DUST Search - Imperfects are now proto stomping in pub matches

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

Fraceska wrote:

The entire matchmaking system in this game needs a good revision. Without such a revision matches like that will drive new people (and even a few experienced people) away from the game. It needs either a Mercenary Mode where no squads are allowed until the game is formed so elite teams like that can't dominate a match. Or based upon meta-level.

This is the one topic I am not a fan of the "qq more" answer since it is a legitimate fault with the game design.

Yeah, a no pre-formed squad option is a must, especially since 6 man squads are coming soon.

Even when I run solo and there is 2 or 3 other decent players on my side, we dominate the heck out of the other team most of the time, and none of us are even communicating with eachother. We all do our own thing, and before you know it, steamroll. So with pre-formed squads of decent players that are communicating and trying to work as a team, it is even more devastating.

Coupled with the new ambush spawning, it is even worse now. I say let those who squad up, play against other squads of players. Matches are much more fun that way anyway.

Also they still need to work out the kinks in matchmaking regarding balancing out teams. I still see too many lopsided matches. It's either me and a bunch of name-brand players going up against a full team of newberries, or I am on the team of newberries vs all the experienced players.

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Thumb Green Starship Troppers 30	Posted - 2013.03.03 07:49:00 - [31] - Quote Yeah, I ran up against a squad of them; if it wasn't for the sp I probably would have quit the match. They aren't the only ones though. I've seen quite an uptick of proto suits today compared to what I normally see.
Acturus Galaxy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.03.03 07:57:00 - [32] - Quote x-Sasquatch-x wrote: I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating. It can be anoying yes, but think about the investments thaey made with the outfit, they will loose money on the fight if they die just 1-2 times while I can die 10 times in my cheap 15k assault oufit and still come out with a profit. It makes sense with the huge difference in kille death ratios when you considers the amount of ISK the individual players invested in their clones. The drawback of the elite squads is that they run togheter while many loose team mates follow them. Run ahead of them and retake the skirmish positions and you will get tons of war points while it allmost start being funny running around. Never stay at the objective you have just captured as it is a magnet to the elite squad blob. imagine how good it feels hitting one with your forge gun, no proto will survive a hit from this weapon. They do however chase me for the rest of the encounter
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 375	Posted - 2013.03.03 08:04:00 - [33] - Quote x-Sasquatch-x wrote: It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. Ran into these two douchebags running with their corpmates today. Kane with that bloody Freedom Mass Driver and Taste with that fking HMG. 2 games I got stomped and switched to my starter sniper fit and camped in the back after 5 minutes of our team spawn getting spawn trapped lmao. 3rd game i got paired with a better team and we got em' good.
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 30	Posted - 2013.03.03 08:04:00 - [34] - Quote Lol look at OP's other posts! this is a imperfect alt for sure. pretty good troll imperfects. Its unbelievable how many people fell for it. His only other post on the forums is for the new sp vote and saying how he was going to get his corp to make a bunch of alts for the vote. god people walk up Its a imperfect alt char epeen stroking. clear as day
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 375	Posted - 2013.03.03 08:08:00 - [35] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: Lol look at OP's other posts! this is a imperfect alt for sure. pretty good troll imperfects. Its unbelievable how many people fell for it. His only other post on the forums is for the new sp vote and saying how he was going to get his corp to make a bunch of alts for the vote. god people walk up Its a imperfect alt char epeen stroking. clear as day Damn! If this is true OP is a f@ggot.
kellogs27 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 63	Posted - 2013.03.03 08:13:00 - [36] - Quote Fraceska wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: We're not stomping you, We're teaching you to get better! Without a challenge no one can get guuuud. The point is CCP is a business, how does a business survive? By maintaining profitability and that cannot happen when much of your player base abandons the game you worked so hard on a lot quicker than expected because of the mentality of experienced players. "It happened to us and we learned" "We are not stomping you, we're helping you get better" "QQ more" That will not help Dust survive. Personally coming from EVE I don't mind so much, it does have its frustrating moments but it also as its rewarding moments. Again though I fall into the small niche of gamers that will play anyway, but it is to small a niche for Dust to remain viable. Confirming dust is dying.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 421	Posted - 2013.03.03 08:16:00 - [37] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: x-Sasquatch-x wrote: I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating. We're not stomping you, We're teaching you to get better! Without a challenge no one can get guuuud. Treat it as a free education mercs - and pay attention to your lessons!
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 139	Posted - 2013.03.03 08:27:00 - [38] - Quote Soo just last week people were saying how bad we are and how we used to be good so I dont see the problem..stick in a group you will die solo everytime
Entrei Blackstorm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 49	Posted - 2013.03.03 09:25:00 - [39] - Quote x-Sasquatch-x wrote: I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating. Bound to happen; give it time and you'll be doing the same.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1931	Posted - 2013.03.03 09:53:00 - [40] - Quote And here I was, thinking proto gear would be an accomplishment. Nope, **** around for a month, toss CCP some cash, and you too can feel like you have any form of skill as matchmaking works diligently to find you opponents that you couldn't possibly lose to......

THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 41	Posted - 2013.03.03 12:22:00 - [41] - Quote lol QQing all up in here. I loved the remark about them relying on teamwork too much LOL. Seriously...some people here should just go back to something closer to their skill level...Sonic the Hedgehog perhaps, or Pacman.
Red Eye Laser Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 8	Posted - 2013.03.03 12:37:00 - [42] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: x-Sasquatch-x wrote: I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating. We're not stomping you, We're teaching you to get better! Without a challenge no one can get guuuud. You're teaching people that you love trolling pub matches and making them leave. Don't pretend otherwise or you'll make yourself look like a fool. Why would I deny such a lovely statement. Let me revise, We're filtering out the weak. Yes, by putting them all in your corp :)
Preacher Death 2 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 22	Posted - 2013.03.03 12:39:00 - [43] - Quote Red Eye Laser wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: x-Sasquatch-x wrote: I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating. We're not stomping you, We're teaching you to get better! Without a challenge no one can get guuuud. You're teaching people that you love trolling pub matches and making them leave. Don't pretend otherwise or you'll make yourself look like a fool. Why would I deny such a lovely statement. Let me revise, We're filtering out the weak. Yes, by putting them all in your corp :) Thats what IMPSwarm is for DUH...
Rei Shepard Spectre II 80	Posted - 2013.03.03 12:49:00 - [44] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Fraceska wrote: The entire matchmaking system in this game needs a good revision. Without such a revision matches like that will drive new people (and even a few experienced people) away from the game. It needs either a Mercenary Mode where no squads are allowed until the game is formed so elite teams like that can't dominate a match. Or based upon meta-level. This is the one topic I am not a fan of the "qq more" answer since it is a legitimate fault with the game design. Yeah, a no pre-formed squad option is a must, especially since 6 man squads are coming soon. Even when I run solo and there is 2 or 3 other decent players on my side, we dominate the heck out of the other team most of the time, and none of us are even communicating with eachother. We all do our own thing, and before you know it, steamroll. So with pre-formed squads of decent players that are communicating and trying to work as a team, it is even more devastating. Coupled with the new ambush spawning, it is even worse now. I say let those who squad up, play against other squads of players. Matches are much more fun that way anyway. Also they still need to work out the kinks in matchmaking regarding balancing out teams. I still see too many lopsided matches. It's either me and a bunch of name-brand players going up against a full team of newberries, or I am on the team of newberries vs all the experienced players. I was gonna respond, but Leuko said everything i wanted to say...and if i join a game it ussually goes the same way.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 48	Posted - 2013.03.03 12:59:00 - [45] - Quote I use LRs on these people, their shields drop quick, its part of the game, we just have to learn to deal with it. It wont be long until we're all wearing Proto suits anyway
ReGnYuM LEGENDof DEI Bragian Order Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.03.03 13:13:00 - [46] - Quote I don't just Pub-Stomp with Proto Gear I take it to the next level _-' Pub Stomping with full Officer gear IE Officer Suit + Officer weapon
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1180	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:07:00 - [47] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: x-Sasquatch-x wrote: I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating. We're not stomping you, We're teaching you to get better! Without a challenge no one can get guuuud. You're teaching people that you love trolling pub matches and making them leave. Don't pretend otherwise or you'll make yourself look like a fool. There is nothing to do besides public matches. Get over yourself.
Blammmo Better Hide R Die 9	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:12:00 - [48] - Quote I for one enjoy playing against a squad of Imps or other top players in pub matches, I play as a logi and though we may lose the match, I stack countless WP from picking up the dead, and repairing armor. Lmao, shit happens!!
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 668	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:16:00 - [49] - Quote Fraceska wrote: The entire matchmaking system in this game needs a good revision. Without such a revision matches like that will drive new people (and even a few experienced people) away from the game. It needs either a Mercenary Mode where no squads are allowed until the game is formed so elite teams like that can't dominate a match. Or based upon meta-level. This is the one topic I am not a fan of the "qq more" answer since it is a legitimate fault with the game design. Thing is, with current skill and gear level among players in Beta, corporations with powerful squads would end up waiting half an hour or more for the instant battle matchmaking system (if there is even one in place at all at this point) to create balanced teams. The Imperfects are good because they devote a lot of time and effort to the game. Among other reasons. So making instant battle arduous and slow for good squads would in effect be punishing players that do well because they are devoted to playing the game. Yes, punishing, because there isn't anything else to do other than play instant battle for SP. And the game show Merc battles and corporation gambling are not really something you can just sit down and play regularly. So there really has to be something else for elite corporations to do, and somewhere else for them to go. When that happens, I would see no problem with making them wait half an hour or forty five minutes for a more evenly balanced pub match if they can't get the heck out of High sec. Plus, the dominate squads pub stomping behaviour could be helping set some parameters for matchmaking and we may just be in the data gathering phase, still. Who knows.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 668	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:20:00 - [50] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: lol QQing all up in here. I loved the remark about them relying on teamwork too much LOL. Seriously...some people here should just go back to something closer to their skill level...Sonic the Hedgehog perhaps, or Pacman. Pac man is hard. Have you ever tried to memorize all the paths to beat all of the different levels? Even with a guide book it can take weeks, even months of effort.

