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Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:44:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:People don't "get good" from fighting other good players. In my experience, you pick up a controller and start playing a game with the same skill as when you are playing ten years later. Sure, you can learn tactics, but those don't improve your ability to manipulate joysticks on a gamepad, or push a mouse over a surface.
Just thought I'd throw that in.
Id have to disagree here. When i started dust back in may, i was horrible. However, since i played more, played with & against better people, i know for a fact ive gotten better.
Same thing in mag. I was horrible, joined a scrubby corp, left, joined another scrub corp, got better left. Joined keq, got bit better, left ; joined rnd and i got even better. Playing with better people does help ones own abilities
But that my opinion |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
587
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:44:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:People don't "get good" from fighting other good players. In my experience, you pick up a controller and start playing a game with the same skill as when you are playing ten years later. Sure, you can learn tactics, but those don't improve your ability to manipulate joysticks on a gamepad, or push a mouse over a surface.
Just thought I'd throw that in.
This is true,
And if your hand eye coordination is lacking,
I suggest outside stuff and save money by not gaming.
Unless you don't QQ and really enjoy it, losing or not. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Greatness Achieved Through Training
7
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:47:00 -
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They use expensive equipment. I blow it up, and sometimes I lose less expensive equipment.
Not seeing the problem. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
589
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:49:00 -
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Thought I'd just leave this here. As it implys.
Berserker007 wrote:Imperfects arent good, we just have chuck norris on our side
(Sry i couldnt help it)
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undeadsoldier90
UnReaL.
173
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:50:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Thought I'd just leave this here. As it implys. Berserker007 wrote:Imperfects arent good, we just have chuck norris on our side
(Sry i couldnt help it)
I cant believe the chuck norris thread exploded that fast lol |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
589
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:52:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Thought I'd just leave this here. As it implys. Berserker007 wrote:Imperfects arent good, we just have chuck norris on our side
(Sry i couldnt help it) I cant believe the chuck norris thread exploded that fast lol
Ya its already at like what? 3 pages.
Sooo funi too! |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:53:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:
Edit--I never played Wow but im pretty sure id get rolled in pvp against a vet if i loaded it up today.
You mean it separates players based on skill..yawn thats lame PVP.
The SANDBOX appeals and it grows in TIME, its not about the early cash grab its about the long term projection. That the difference b/w people who play chess and those who play checkers. Its about seeing the big picture and the results that occur in 6 months 12 months and 24 months from now.
Dust can maintain viability on the backs of EVE subscriptions until it gets big. It may **** of EVE players as they feel thats resources that should be going to EVE. But you cant expand a business or a universe without capital and that capital often comes from within and means diverting it from other projects, but the short term reduction in funding is designed to INCREASE long term funds for the whole system, in this case EVE and Dust. But im really done trying to explain basic business modeling and marketing strategies.
You dont have to agree with it, not everyone is capable of vision.
Ive said it before CCP needs to get a move on with the FW and securities zone along with the economy(metagame stuff) that will kill this game far quicker than how player are being matched in pubstomps.
There is open world PvP in contested areas were regardless of level or gear there is PvP. And then there are the battlegrounds in which you play for the best loot which is based upon level, item level and skill to match up between teams.
I am looking at it from the bigger picture. Even with funneling money from EvE how can they justify to keep the servers open if no one plays because of the bad experiences?
Friend A: Man I just saw that Dust 514 came out, it looks pretty awesome maybe we should check it out. Beta Player: Nah man that game was terrible, I played the Beta and it was just a bunch of experienced players and you didn't have a chance. Friend A: Wow that sucks Beta Player: Yeah tell me about so I stopped playing it and just went back to CoD. Friend A: Alright lets do that.
Later...
Friend B: Did you see this game called Dust 514? Friend A: Yeah our other friend told me about it, said it was pretty bad. We just played something else. Friend B: That's a shame it looked really good. Oh well no harm lost it was a free game.
And that cycle can continue and continue and continue. Word of mouth is a powerful tool and with social media and self important bloggers they can make or break a game. If you ruin the play experience of new customers early in the games release you will not retain them. Companies look at retention rates. Poor retention rates me something is seriously wrong and needs to be corrected. But by then is it worth correcting since most of the players left and getting them back will be very difficult. But your core players are still around and they like it. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
487
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:57:00 -
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I'm sorry i just have to quote this into this thread
undeadsoldier90 wrote:The imperfects are like herpes.... you think they are gone but they come back more inflamed and angry than before...
