove it.
EvE/Dust went the opposite approach and that is why you see such dismissive attitudes from those who have played for years because short of joining a mega-corp your enjoyment of EvE is very limited to High Sec space which can get dull quickly. If they really want to get more interest in Dust/EvE they need to address those concerns.
There are shooters coming out that are gonna give you shooter/RPG/MMO element. IF Dust falls due to new players being killed off it was a good run but there will be more shooters coming out with MMPORPG element. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
32
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:14:00 -
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Defiance is one of those games. Oh sweet baby Jesus it is going to be good. I already have mine ordered! |
Swansea Spree
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:18:00 -
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The problem isn't no-lifers in protogear. The problem is no-lifers not having anything to do OTHER than pubstomp. Don't blame no-lifers. Blame CCP.
Edit: As far as people saying "Good, we don't need scrubs in the game" etc, etc. It's a very bad idea to want people to leave the game. Any game. Unless when you finally get to Faction Warfare, you want to see the same thousand people running around all the time. |
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Scalesdini
Universal Allies Inc.
103
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:19:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:That is the issue. How many of them will play through that hassle to get to that content when their first 2 weeks will be brutal when they can just hop onto CoD:BO2, Crysis 3 and other games and play on an even footing?
My heavy suit costs 39,000isk a pop.
I've killed several Imps in proto gear with it. Do I always win a fight with an Imp guy? No. Do I care? No. I don't always win fights against other corps' people who have proto gear, either. Hell, sometimes I lose to randoms in proto gear. Sometimes I even lose to randoms in bad gear, despite how strong my suit is. It happens.
I don't get the whining, they're good players. If you put them in militia suits, they'd still roll 80% of the playerbase without much issue. It's the same thing for the top tier players in other corps and the few top tier players in NPC corps. It's really not so much the gear that's making them stomp people, they're just good. It's just easier for people to blame the gear rather than accept the fact that they might not be as good as someone else at a video game. |
KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
334
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:23:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote: Do I win a fight with an Imp guy? No. All that was heard. |
Scalesdini
Universal Allies Inc.
103
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:27:00 -
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KryptixX wrote:Scalesdini wrote: Do I win a fight with an Imp guy? No. All that was heard.
Who are you again? |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:27:00 -
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I don't think I've whined about them specifically, but more on a more look at Dust. Combine with the SP to be able use a gun with any reasonable skill, plus which armors to fill what rolls, against vehicles and dropships. The game is not very new person friendly. I have friends that have played pro in BF3/Halo/CoD and will not touch this game due to balancing of gear and SP. It is the fact that players with high meta level and SP are put into matches against experienced players.
But put a brand new person into CoD, BF3 or Halo and they will still be able to make a difference. Shields, armor and health are not determined in those games by SP invested from playing. it starts out on a even field and skill comes down to it. That is my position on the game. Not that one faction dominates the others this is New Eden, but if you want to attract a new fan base concessions will need to be made. Though if Halo has taught me anything the core group that has played from the beginning will hate those changes. It is almost a no-win situation for the company. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:28:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote:Fraceska wrote:That is the issue. How many of them will play through that hassle to get to that content when their first 2 weeks will be brutal when they can just hop onto CoD:BO2, Crysis 3 and other games and play on an even footing? My heavy suit costs 39,000isk a pop. I've killed several Imps in proto gear with it. Do I always win a fight with an Imp guy? No. Do I care? No. I don't always win fights against other corps' people who have proto gear, either. Hell, sometimes I lose to randoms in proto gear. Sometimes I even lose to randoms in bad gear, despite how strong my suit is. It happens. I don't get the whining, they're good players. If you put them in militia suits, they'd still roll 80% of the playerbase without much issue. It's the same thing for the top tier players in other corps and the few top tier players in NPC corps. It's really not so much the gear that's making them stomp people, they're just good. It's just easier for people to blame the gear rather than accept the fact that they might not be as good as someone else at a video game.
I agree, they are good players no doubt about it. To say they would roll through 80% of the players in this game though? Lol! This game isn't full of bottle necks like others. I doubt 80% in militia gear in a game with no bottle neck maps. |
KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
334
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:30:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote:KryptixX wrote:Scalesdini wrote: Do I win a fight with an Imp guy? No. All that was heard. Who are you again? The person this thread is about.
Who are you? |
Scalesdini
Universal Allies Inc.
103
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:33:00 -
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KryptixX wrote:Scalesdini wrote:KryptixX wrote:Scalesdini wrote: Do I win a fight with an Imp guy? No. All that was heard. Who are you again? The person this thread is about. Who are you?
