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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:

zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:

Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:

Fact of the matter is, all the trashtalk about controller being 'equal' is just ignorance speaking. Turn off aim assistance in options, then to play against KB/M users in this game. Mouse users do not need any assistance, and actually have a limiter (which DPI adjustable mice can bypass somewhat) that makes it harder to turn. Make a video of controllers without aim assistance and post it here, if you actually manage to get more than one or two kills with an assault rifle or shotgun with it off, I will give you 5 million ISK once trade is put in.

No, that isn't a joke.

rofl...
a) i dont use aim assist took that crap off right away it feels clunky and forced
b) believe me i get plenty more than 1 or 2 kills and would love to post a video of i had the gear to do it
c) you really think i want your 5 mil? you can keep your chump change bud
and no that is not a joke
d) the hell are you talking about trash talk? trash talk generally means im trying to insult someone or put someone down
I AM SAYING YOU CAN AND SHOULD USE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU HOW IN GODS NAME IS THAT IGNORANCE???!!!!!!

I'd be happy to duel you one day, once that is put in :)

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One Nip The Alpha and the Omega Zombie Ninja Space Bears 0	Posted - 2013.03.03 07:18:00 - [31] - Quote lol i love these threads i get accused of being a kb/m player and i use controller but i dont see mutch dif when you get good ive been told kb/m is better then controller but i just cant do with a kb/m what i can with a controller maybe i need to spend more time on kb/m but i just dont like it and pro lvl isnt mutch dif on kb/m vs controller watch some vids
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 169	Posted - 2013.03.03 08:54:00 - [32] - Quote One Nip wrote: lol i love these threads i get accused of being a kb/m player and i use controller but i dont see mutch dif when you get good ive been told kb/m is better then controller but i just cant do with a kb/m what i can with a controller maybe i need to spend more time on kb/m but i just dont like it and pro lvl isnt mutch dif on kb/m vs controller watch some vids This is exactly what i have been trying to tell them but everyone seems to be too dense to realize that some people are not as good with kb/m as with controller and it isnt always from lack of use either i have played pc games for years many fps far cry 1 deus ex half life doom battlefield many more... and the truth is i much prefer to just sit down with a controller not have to worry about desk/table or the position of my arm and just game i do far better you can not tell me which is right because there simply is no right or wrong. My guess... you all tried controller and got destroyed first time using it decided it was bad and moved on
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 324	Posted - 2013.03.03 08:56:00 - [33] - Quote Good point OP. The method of controlling is nothing compared to ones skill with that method.
Angus McBeanie Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 0	Posted - 2013.03.03 09:05:00 - [34] - Quote If you cant play at all with a controller, then you're utterly shite. Tired of the bullshit with it oh its hard with a controller, give me kb/m, Ohh make kb/m better n all that shite. I was a fps gamer on PC for several yes, played in cups and clanbase and yes that was with KB/M. The amount of time I spent shooting people with a KB/M well, lets just say ALOT. Bought a ps3 just to play Dust 514, the last playstation I had, was the playstation 1 and that was what 11-12 years ago. So you can say I was not used to controllers at all, when I came back to dust. Eventhough it took me some time to get used to shooting with a controller, I must give myself, that I do kill and dont do utterly **** all day everyday and I'm confident I'll get better with time, as will everyone who just keep trying. And before someone say, but I'm in MMO player on PC, then bugger off. Played MMO's for 5 years on PC aswell, actually the last years alot more of that, than FPS. But this all boils to, that it's only simple logi bro's opinion, adios for now.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 36	Posted - 2013.03.03 09:17:00 - [35] - Quote Fact of the matter is, all the trashtalk about controller being 'equal' is just ignorance speaking. Turn off aim assistance in options, then to play against KB/M users in this game. Mouse users do not need any assistance, and actually have a limiter (which DPI adjustable mice can bypass somewhat) that makes it harder to turn. Make a video of controllers without aim assistance and post it here, if you actually manage to get more than one or two kills with an assault rifle or shotgun with it off, I will give you 5 million ISK once trade is put in. No, that isn't a joke.