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
286
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Posted - 2013.03.04 02:14:00 -
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*generic compliment to the Imperfects for shameless likes* |
Veritas Vitae
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
37
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Posted - 2013.03.04 03:58:00 -
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@Fraceska: Dust514 is hosted on the same servers as EVE, so there isn't exactly an "additional cost" in terms of servers between the two games. The only cost CCP incurs is development costs for new content, updates, and fixes. |
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iLLMaTiC619
KiLo.
22
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Posted - 2013.03.04 04:07:00 -
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Also they still need to work out the kinks in matchmaking regarding balancing out teams. I still see too many lopsided matches. It's either me and a bunch of name-brand players going up against a full team of newberries, or I am on the team of newberries vs all the experienced players. [/quote]
^^^^^ this is what they need, put more balanced skilled players and each team.. half the time you get paired with Vets and the other team is all new berries... |
KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
335
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Posted - 2013.03.04 04:10:00 -
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Veritas Vitae wrote:@Fraceska: Dust514 is hosted on the same servers as EVE, so there isn't exactly an "additional cost" in terms of servers between the two games. The only cost CCP incurs is development costs for new content, updates, and fixes. Not exactly true. They brought in a whole bunch of servers for DUST just before open beta. |
Veritas Vitae
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
37
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Posted - 2013.03.04 04:37:00 -
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But it is one integrated cluster, which is more of what my point was. They had some up-front expenses improving the cluster, but the cluster is what it is now, with or without Dust. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
251
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Posted - 2013.03.04 04:44:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I'm sorry i just have to quote this into this thread undeadsoldier90 wrote:The imperfects are like herpes.... you think they are gone but they come back more inflamed and angry than before...
now i'm come for you, yes youlotis guy |
Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
27
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Posted - 2013.03.04 05:27:00 -
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/yawns
All you bitches bleed......I don't see the big deal. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
830
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Posted - 2013.03.04 09:15:00 -
[136] - Quote
Moving from General Discussions to the War Room. |
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The legend345
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
81
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Posted - 2013.03.04 23:29:00 -
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x-Sasquatch-x wrote:I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating. The last one was me in a surya ^_^ |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
218
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:40:00 -
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STB player posting in a, lets moan about Imperfects, thread, and not actually moaning \o/
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Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
678
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:21:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:STB player posting in a, lets moan about Imperfects, thread, and not actually moaning \o/
We are recruiting for Impswarm, would you like to submit your application now or later?
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
218
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:47:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:STB player posting in a, lets moan about Imperfects, thread, and not actually moaning \o/
We are recruiting for Impswarm, would you like to submit your application now or later?
Ha you see i held back, thought id be nice, wasn't going to go there.... but noooo.... now you got me mentioning STB's open recruitment program, dedicated training, reward scheme, and amazing social gaming...
ah well i tried.
On subject, you frisky little Imp's use the tools given to you, just like any other corp would. Cant really see peoples problem... with this anyway
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DJINN Kujo
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
18
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:20:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I know the squad the OP is talking about. I went up against them myself. However we still won...it's not that hard Because DJINN puts on a good show. I always enjoy matches with you guys. I know we'll have to actually put out effort.
I always love seeing your tank, still dazzles me how quickly it moves, think you might need a anti Punisher module for those swarms lol
I personally enjoy playing skilled players; always a sense of excitement in the games. Honestly in my opinion I would take a whole team of skilled players on with one of my own squads and complete newberries just to get the experience in. As said in this thread already; the only way to get better is to play against players who are better than you, thus causing your magnitude of skill to supplement itself (probably lose a few shiny coins in the process, but totally worth it in my opinion.) |
Arton Corrino
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:42:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Fraceska wrote:The entire matchmaking system in this game needs a good revision. Without such a revision matches like that will drive new people (and even a few experienced people) away from the game. It needs either a Mercenary Mode where no squads are allowed until the game is formed so elite teams like that can't dominate a match. Or based upon meta-level.
This is the one topic I am not a fan of the "qq more" answer since it is a legitimate fault with the game design. Yeah, a no pre-formed squad option is a must, especially since 6 man squads are coming soon. Even when I run solo and there is 2 or 3 other decent players on my side, we dominate the heck out of the other team most of the time, and none of us are even communicating with eachother. We all do our own thing, and before you know it, steamroll. So with pre-formed squads of decent players that are communicating and trying to work as a team, it is even more devastating. Coupled with the new ambush spawning, it is even worse now. I say let those who squad up, play against other squads of players. Matches are much more fun that way anyway. Also they still need to work out the kinks in matchmaking regarding balancing out teams. I still see too many lopsided matches. It's either me and a bunch of name-brand players going up against a full team of newberries, or I am on the team of newberries vs all the experienced players.
