We been saying the complete opposite .... The cap from DS3 to a KB/M setup is very small.

And by the way, i do use a "Gamepad" for some PC games too... in fact all of them. My favorite setup is Gamepad left hand, mouse in the right hand.. I do that in all PC games.

I agree with OP. This all plays into the fact that SOME people within the PC community are PC elitists.

Ah yes the same people who think that dust will fail on consoles and that somehow putting it on the pc will make it instantly better and successful.

Ok before i post this and seem like a pc elitist I AM NOT
i prefer consoles almost always just for ease of access
(yes im lazy and pc usually requires more set up)
anyway to the actual post

I do think dust would have done better on the PC just because it's a different audience
Console gamers are generally a bit whinier and entitled.
if something isnt uber polished (or cod) they hate it

Pc gamers seem to be a bit more patience with slow paced games too
This game takes time to get into
a lot of people try it and don't get enough explosions and kills in the first 15 minutes and never try it again
just my opinion
(sorry for distracting from original conversation)

Said it plenty of times before say it again. Each has advantages and disadvantages. For the avg player they will see improvement in mouse with aim precision but are thrown off by the utter nonutility of kb control.

Which is why many use hybrid setups.

As far as precision with one vs the other, again for many at the top end it doesnt matter(many imps and other leet gamers use ds3)


But for the avg player yes you will see better results in aim over time with mouse;

Sorry that above statement isnt disputable; there are exception but you arent going to beat me on a debate about the physiological and anatomical capabilities of the thumb joint vs the combined actions of the wrist, elbow and shoulder joint. As well as fine and gross motor control differences in the thumb vs the claw grip.


Anyway long story short yes there are inherent anatomical, physical advantage that should make mouse play more precise but it can be overcome or limited, or gamepad can be enhanced.

This game has done a decent job of minimizing the differences, and have done it pretty well.

At the end of the day to each is own, and players who bring their own biases into the arguement without empiric evidence to back their claims need to STFU because i just facepalm and lol and then will troll relentlessly.


That said OP makes a good point and PC elitists need to also STFU and get used to the fact that you're in our backyard now, quit the QQ or GTFO.

So you tired to a use a KB+M for a short period of time and failed. Instead of mastering it, you when back to Game pad, and then concluded that their is no difference between the gamepad and KB+M.

Once again we have another forum FPS expert. Based on his one experience on one game, knows everything when it comes to KB+M vs DS3.

This OP further proves why these forums do more harm then good for new players.

Thank you

Lmao, the only reason KB/M players aren't completely and utterly dominating the gamepad players are for the below reasons,

1) The game is built for gamepads. Turnspeeds are slow, try playing Quake 2 competitively on a gamepad, lmao.

2) Good aim isn't that important in the game. Headshots don't have anywhere near the same importance and gameplay on the whole is much slower with engagements often taking place across greater distances where you do not need quick reflexes or large quick adjustments of your aim.

3) Infantry play is only a part of the game.

4) With high amounts of SP and a little isk investment you can have a considerable advantage over other players, big enough to compensate for your lack of accuracy

5) KB/M players are only a portion of the population, you can feed off other gamepad players and feel that you're doing good.

Anyone who says gamepad is equal or better than M/KB for FPS gameplay is just flat out wrong however.

You are not very clever...
I said i enjoyed playing PC games then used one anecdote to describe a situation that related
im sooooo sorry i didn't post my entire gaming history for you.
I have played everything from doom to bf3 on KB/M
I just prefer to use DS3 when possible

next time how about ya think bud

thank you

So it seems a lot of people from PC are under the impression that KB/M is far superior to DS3
This is simply not true

In response to the whole "wrist and shoulder vs thumb" thing
I personally find my aim ruined using KB/M precisely for the reason of having to control more muscles.
I am a jittery person in general
and while gaming i am hyped up on caffine most of the time
so im usually shaking slightly
while using KB/M i always over shoot the aim or while i have my hand on the mouse it moves all over the place
so i PERSONALLY find it easier to control just my thumb over every dang muscle in my arm
also i find it much more relaxing to just chill with my controller on my couch rather than have to pull up a table to my tv to use all that on

again though just my opinion and everyone should use what works best
just pointing out that your precision aiming mouse thing isn't "indisputable"
because while you may have more control of your arm
some of use do not
meaning that not everyone will find it easier to aim

If you can't not understand the difference between the two, and the advantages KB+M has over Gamepad then I'm not gonna waste my breath.

My problem with you, is that you believe your personal preference is fact. In your OP you argue this,



then you go on justify this by saying how much better you're with a Gamepad.

Like I said Im done wasting my time, there is a clear advantages for a KB+M over gamepad. if you can't understand it then maybe you should do some research rather then your argue with just your personal opinion.

Lmao, the only reason KB/M players aren't completely and utterly dominating the gamepad players are for the below reasons,

2) Good aim isn't that important in the game. Headshots don't have anywhere near the same importance and gameplay on the whole is much slower with engagements often taking place across greater distances where you do not need quick reflexes or large quick adjustments of your aim.