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 170	Posted - 2013.03.03 09:22:00 - [36] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Fact of the matter is, all the trashtalk about controller being 'equal' is just ignorance speaking. Turn off aim assistance in options, then to play against KB/M users in this game. Mouse users do not need any assistance, and actually have a limiter (which DPI adjustable mice can bypass somewhat) that makes it harder to turn. Make a video of controllers without aim assistance and post it here, if you actually manage to get more than one or two kills with an assault rifle or shotgun with it off, I will give you 5 million ISK once trade is put in. No, that isn't a joke. rofl... a) i dont use aim assist took that crap off right away it feels clunky and forced b) believe me i get plenty more than 1 or 2 kills and would love to post a video of i had the gear to do it c) you really think i want your 5 mil? you can keep your chump change bud and no that is not a joke d) the hell are you talking about trash talk? trash talk generally means im trying to insult someone or put someone down I AM SAYING YOU CAN AND SHOULD USE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU HOW IN GODS NAME IS THAT IGNORANCE???!!!!!!
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 485	Posted - 2013.03.03 09:48:00 - [37] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: after reading through all the post of this topic i see a trend while almost all people using KB/M talk Sh*t about us NOT ONCE did we provoke anything from them This entire thread was designed to provoke, and if you are noticing a trend of hostility from KB/M users its because the DS3 users are constantly crying nerf KB/M or worse asking for them to be removed altogether. Its not going to happen stop whining for it.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 36	Posted - 2013.03.03 09:54:00 - [38] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Fact of the matter is, all the trashtalk about controller being 'equal' is just ignorance speaking. Turn off aim assistance in options, then to play against KB/M users in this game. Mouse users do not need any assistance, and actually have a limiter (which DPI adjustable mice can bypass somewhat) that makes it harder to turn. Make a video of controllers without aim assistance and post it here, if you actually manage to get more than one or two kills with an assault rifle or shotgun with it off, I will give you 5 million ISK once trade is put in. No, that isn't a joke. rofl... a) i dont use aim assist took that crap off right away it feels clunky and forced b) believe me i get plenty more than 1 or 2 kills and would love to post a video of i had the gear to do it c) you really think i want your 5 mil? you can keep your chump change bud and no that is not a joke d) the hell are you talking about trash talk? trash talk generally means im trying to insult someone or put someone down I AM SAYING YOU CAN AND SHOULD USE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU HOW IN GODS NAME IS THAT IGNORANCE???!!!!!! I'd be happy to duel you one day, once that is put in :)
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 171	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:29:00 - [39] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Fact of the matter is, all the trashtalk about controller being 'equal' is just ignorance speaking. Turn off aim assistance in options, then to play against KB/M users in this game. Mouse users do not need any assistance, and actually have a limiter (which DPI adjustable mice can bypass somewhat) that makes it harder to turn. Make a video of controllers without aim assistance and post it here, if you actually manage to get more than one or two kills with an assault rifle or shotgun with it off, I will give you 5 million ISK once trade is put in. No, that isn't a joke. rofl... a) i dont use aim assist took that crap off right away it feels clunky and forced b) believe me i get plenty more than 1 or 2 kills and would love to post a video of i had the gear to do it c) you really think i want your 5 mil? you can keep your chump change bud and no that is not a joke d) the hell are you talking about trash talk? trash talk generally means im trying to insult someone or put someone down I AM SAYING YOU CAN AND SHOULD USE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU HOW IN GODS NAME IS THAT IGNORANCE???!!!!!! I'd be happy to duel you one day, once that is put in :) bring it but i hardly see how that is relevant lol I make a thread stating that people should play the game with the set up they feel is best and people want to kill me what a fine community we have
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 171	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:33:00 - [40] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=592414#post592414 Point proven lol

Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 167	Posted - 2013.03.03 15:11:00 - [41] - Quote It really comes down to everyone hates the 3 controller types of Dust514 , but only two are required for release since its a PS3 exclusive. The adding of the keyboard and mouse was a mistake that was added in fear of losing its Eve players. As I have said before as long as their is a shadow of a doubt of the kb/m being better there is a problem with Dust514. The fact that these threads have been around for over 7 months shows their is more than a shadow of doubt that works against Dust.
Unrussled Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.03.03 16:32:00 - [42] - Quote Crm234 wrote: The adding of the keyboard and mouse was a mistake that was added in fear of losing its Eve players. This is not true, DUST is not aimed at EVE players. DUST is CCP getting into a new market. I assure you the EVE playerbase did not rush to buy their first console ever to play a shooter.
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 172	Posted - 2013.03.03 20:18:00 - [43] - Quote Crm234 wrote: It really comes down to everyone hates the 3 controller types of Dust514 , but only two are required for release since its a PS3 exclusive. The adding of the keyboard and mouse was a mistake that was added in fear of losing its Eve players. As I have said before as long as their is a shadow of a doubt of the kb/m being better there is a problem with Dust514. The fact that these threads have been around for over 7 months shows their is more than a shadow of doubt that works against Dust. i actually like that people can choose their favored control scheme i just hate the statements claiming "omg my way is bestest"
Monkxx Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 24	Posted - 2013.03.03 20:32:00 - [44] - Quote Instead of flooding the forums with the same threads over and over you'd better try it on practice with similar skilled alts. I think recording such footage would solve the problem with people shouting that KB/M is OP. KB/M is not OP. The movements, speed and turning speed are so slow in this game. Sometimes, I even don't believe that the guy managed to run cirles next to me faster than I was turning my gun. I can't hit the guy with shotgun just because the gun movement is not as responsive as it is in Counter Strike or any other damn PC game. So stop QQing. "Best players in Dust514 play with DS3."(c)dust514.com
Thurak Mirunas BetaMax. 13	Posted - 2013.03.03 21:14:00 - [45] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Hello dusters So it seems a lot of people from PC are under the impression that KB/M is far superior to DS3 This is simply not true While YOU may do better using KB/M this is not "the way FPS are meant to be played" While i totally respect your opinion and encourage you to use the gear that you do well with some find the mouse to be cumbersome and inaccurate. I enjoy playing PC games I played a lot of Planetside 2 I hated using KB/M and after a few weeks of failing miserably i downloaded some software that allowed me to use my DS3 on Planetside. Instant improvement I started shooting more on target, and got far more kills. While you personally may find it easier to play with KB/M that doesnt mean that anyone not using it is instantly worse than you. ok, m/kb IS better than controller, however, if you have used controller for a long time and haven't used m/kb then you will most likely be better with the controller - really just use what you want, whats the problem :)
Citrutex The High and Mighty 74	Posted - 2013.03.03 21:43:00 - [46] - Quote The one and only reason KB/M is not clearly superior is due to the low and fluxuating framerates. Give us a solid 60fps and "pc elitists" will prove it. Infact, we already have http://kotaku.com/5593259/rumor-microsoft-killed-plans-for-pc-vs-xbox-360-online-play
Rei Shepard Spectre II 82	Posted - 2013.03.03 22:53:00 - [47] - Quote Quote: Hello dusters So it seems a lot of people from PC are under the impression that KB/M is far superior to DS3 This is simply not true While YOU may do better using KB/M this is not "the way FPS are meant to be played" While i totally respect your opinion and encourage you to use the gear that you do well with some find the mouse to be cumbersome and inaccurate. I enjoy playing PC games I played a lot of Planetside 2 I hated using KB/M and after a few weeks of failing miserably i downloaded some software that allowed me to use my DS3 on Planetside. Instant improvement I started shooting more on target, and got far more kills. While you personally may find it easier to play with KB/M that doesnt mean that anyone not using it is instantly worse than you. FPS games were born with KB/M setup, when we were kids a console could not run an FPS like Quake or Half life properly and there were no Console LAN game weekends to go up against each other in counterstrike, nor where there any proper gamepads for pc. Consoles did not have any internet connectivity until Sega's Dreamcast console and then it took until the PS3 to get broadband support. So basically since Xbox & PS3 came out there were no shooter games on console at all. And while you kids grew up with a gamepad making it second nature to you guys, we grew up with a mouse & keyboard making it second nature to us. Sobriety Denied wrote: most pc players try the controller for five minutes and then throw it down claiming it's impossible, they don't put in the practice it requires. if they want to play KBM then fine but they need to stop thinking they speak for everyone, just because they sucked at their time with DS3 doesn't automatically mean everyone else does. Same can be said of you guys, you pick up a KB/M setup and claim its impossible, while you forget we have been using it for the past 20 years, its not something you can just step away from pick up a controller and go at it. KB/M has every right to be here because its an FPS, just like the controller because its a console and btw the new PS4 uses a PC infrastructure so basically its a PC with a gamepad. Just use what yer good at and if you are truly good it doesn't matter what controller input you use, if you suck at FPS games, no matter what you use, it won't be good enough. I stepped out of FPS games for 10 years, took me at least 3 months to get any sort of awareness back, if you have never played FPS games, its gonna be a rough ride
Himiko Kuronaga Greatness Achieved Through Training 7	Posted - 2013.03.04 10:17:00 - [48] - Quote A controller master will beat a KB/M novice. A KB/M master will beat a controller novice. A KB/M master will beat a controller master. The range of movement and control your entire wrist gives you is greater than the range of movement your thumb is capable of. This is a scientific fact. These are not equal tools, and at the highest level of skill they will not be equal opponents.
bcs1a River-Rats Mercenaries 0	Posted - 2013.03.04 20:01:00 - [49] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: We been saying the complete opposite .... The cap from DS3 to a KB/M setup is very small. And by the way, i do use a "Gamepad" for some PC games too... in fact all of them. My favorite setup is Gamepad left hand, mouse in the right hand.. I do that in all PC games. Well, as an EvE player, and with Dust being the only console game I play, i pretty much suck at using the game-pad alone, then let's add that I'm 52 and have the reflexes of a hibernating turtle swimming in molasses and.... well, you get the picture? I do however find that the mouse in my right hand on the desk and the controller sitting propped up on the desk under my left hand gives me way better control and accuracy than I get with just the controller. and I actually do some right pad things by reaching my finger across from the left side while using my palm to guide my movements. I'm not silly enough, or naive enough to think that I'm the only one who's ever come up with this compromise between controllers, but i do admire someone with the skill to take that controller in hand and do everything as easily as they do.
bcs1a River-Rats Mercenaries 0	Posted - 2013.03.04 20:17:00 - [50] - Quote Unrussled wrote: Crm234 wrote: The adding of the keyboard and mouse was a mistake that was added in fear of losing its Eve players. This is not true, DUST is not aimed at EVE players. DUST is CCP getting into a new market. I assure you the EVE playerbase did not rush to buy their first console ever to play a shooter. I couldn't agree more, Dust was CCP's venture into a new frontier in gaming, not an expansion of their existing 10 year young MMO (there is a difference) I did however go and buy 2 PS3s, one for my son and one for me because we play EvE together and now, we play Dust together too if we want to. Granted, I'm the exception, not the rule, I wholeheartedly agree that CCP did not do anything in "Dust" to placate "EvE" players in any way, shape or form aside from allowing us into the beta early-ish and to think that it is any other way is to delude yourself.



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