Something does need to be done. I'm not sure exactly what happened while I was gone (about a week or so) but since I got back last week I can now tell if a match is going to be a curb stomp by us, or if we will barely take a single objective simply by looking at how the team is squaded up before we ever start. Havnen't read any patch notes, but from this thread, I'm guessing they changed the way matchmaking works and are reserving the squads for people already in corps. Right?
I'd say in the last week I've been in perhaps two close(and really fun) matches. The rest have been all one sided (either way) slaughters. I know sometimes I used to be shuffled in as a squad leader, and while I'm not that great, I could help give objectives to the newer guys. Now, I'm always in the "no squad" batch. Fine and all, but since they went to this new system I'm seeing a lot (and I mean a lot) more one sided curb stomps, and a lot more people dropping out of matches halfway through. I'm also joining a lot more matches where it seems one side had quit in mass than I ever was before. This can't be good for the long term health of a game. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
141
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Posted - 2013.03.06 14:10:00 -
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Dakarin...
i owe you a beer.
prolly the first time i've seen a parent say that. been saying it myself for years.
ever see the video "You Can Do Anything"? the snl skit.
perfectly describes this situation.
you can't balance player skill:
the problem lies between the chair and the controller not the console and the server.
Peace B |
letsroll1234
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
3
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:25:00 -
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I want themrunning proto cause it makes me a better player. I wil learn from my mistakes and get better. These guys are meaners and I get it. But when you play them and are able to kill-em-quick tou will really tear up the randoms. |
YourDeadAgain76
Red Star.
135
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:18:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:x-Sasquatch-x wrote:I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating. The imperfects are like herpes..... you think they are gone and then they come back more inflamed and nasty than before..... Just lol. +1
yeah +1 here 2 i may have tinkled a bit after reading that. |
Jathniel
G I A N T
78
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Posted - 2013.03.12 00:23:00 -
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lol... I think the Imps are simply doing what anyone else with that equipment and teamwork would do.
Admit it folks... If you had protogear and a good squad, you would pub-stomp your heart out to, and laugh and sing your way to the bank.
Don't hate on the Imps guys. They're just enjoying the game. Get strong and coordinated, and you can run against them too. lol
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XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
522
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Posted - 2013.03.12 16:45:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:x-Sasquatch-x wrote:I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating. The imperfects are like herpes..... you think they are gone and then they come back more inflamed and nasty than before.....
no we just like to own you two times in a row or 8 |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2318
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Posted - 2013.03.21 05:07:00 -
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TERMINALANCE wrote:Lol look at OP's other posts! this is a imperfect alt for sure.
pretty good troll imperfects. Its unbelievable how many people fell for it.
His only other post on the forums is for the new sp vote and saying how he was going to get his corp to make a bunch of alts for the vote.
god people walk up
Its a imperfect alt char epeen stroking. clear as day
This guy has it all figured out.
How did I ever miss this thread.lol |
GetShotUp
Arrogance.
98
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Posted - 2013.03.21 05:51:00 -
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They definitely do but I always try to stand my ground. When i get proto, I'm proto stomping too, **** it. |
bethany valvetino
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
30
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Posted - 2013.03.21 16:59:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:x-Sasquatch-x wrote:I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. But now I keep running into squads of them going proto gear and it is usually a quick match. I wish that the mechanics didn't put me into matches with organized squads. It is bad enough when I run into one of them running solo like Alldin Kane or Howdithattaste. But when I run into full squads of them with proto gear I might as well quit or wear free suits. I played on the same team with them and everyone of them went 14+ and 0 deaths. It was dead pool Krptix Doug ugly and I forget the last one. This is not hate this is just frustrating. We're not stomping you, We're teaching you to get better! Without a challenge no one can get guuuud.
I totally agree, I think it's kinda cool seeing proto's in public matches... if you kill them it's a nice thing, if you don't... well you get evem more determined to get your own... right?
Also, Challenge is where it's at.
I would say one thing.. and I'm not pointing this comment at your guys, but having shiny stuff, doesn't make you good. Killed a good few protos in teir 1 kit (not mil) and as a logisister, I make MAD points and isk from a pure militia fit suit. |
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