Saj T IT'S NO USE 20	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:37:00 - [51] - Quote Wait, people pretend there's skill involved in this game? I'm sorry but this game requires less skill World of Warcraft, it's very much comparable to the battlegrounds. Good aim is not required in this game, this isn't CS 1.6 or Quake 2 where you need fast reactions and quick aim adjustments. The key to power is simply having map awareness and loads of SP. It's not really hard to kill loads of people when you're doing considerably more damage than them and having considerably more HP to boot. Throw in team mates that'll back you up and the pub stomp is a given. As for corp matches it's just about information, knowing what to do and when to do it. Gee, maybe that's why all the closed beta corps are doing so good? Nah, impossiburu!
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 339	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:37:00 - [52] - Quote If half the stuff in this thread was true halo and cod would have died out ages ago. Stop making execuises u lost deal with it move on. In any game their is a wimner and aloser 90 percent of what I read on this fourms is just incredible QQing over the fact u don't a have a I win button. Is this just a culture thing because iv never come across such bad losers and awful winners that I have found here
Saj T IT'S NO USE 20	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:38:00 - [53] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: lol QQing all up in here. I loved the remark about them relying on teamwork too much LOL. Seriously...some people here should just go back to something closer to their skill level...Sonic the Hedgehog perhaps, or Pacman. Both of those games require more skill than Dust.
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 331	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:44:00 - [54] - Quote x-Sasquatch-x wrote: I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating. To be fair, we were using modded controllers. One of us might have even been using wall h4x.
DEADPOOL5241 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 247	Posted - 2013.03.03 15:11:00 - [55] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: I know the squad the OP is talking about. I went up against them myself. However we still won...it's not that hard Edit: actually its pretty hard.. But not imposible Um I don't think so, we ran into your corp many, many times yesterday and not once did we lose. 50+ Ambush OMS matches and we lost 2 times.
DEADPOOL5241 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 247	Posted - 2013.03.03 15:12:00 - [56] - Quote One Nip wrote: TBH imperfects rely on team work a bit too mutch im not even in proto gear aka only 3 mil sp and i can still manage to kill them rather easy when i get one or 2 of them alone but the only way i get a good game is when they come in as a squad Lies.. all lies. Never been killed by this noob.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 287	Posted - 2013.03.03 15:24:00 - [57] - Quote Fraceska wrote: The entire matchmaking system in this game needs a good revision. Without such a revision matches like that will drive new people (and even a few experienced people) away from the game. It needs either a Mercenary Mode where no squads are allowed until the game is formed so elite teams like that can't dominate a match. Or based upon meta-level. This is the one topic I am not a fan of the "qq more" answer since it is a legitimate fault with the game design. You're a legitimate fault with game design. Get good and qq more. I used to get stomped all the time by them. Instead of running and hiding like a cry baby, i kept going after them forcing myself to fight them. Id go solo after them when they had proto before the wipe and kept pushing myself to my limits. Guess what i a crapton better as a result. Game recognizes game and they came looking for me. And i die in my proto gear all the time, but only to players with skill and imagination who break out of the typical predictable patterns of engaging us in combat.
