Thing is, people spec into tanks because our first objective In every game is to win. AV is so situational, the SP put into it could easily be placed in other areas to keep you alive against a scout, and out DPS an assault. People with 500k SP simply will not start the game thinking "hey. I'm going to give up shotguns, mass drivers, assault rifles, heavy machine guns, tanks, dropships, snipers, lasers, and everything else that makes the game worthwhile playing in the majority of scenarios to specialise in anti-vehicle weapons, which are extremely situational and make me as easy to kill as a snail without a shell against a merc with half my SP who has speced into assault rifles."

No. Currently the best tanks are run by those who've used the 100k SP from closed beta, the week head start, the experience from closed beta and that event where vehicles were cheap, passive and active boosters, all on their rolling death machine.

Those who've specialised into AV simply cannot just overlook everything else. Swarm launchers will need a scout or assault build to earn them ISK. Heavies too, need to specialise into other skills to keep them alive, now that more and more people understand how to frustrate a fatty.

I understand that tankers do not always run tanks. But given the above bonuses, they don't need to specialise into anything else.

I play with only the starter fits sometimes, when I'm running solo or even in a squad without a heavy to support. I still can go positive. I still kill people with advanced gear. And when I see that golden opportunity to whip out my dropship, I pilot it in militia gear, having never broken into my expensive suits all game. And it rocks.

These opportunities, at the current state of the game, appear more frequently for tanks, and the danger is less, I'd presume, if your tank is speced into as far as my dropship, and I haven't even used sp boosters, ever.

So until heavy aircraft come out with giant incendiary bombs that turn your tanks into molten steel, have fun ruling the ground. The sky is where it's at.

well tbh theirs 7 paragraphs there XD
paragraph1 is sorta true.

Whining about not being able to take down high-end tanks with Standard AV nades (yes, they're Packed, but that's still Standard) on your own? Not to mention they were shield tanks and you were using an anti-armor weapon...

Skill into proper AV or team-up.

ITT: "I can't kill three people who are working together by myself with low quality equipment! UNFAIR! Nerf teamwork!"

ITT: "I can't kill three people who are working together by myself with low quality equipment! UNFAIR! Nerf teamwork!"

with 3 tanks on the field youre actually fighting up to 9 people.

a L3 forge with 2 dmg mods does about 10% dmg to a decent gunlogi, good luck getting 10 shots on one, as youll need even more to prevent him repping it.

put 3 on the table and you basically need a full squad of well specced AV plus at least one full squad of support troops to stop the av getting toasted. the av has to have LOS on the target yet not get shot by any of the 3 tanks or the infantry.

the skill and coordination to do this is far greater than that needed to cruise around nuking red dots with your tank buddies, hiding when your 8 k of shield goes below 66%

yeh they seem like pathetic cowards and make that match a miserable farce but theyve spent their millions of SP getting there and their millions of ISK on HAVs precisely so they can reap this reward (and our tears). thats just the way they roll.

This argument is bull****. Youre almos NEVER going to be in a match where 2 or 3 random players have skilled into proto forge then, even IF this occurs, you are suggesting that they all just happen to be standing in the same place like they are gathered around the campfire waiting for the Sagaris Soul Train to come rolling past. What version of dust are you playing?!

We are too far along skill point wise for forge guns alone to be a successfull counter against teams fielding multiple tanks. HAV fittings are getting better and better every day.

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ITT: "I can't kill three people who are working together by myself with low quality equipment! UNFAIR! Nerf teamwork!"