No

I hate the fact that anyone can call in a LAV and just try to run people over the whole match and I know LAVs are easy to destroy yes but why is it that we can get free LAVs and not free tanks with little to no risk of losing lots of cash, flying without the fear of losing a 150K+ dropship? Oh yeah that's right cause those are horrible ideas. So can we pleas get rid of these free LAVs and force people to risk some money by having to actually purchase one.

EDIT and idea: I saw the price of a militia LAV and thought maybe a tad overpriced for something so easily wrecked still believe in the removing of free LAVs but maybe reduce the price of LAVs just a little (reducing the price to ~25K for militia would be advisable)

We already did try the free tanks. Nearly ruined the game.

Currently I don't mind the free LAVs as they are just too easy to kill. Even my militia swarm launcher can make mince meat out of them.

While I can understand what you're saying, at least with the free LAV its not as infuriating when somebody inevitably steals it and then crashes it or gets blown to bits 5 seconds later.

I know about the free tanks ruining the game before that is what I was referring to. Anyways I didn't know that the free LAV thing was as heated as I thought it was (thanks appia) and thranx your argument is null cause as I said you can simply buy a militia (no skill required) LAV if you need to get from point A to point B in such a hurry. Vermakk your argument is invalid as well because you don't see starter tanks and dropships so why is there a starter LAV

There isn't a free dropship or hav you because like it was already said those ruined the game.

first off no name calling.

second off that's the point there is no free dropships or tanks so there should be no free LAVs

No one is going to abandon a tank, everyone gets the hell out of an LAV the instant sh*t goes down. The two are hardly comparable. LAVs are disposable, tanks aren't.

You keep forgetting, when it was actually tested with all vehicles being free lavs weren't and still aren't game breaking

second off that's the point there is no free dropships or tanks so there should be no free LAVs

When was the last time you ditched a dropship or tank? When was the last time you didn't ditch a LAV? Who in there right mind would ever stay in one the entire match? The things are death traps.


Their only value is free kills for the other team.

your right, LAV aren't really game breaking but their value is diminished by being a free item.

Which is fodder for the weakest Av

LAVs are far to easily destroyed, regardless of how I fit it. It won't survive the match, that's guaranteed. Calling one in is just throwing away isk, I'm guessing that's the reason they're free.

If you read post 17 you might agree with me in the fact people will most likely upgrade an LAV if they purchase it

same could be said about dropships and tanks if you don't fit it good enough and do dangerous things with it then it most likely won't survive.

Even upgraded they're easily destroyed because of the low pg/cpu not allowing buffer and repairing mods

Ugghhh... You're not getting me. Plain in simple: LAVS aren't worth any SP or ISK investment. The LAV is just momentary transportation and is meant to be easily disposable. Tanks and drop ships aren't.

Even upgraded they're easily destroyed because of the low pg/cpu not allowing buffer and repairing mods

Ahh excellent point but looking at the basic LAV (not militia) you's see it could survive a forge gun blast (I'll admit barely) but nonetheless with very decisive planing a LAV can be a formidable weapon in the right hands but until it's released from the shackles of being a free item it won't be seen as such

I see... but I don't think you see my side of the point if LAVs are treated as disposable items then that's all they will ever be but if you have to risk something on an LAV then you'll at least try and and help it survive

My post was about the standard lav

Help it survive how exactly? Once someone wants it dead, then it's going down no "if"s "and"s or "but"s. Even if I could keep it alive all match, I still wouldn't want to stay in it all match; running people over isn't anywhere near as easy as busting out a tank.

The purpose of an LAV isn't to run people over it's to transport people over land from point A to B

and if I wanted a tank dead "then it's going down no "if"s "and"s or "but"s"

Give pilots and drivers proper rewards, and then we can remove free LAVs.

by technicality the basic is the standard with the militia being the sub-standard but I get what your saying. I don't know if you have tried to mod the free LAV or militia but it is still possible to tank with those with the right modifications

You can barely take one wave of militia swarms in a standard lav(as in the one that requires sp

I'm trying hard to see your point could you explain how giving drivers proper rewards would be the only way of making free LAVs obsolete

Putting LAV in enemy territory+ proximity mine=

A dropship pilot should get WP for flying, as it is they get squat, the same should apply to LAV drivers. Until using a vehicle actually has rewards, I see no reason to charge for them.

There should also be a way to lock vehicles so no one steal them.

I'm sorry but you honestly believe dropships should be given points for flying I could hover on one side of the map and just farm points I was thinking for dropships the MCRU should give points and maybe you could give finer details on how WP awards could go to them but this is for a different topic

not everything means instant reward sometimes you do things just to win the game even if you aren't top of the leaderboard if you feel you're accomplishing something (driving people from one point to another) then that's your reward

yeah that needs to go on a different topic

Almost every dropship pilot would disagree.

Why? These are all reason why removing free LAVs is a bad idea.

with... need details okay?





how does locking vehicles tie in with removing free LAVs

1. Search it up. There's a couple of threads on the subject.

2. I'm not going top spend money if a random teamate is just going to steal it as soon as I get out for any reason.

2. Same with tanks and dropships!

It should extend to them too!

