DUST Search - Message to PC players

zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:

Gunner Nightingale wrote:

Said it plenty of times before say it again. Each has advantages and disadvantages. For the avg player they will see improvement in mouse with aim precision but are thrown off by the utter nonutility of kb control.

Which is why many use hybrid setups.

As far as precision with one vs the other, again for many at the top end it doesnt matter(many imps and other leet gamers use ds3)

But for the avg player yes you will see better results in aim over time with mouse;

Sorry that above statement isnt disputable; there are exception but you arent going to beat me on a debate about the physiological and anatomical capabilities of the thumb joint vs the combined actions of the wrist, elbow and shoulder joint. As well as fine and gross motor control differences in the thumb vs the claw grip.

Anyway long story short yes there are inherent anatomical, physical advantage that should make mouse play more precise but it can be overcome or limited, or gamepad can be enhanced.

This game has done a decent job of minimizing the differences, and have done it pretty well.

At the end of the day to each is own, and players who bring their own biases into the arguement without empiric evidence to back their claims need to STFU because i just facepalm and lol and then will troll relentlessly.

That said OP makes a good point and PC elitists need to also STFU and get used to the fact that you're in our backyard now, quit the QQ or GTFO.

In response to the whole "wrist and shoulder vs thumb" thing
I personally find my aim ruined using KB/M precisely for the reason of having to control more muscles.
I am a jittery person in general
and while gaming i am hyped up on caffine most of the time
so im usually shaking slightly
while using KB/M i always over shoot the aim or while i have my hand on the mouse it moves all over the place
so i PERSONALLY find it easier to control just my thumb over every dang muscle in my arm
also i find it much more relaxing to just chill with my controller on my couch rather than have to pull up a table to my tv to use all that on

again though just my opinion and everyone should use what works best
just pointing out that your precision aiming mouse thing isn't "indisputable"
because while you may have more control of your arm
some of use do not
meaning that not everyone will find it easier to aim


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Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 275	Posted - 2013.03.02 20:39:00 - [1] - Quote Said it plenty of times before say it again. Each has advantages and disadvantages. For the avg player they will see improvement in mouse with aim precision but are thrown off by the utter nonutility of kb control. Which is why many use hybrid setups. As far as precision with one vs the other, again for many at the top end it doesnt matter(many imps and other leet gamers use ds3) But for the avg player yes you will see better results in aim over time with mouse; Sorry that above statement isnt disputable; there are exception but you arent going to beat me on a debate about the physiological and anatomical capabilities of the thumb joint vs the combined actions of the wrist, elbow and shoulder joint. As well as fine and gross motor control differences in the thumb vs the claw grip. Anyway long story short yes there are inherent anatomical, physical advantage that should make mouse play more precise but it can be overcome or limited, or gamepad can be enhanced. This game has done a decent job of minimizing the differences, and have done it pretty well. At the end of the day to each is own, and players who bring their own biases into the arguement without empiric evidence to back their claims need to STFU because i just facepalm and lol and then will troll relentlessly. That said OP makes a good point and PC elitists need to also STFU and get used to the fact that you're in our backyard now, quit the QQ or GTFO.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 275	Posted - 2013.03.02 20:43:00 - [2] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: gbghg wrote: Xavi Italia wrote: I agree with OP. This all plays into the fact that SOME people within the PC community are PC elitists. Ah yes the same people who think that dust will fail on consoles and that somehow putting it on the pc will make it instantly better and successful. Ok before i post this and seem like a pc elitist I AM NOT i prefer consoles almost always just for ease of access (yes im lazy and pc usually requires more set up) anyway to the actual post I do think dust would have done better on the PC just because it's a different audience Console gamers are generally a bit whinier and entitled. if something isnt uber polished (or cod) they hate it Pc gamers seem to be a bit more patience with slow paced games too This game takes time to get into a lot of people try it and don't get enough explosions and kills in the first 15 minutes and never try it again just my opinion (sorry for distracting from original conversation) Totally disagree in many games i play its the PC elitist who are the most snobish and rudest of the bunch. Their arrogance is only surpassed by their entiltlement to receive first class service given how much they spend to create their illustrious gaming setups and have no qualms bragging about it to consolers and laughing at us about our Framerate, display, overall functionality etc. Moreover they act as if they are the timelords reborn and expect everything to be catered to them first and are irritated they get put on the back seat because well so many of their kind ruined it with hacks, mods, and torrents.(granted not even a real fraction is like this but just enough bad apples to soil the whole community).
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 276	Posted - 2013.03.02 21:36:00 - [3] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: Gunner Nightingale wrote: Said it plenty of times before say it again. Each has advantages and disadvantages. For the avg player they will see improvement in mouse with aim precision but are thrown off by the utter nonutility of kb control. Which is why many use hybrid setups. As far as precision with one vs the other, again for many at the top end it doesnt matter(many imps and other leet gamers use ds3) But for the avg player yes you will see better results in aim over time with mouse; Sorry that above statement isnt disputable; there are exception but you arent going to beat me on a debate about the physiological and anatomical capabilities of the thumb joint vs the combined actions of the wrist, elbow and shoulder joint. As well as fine and gross motor control differences in the thumb vs the claw grip. Anyway long story short yes there are inherent anatomical, physical advantage that should make mouse play more precise but it can be overcome or limited, or gamepad can be enhanced. This game has done a decent job of minimizing the differences, and have done it pretty well. At the end of the day to each is own, and players who bring their own biases into the arguement without empiric evidence to back their claims need to STFU because i just facepalm and lol and then will troll relentlessly. That said OP makes a good point and PC elitists need to also STFU and get used to the fact that you're in our backyard now, quit the QQ or GTFO. In response to the whole "wrist and shoulder vs thumb" thing I personally find my aim ruined using KB/M precisely for the reason of having to control more muscles. I am a jittery person in general and while gaming i am hyped up on caffine most of the time so im usually shaking slightly while using KB/M i always over shoot the aim or while i have my hand on the mouse it moves all over the place so i PERSONALLY find it easier to control just my thumb over every dang muscle in my arm also i find it much more relaxing to just chill with my controller on my couch rather than have to pull up a table to my tv to use all that on again though just my opinion and everyone should use what works best just pointing out that your precision aiming mouse thing isn't "indisputable" because while you may have more control of your arm some of use do not meaning that not everyone will find it easier to aim Agreed but caffeine would have more effect on twitch and fine control over gross movements, but it sounds like you need to stablize your joints better. I play on a cough but even on desktop posture is the most important thing. What you want is back firm against something. If you hold your arm out completely so all joints are straight lay down your arm such as the the elbow bent slight outward and the wrist faces unbent. Most end up having their wrist bent at a 45* angle which causes massive RSI. Basically thats the join you want to point neutral such that your index points forward with no kink in your writ. Then stablize you shoulder against the back of your chair/couch use a rolled up towel or sheet for your forearm/wrist to rest on and create an incline for you forearm the basic way it would like is / \ the fisrt part being your forearm as your elbow is fixed to the couch cushion/desk and the second part is your wrist which hangs. But it should be a down angle rather straight as you should use a book to raise the height of your mouse relative to your forearm support. With this you can now game comfortably for hours and maintain stable joints that will not become prone to stress injury.