Not gonna lie, I was laughing most of the time due to the ridiculousness of the match I just played. But in retrospect, it is a massive game-breaking thing to witness.

3 sagris/gun-logi tanks on the bowl map in regular Ambush, sported by WTF and Seraphim. All rolling as a tight knit group (like a pack IMPs in a pub match). I brought all the packed AV nades I could, but it did absolutely nothing to these tanks. At best it got them to back off a tiny bit, but even after lobbing 4-8 packed AV's as a single tank as concentrated AV, it still did relatively nothing to them. And even if it did, they were a train of tanks, one right after the other (literally).

Something has to be done about this, either by map restrictions that limit the amount of vehicles based on the map size/type/etc (for example, bowl map would only be allowed ONE tank at a time), or flat out vehicle/tank-free ambush matches.

It is downright cowardly to do this, tanks are the only thing in this game that are 95% guaranteed to win based on how much Sp/ISK you put into them. The same cannot be said about prototype anything/everything for infantry suits, as they can easily die by full blown militia gear.

Tanks need to be removed from ambush and better AV weapons need to be available such as direct fire weapons for assault class. Also rail turrets and supply depots do not need to be destroyable. Tanks take out supply depots and turets before you can even hack them. If this is how they want DUST to be then it will lose its infantry player.

The real problem is map size. 3-4 tanks in Ambush can basically cover the entire battlefield, effortlessly shutting down all red RDV deliveries and routing any red blobs before they can set up a proper AV response.

I had some free time this morning, so I decided to check your math.

Using a standard blaster and standard small missile turrets (they're the cheapest, PG and CPU wise) I was able to construct a HAV with 12k eHP. This is the absolute peak I was able to get, eHP wise. It had no shield booster.

If I fit a shield booster I was able to get it to about 10k eHP. Mind you this is with Shield Control V (932k SP), Engineering V(310k SP) and Circuitry V (310k SP), Shield Adaptation III (~350k SP), and PG upgrades III (310k SP). On top of the SP involved in getting to the HAV's hull.

So, what would it take to bring down such a fearsome beastie? Surely a squad of heavies could blast at that all day and not make a dent!

Nope, turns out three people in militia heavy suits with no SP invested could take it out in about ten seconds. It would take a total of nine hits from a 1200 damage/shot militia forge to eat through those shields. Each shot requires a 3.5 second charge, assuming no SP invested into Forge Gun Op. Only eight shots with Weaponry V. If we assume (as you stated) an advanced forge gun and 2x complex damage mods you're looking at six shots to put it in armor. You'll probably need a seventh of finish it off. Unless we give that same forger Forge Gun Proficiency III, which boosts the damage a good bit.

Not gonna lie, I was laughing most of the time due to the ridiculousness of the match I just played. But in retrospect, it is a massive game-breaking thing to witness.

3 sagris/gun-logi tanks on the bowl map in regular Ambush, sported by WTF and Seraphim. All rolling as a tight knit group (like a pack IMPs in a pub match). I brought all the packed AV nades I could, but it did absolutely nothing to these tanks. At best it got them to back off a tiny bit, but even after lobbing 4-8 packed AV's as a single tank as concentrated AV, it still did relatively nothing to them. And even if it did, they were a train of tanks, one right after the other (literally).

Something has to be done about this, either by map restrictions that limit the amount of vehicles based on the map size/type/etc (for example, bowl map would only be allowed ONE tank at a time), or flat out vehicle/tank-free ambush matches.

It is downright cowardly to do this, tanks are the only thing in this game that are 95% guaranteed to win based on how much Sp/ISK you put into them. The same cannot be said about prototype anything/everything for infantry suits, as they can easily die by full blown militia gear.

you know whats better, killing the drivers before they get to their tanks :p

Don't like tanks then fit an Anti tank class
it is very simple
people cry way too much
(before you fail troll me
No i don't drive tanks)
also if you are going to say "oh no i have to skill into av"
guess what...
they skilled into tanks

As a tank driver, I fear the days when friendly fire is implemented. All those bluedots wanting to drive my tank...

/shudder

I was there; the enemy tanks kept rolling in at some point.


Have a bunch of AV fittings ready and keep the Militia one at hand.

As soon as you hear the delivery ship, get in position and try to get cover and a Lock-On.

Before respawning, check your map quickly to plan a strategic deployment (getting out of harms way quickly and position to get a good line of fire).


I had a blast hunting those HAV!

could CCP just set the match making up so squads that have similar set -ups be matched against each other?
ex)
Instead of randomly putting squads in matches where they could end up on the same team, set the matchmaking to automatically match the squad inventory with another squad inventory and put them on opposite teams.
God that's a horrible explanation.

basically if one squad of WTF had tanks then the game would try to match them against another squad who had tanks.
you can do infantry squads the same way too

Good idea, but I do not think it will solve it completely. I have for example ~12 tanks in my inventory but only rarely use them, mostly when I get tired of being hit by snipers. If the opposite team are running tanks I will rather pull out my Forge Gun and chase them around. Maybe it could cross check both inventory and also how skill points are used, I have 12 tanks but no skill points in LAV or HAV.

Or maybe they just throw up another mode where you can't deploy tanks?

I mean I kinda see OPs point.

I'm not saying tanks are OP but they require teamwork to beat so why are they useable in a mode where EVERYONE knows teamwork doesn't exist?

All this whining should be fixed if ccp ever gets around to making the high low and null secs. That way all the randoms who are new can stay in their little area while all the people with experience battle it out elsewhere.

Don't take this the wrong way, because it isn't meant as a troll. But don't you think it's ironic you're in a pub-stomping corp, complaining about someone using tools in the game to pub-stomp you?

Do I like tanks in ambush as an infantry player? Only if they are milita. But I won't make a post complaining about them, they are another tool to use. (a big blunt one that hurts)

bad idea
ALL INFANTRY would play this as its easier for them as it suits their specialisations leaving only tankers and AV specs on ambush.

AV specs will kill tanks causing them to quit (afterall AV kills HAV easily so 16 AVs will insta kill ANY tank)


therefore tankers would be only able to play skirmish which takes too long and pays too little (SP and ISK)