YES

You should have the option to lock your vehicle, but you run the risk of someone destroying/hacking it while you're gone.

Hmm I believe we have gotten off topic... but nonetheless why should we bother with vehicles at all then that's what your saying cause any vehicle can be stolen or destroyed.

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Tanks kill, what do Dropships and Lavs get?

but my point is still valid why mess with any vehicle at all these are your words, your logic, your way of thinking not mine friend

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Tanks kill, what do Dropships and Lavs get?

I generally use them as transport/evac for my squad getting them where they need to go and should it be too hot GTFO as well as the gunner sprays plasma at the hostiles. good times have been had doing that

what's to say that a dedicated LAV driver won't stay with his LAV

Yeah, but are those 25(X) assist kill points worth staying in the LAV all match?

who says I don't jump out?

A dedicated driver also wouldn't be using the free one in the first place

They blow up if left alone after a while, and according to Jax they should not be disposable.

They blow up if left alone after a while, and according to Jax they should not be disposable.

We won't ever have dedicated drivers if there is no need to protect a free vehicle

They blow up if left alone after a while, and according to Jax they should not be disposable.

and all vehicles have that blow up thing even tanks it's just that no one really leaves a tank alone

a standard lav won't be destroyed easily if fit correctly

And not instantly going boom isn't enough of an incentive?

And not instantly going boom isn't enough of an incentive?

They blow up if left alone after a while, and according to Jax they should not be disposable.

1. Yes it was a double negative

2. But double negatives are acceptable when they are needed to emphasize something

3. "And surviving isn't enough of an incentive?"

in this case surviving = not going boom

Yeah, I've already discussed why no one leaves tanks alone, they're actually useful all match... and they cost a lot.

Those aren't free.

3. "And surviving isn't enough of an incentive?"


2. uhh no never.

3. that's a single negative last i checked 1 /= 2

2. uhh no never.

3. that's a single negative last i checked 1 /= 2

Tangents, man, tangents.

yes I'll admit you got me but let's go back to the fact the free LAVs break the rule that if you die you lose it so why shouldn't that go for the LAVs

I could use starter fits... but how about BPOs instead? Not everything has to be lost.

starter fits are there so players can get a feel for different roles on the battle

and BPOs would be perfectly acceptable but costly and they should have one for HAVs and dropships as well

I completely agree with the OP. Free LAVs swarming the map and loading up the RDV queue is obnoxious. I once waited 2 minutes on my pilot alt because of all the LAVs being spawned.

I suggest a somewhat simple fix that might have people screaming foul. Don't take the free LAV away. Make it slower and take away its weapon and add a third seat. Most people who argue to keep the LAV in this thread all seem to have one thing in common: they all use the free LAV as a personal transport. Since few people suggest that the Light ASSAULT Vehicle is good for much else (as in, you hardly do much assaulting in the thing just fly to location and ditch out upon arrival), make the starter LAV a simple quick transport vehicle.

The caveat is that you have to give starting drivers/pilots some incentive to ferry people using better militia or standard LAVs (which cost money...something we ALL FREAKING AGREE ON). There are probably 20 posts confirming that 1) non starter LAVs, tanks and drops cost money and 2) tanks and drops aren't "useless."

If a starting driver wants a gun on his vehicle for vehicle kill assist in addition to transport WP, he'll just have to buy a militia LAV. Risk...reward...

Grand idea essentially turning it into only carrying people and if it tries to run people over it will be less successful in the attempt because it's slowed, very nice.

and as I said many times over in the right hands the LAV can be a useful tool but won't be seen as such since it is free and can be discarded

if we brought back free dropships people will see them only as disposable transport NOT a useful tool that it has shown itself to be

I suggest a somewhat simple fix that might have people screaming foul. Don't take the free LAV away. Make it slower and take away its weapon and add a third seat. Most people who argue to keep the LAV in this thread all seem to have one thing in common: they all use the free LAV as a personal transport. Since few people suggest that the Light ASSAULT Vehicle is good for much else (as in, you hardly do much assaulting in the thing just fly to location and ditch out upon arrival), make the starter LAV a simple quick transport vehicle.

1. There's nothing stopping people from using the more expensive LAVs now. If they're really all that useful once you get past the starter LAV, then the starter LAVs serve as a great decoy for people who know how to use the better ones (i.e., your enemies expect a weak freebie and don't take you seriously until you've mowed half of them down). Have you had a lot of success with higher-tier LAVs?
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To evolve this idea--add a variant that squad leaders can call in, called "LTV" (transport), and instead of 3 seats, it has 4 (so you can take your whole squad with you). I think you'd be surprised how much this could cut down on the number of vehicles called. Currently the only way to transport your whole squad is to spawn a dropship, and most people don't want to spend that money just to get from A to B. We can then make any LTV spawns beyond the first one require a token war point expense (say 100 WP).

We'd have to re-think this if we get larger squads, though.