The person all threads are about at the subconscious level. |
Kane Fyea
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:33:00 -
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KryptixX wrote:Scalesdini wrote:KryptixX wrote:Scalesdini wrote: Do I win a fight with an Imp guy? No. All that was heard. Who are you again? The person this thread is about. Who are you? Sorry but seriously who the fk are you. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
31
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:34:00 -
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Haha. |
Drake435
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
7
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:40:00 -
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So in conclusion from most of the posts: This game is NOT new player/noob friendly compared to other shooters due to lack of content.
Is that about right?
EDIT: Oh and a question. Skill determines a lot in this game. But what exactly is skill? Is skill all of the in-game skills that you managed to level to make yourself more elite? Or is it the skill of the players themselves? Telling a new player to "get good" doesn't mean they suck at shooters. They probably just have no in-game skills to keep themselves alive or dish out damage. |
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Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:41:00 -
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Drake435 wrote:So in conclusion from most of the posts: This game is NOT new player/noob friendly compared to other shooters due to lack of content.
Is that about right?
Pretty much |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:42:00 -
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If they have a bad time in the beta will they come back for the release? Will they look into the wider content that is New Eden? That is my biggest concern is having a large enough player base to keep the servers open and attract more attention to EvE.
If those trailer videos of exploding ships wasn't enough they need to bring about more of a connection to keep that interest up or new players will simply walk away. And that is not good. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
290
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:54:00 -
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The Lone Deranger wrote:Wow really? Does everyone in this player base jump on Imp d***? Stop the threads, alot of corps pub stomp with proto.
u sound jelly? |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
290
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:03:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:That is the issue. How many of them will play through that hassle to get to that content when their first 2 weeks will be brutal when they can just hop onto CoD:BO2, Crysis 3 and other games and play on an even footing?
its free and costs them nothing to keep and gain passive, if people are too dumb for that well then it wont how long they stick around noone will ever want them for fw and theyll get bored of pubs eventually and leave anyway better to do it early |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:09:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote: its free and costs them nothing to keep and gain passive, if people are too dumb for that well then it wont how long they stick around noone will ever want them for fw and theyll get bored of pubs eventually and leave anyway better to do it early
How does that mindset help ensure the viability of the game?
And the whole notion that it is free.. if that is the case then all those free MMOs should have populations that rival WoW or RIFT but yet they come no where close to it. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
290
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:16:00 -
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My mentality ensures that i dont settle for yet another "dumb" downed watered down experience that everyone can be successful never feel challenged, and ultimately get bored and move on anyway.
The players you speak of are also the most fickle players in the world and NEVER stick around for the long haul so why in the hell should you even try. All you do is keep their attention for slightly longer period of time the next new shiny thing comes and they leave and the core group that is their most avid fans of the game leave out of frustration that "their" game is a shell of its former self.
I will not cave to the locusts and vultures.
Thanks. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:21:00 -
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That is why I said it is a no-win situation for the company to be in. I like Dust how it is (well minus the RDV crashing and my poor dropship exploding before I ever got inside). It is just an issue every company needs to deal with to make the game more appealing to "casual"* gamers while trying to balance the expectations of their core group.
* I do not use casual gamers as an insult but to illustrate the difference between the dedicated Dust players and those who pick the game up occasionally like they would any other game. And not an inference to their skill or lack there of. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:59:00 -
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Blammmo wrote:I for one enjoy playing against a squad of Imps or other top players in pub matches, I play as a logi and though we may lose the match, I stack countless WP from picking up the dead, and repairing armor. Lmao, shi t happens!! I have to agree. I have gotten my ass kicked by these guys a couple of times but I learned from it and took from it and my squad has been doing great lately. Like it or not, they use team work 100% and that wins matches. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
587
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:06:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Blammmo wrote:I for one enjoy playing against a squad of Imps or other top players in pub matches, I play as a logi and though we may lose the match, I stack countless WP from picking up the dead, and repairing armor. Lmao, shi t happens!! I have to agree. I have gotten my ass kicked by these guys a couple of times but I learned from it and took from it and my squad has been doing great lately. Like it or not, they use team work 100% and that wins matches.
Like I said in my original statement.
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Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
855
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:40:00 -
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People don't "get good" from fighting other good players. In my experience, you pick up a controller and start playing a game with the same skill as when you are playing ten years later. Sure, you can learn tactics, but those don't improve your ability to manipulate joysticks on a gamepad, or push a mouse over a surface.
Just thought I'd throw that in. |
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