ImperfectFan514 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 56	Posted - 2013.03.03 15:26:00 - [58] - Quote CCP nerfed proto gear I don't see the point in crying about it anymore.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 287	Posted - 2013.03.03 15:30:00 - [59] - Quote Fraceska wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: We're not stomping you, We're teaching you to get better! Without a challenge no one can get guuuud. The point is CCP is a business, how does a business survive? By maintaining profitability and that cannot happen when much of your player base abandons the game you worked so hard on a lot quicker than expected because of the mentality of experienced players. "It happened to us and we learned" "We are not stomping you, we're helping you get better" "QQ more" That will not help Dust survive. Personally coming from EVE I don't mind so much, it does have its frustrating moments but it also as its rewarding moments. Again though I fall into the small niche of gamers that will play anyway, but it is to small a niche for Dust to remain viable. so you're solution is to "dumb" it down for the masses like every other game. Im sorry i though we were trying to build something better. Yea im dont letting my games go down the path of network tv sitcoms, dramas, movies, etc. Why should i give up my chance at an intelligent game just to make the masses happy. Meh no thanks. Besides once FW and other metagame stuff comes i wont be found in pubs, unless its nullsec anything goes no qq matches.
Dakarin Prime Intara Direct Action Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.03.03 15:30:00 - [60] - Quote So...is the issue here they're in proto gear? Or that they squad up? Or both? I'm confused now.... Anyway, it's really a surprise to people when top tier players that play the game more than average band together, pick a defensible position, strap on some of the most costly equipment in the game, and use voice comms to coordinate end up steamrolling a bunch of random players that don't use any teamwork, run at them head on in militia fits in ones and twos, and can't aim? Is that what we're complaining about here? Would you expect a good match up between a local junior high basketball team and a team in the NBA? Would you expect someone that's studied martial arts for six months to beat a skilled MMA fighter? Would you expect someone that just got their driver's license to win a Formula 1 race? Trust me, I get killed plenty by them when they're squadded up (and when they're not squadded up!), but I at least tend to work down their shields half way and sometimes touch armor first. :p I don't rage about it, it's just a game...if you're that worried about it make a cheap throw away fit (mine's a 3k scout fit) and have at it. Watch where they set up, watch how they move, how they use overlapping fields of fire...LEARN, don't just whine! I will say I've killed Alldin (spelling?) and protoman before. Of course, Alldin was 20 meters away in an ADV scout suit with a shotgun sprinting directly away from me, and protman was at half armor after waxing three guys with his back turned.



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