While YOU may do better using KB/M
this is not "the way FPS are meant to be played"

I agree with OP. This all plays into the fact that SOME people within the PC community are PC elitists.

Incorrect, the first FPS shooters ever made were on PC and we were playing Castle Wolfenstein, Quake, Duke Nuken etc. with a mouse and keyboard in the early 1980's. I was playing the first shooters with a mouse and KB when a lot of gamers were not even born or in diapers and SONY was cranking out cassette players called the walkman and were over a decade from getting into the gaming market.

its called evolution
things change

Change for change sake is not necessarily progress. Just because it's new does not make it better. I shave with a straight razor, now compare that with the "evolutionary" mach 3 disposable trash. New is not always better. Just because it's old does not make it bad.

Change for change sake is not necessarily progress. Just because it's new does not make it better. I shave with a straight razor, now compare that with the "evolutionary" mach 3 disposable trash. New is not always better. Just because it's old does not make it bad.

ROFL to anyone with a mind
this is a prime example of the person this thread is about
it is just foolish to think KB/M is superior
IT IS WHICHEVER YOU PREFER
neither is better

this thread isn't about me saying keyboards are bad
its about people saying it is the only way

DS3 is just as effective as keyboard in right hands

no one can deny that

lol i love these threads i get accused of being a kb/m player and i use controller but i dont see mutch dif when you get good ive been told kb/m is better then controller but i just cant do with a kb/m what i can with a controller maybe i need to spend more time on kb/m but i just dont like it and pro lvl isnt mutch dif on kb/m vs controller watch some vids

Fact of the matter is, all the trashtalk about controller being 'equal' is just ignorance speaking. Turn off aim assistance in options, then to play against KB/M users in this game. Mouse users do not need any assistance, and actually have a limiter (which DPI adjustable mice can bypass somewhat) that makes it harder to turn. Make a video of controllers without aim assistance and post it here, if you actually manage to get more than one or two kills with an assault rifle or shotgun with it off, I will give you 5 million ISK once trade is put in.

No, that isn't a joke.

after reading through all the post of this topic i see a trend

while almost all people using KB/M talk Sh*t about us NOT ONCE did we provoke anything from them

rofl...
a) i dont use aim assist took that crap off right away it feels clunky and forced
b) believe me i get plenty more than 1 or 2 kills and would love to post a video of i had the gear to do it
c) you really think i want your 5 mil? you can keep your chump change bud
and no that is not a joke
d) the hell are you talking about trash talk? trash talk generally means im trying to insult someone or put someone down
I AM SAYING YOU CAN AND SHOULD USE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU HOW IN GODS NAME IS THAT IGNORANCE???!!!!!!

I'd be happy to duel you one day, once that is put in :)

The adding of the keyboard and mouse was a mistake that was added in fear of losing its Eve players.

It really comes down to everyone hates the 3 controller types of Dust514 , but only two are required for release since its a PS3 exclusive. The adding of the keyboard and mouse was a mistake that was added in fear of losing its Eve players. As I have said before as long as their is a shadow of a doubt of the kb/m being better there is a problem with Dust514. The fact that these threads have been around for over 7 months shows their is more than a shadow of doubt that works against Dust.

Hello dusters
So it seems a lot of people from PC are under the impression that KB/M is far superior to DS3
This is simply not true
While YOU may do better using KB/M
this is not "the way FPS are meant to be played"
While i totally respect your opinion and encourage you to use the gear that you do well with some find the mouse to be cumbersome and inaccurate.
I enjoy playing PC games
I played a lot of Planetside 2
I hated using KB/M and after a few weeks of failing miserably i downloaded some software that allowed me to use my DS3 on Planetside.
Instant improvement
I started shooting more on target, and got far more kills.
While you personally may find it easier to play with KB/M
that doesnt mean that anyone not using it is instantly worse than you.

Hello dusters
So it seems a lot of people from PC are under the impression that KB/M is far superior to DS3
This is simply not true
While YOU may do better using KB/M
this is not "the way FPS are meant to be played"
While i totally respect your opinion and encourage you to use the gear that you do well with some find the mouse to be cumbersome and inaccurate.
I enjoy playing PC games
I played a lot of Planetside 2
I hated using KB/M and after a few weeks of failing miserably i downloaded some software that allowed me to use my DS3 on Planetside.
Instant improvement
I started shooting more on target, and got far more kills.
While you personally may find it easier to play with KB/M
that doesnt mean that anyone not using it is instantly worse than you.

most pc players try the controller for five minutes and then throw it down claiming it's impossible, they don't put in the practice it requires. if they want to play KBM then fine but they need to stop thinking they speak for everyone, just because they sucked at their time with DS3 doesn't automatically mean everyone else does.

We been saying the complete opposite .... The cap from DS3 to a KB/M setup is very small.

And by the way, i do use a "Gamepad" for some PC games too... in fact all of them. My favorite setup is Gamepad left hand, mouse in the right hand.. I do that in all PC games.

This is not true, DUST is not aimed at EVE players. DUST is CCP getting into a new market. I assure you the EVE playerbase did not rush to buy their first console ever to play a shooter.