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Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:27:00 -
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LAVs are a joke, the things are so useless that I wouldn't use one if I actually had to pay for it. That said, I wouldn't mind their removal, but wanting them removed just cause you got run over? lol |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:34:00 -
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No one is going to abandon a tank, everyone gets the hell out of an LAV the instant sh*t goes down the two are hardly comparable. LAVs are disposable, tanks aren't. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:46:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:
second off that's the point there is no free dropships or tanks so there should be no free LAVs
When was the last time you ditched a dropship or tank? When was the last time you didn't ditch a LAV? Who in there right mind would ever stay in one the entire match? The things are death traps. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:56:00 -
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LAVs are far too easily destroyed, regardless of how I fit it. It won't survive the match, that's guaranteed. Calling one in is just throwing away isk, I'm guessing that's the reason they're free. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:04:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:LAVs are far to easily destroyed, regardless of how I fit it. It won't survive the match, that's guaranteed. Calling one in is just throwing away isk, I'm guessing that's the reason they're free. same could be said about dropships and tanks if you don't fit it good enough and do dangerous things with it then it most likely won't survive.
Ugghhh... You're not getting me. Plain in simple: LAVS aren't worth any SP or ISK investment. The LAV is just momentary transportation and is meant to be easily disposable. Tanks and drop ships aren't. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:13:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:
I see... but I don't think you see my side of the point if LAVs are treated as disposable items then that's all they will ever be but if you have to risk something on an LAV then you'll at least try and and help it survive
Help it survive how exactly? Once someone wants it dead, then it's going down no "if"s "and"s or "but"s. Even if I could keep it alive all match, I still wouldn't want to stay in it all match; running people over isn't anywhere near as easy as busting out a tank. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:25:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:
I see... but I don't think you see my side of the point if LAVs are treated as disposable items then that's all they will ever be but if you have to risk something on an LAV then you'll at least try and and help it survive
Help it survive how exactly? Once someone wants it dead, then it's going down no "if"s "and"s or "but"s. Even if I could keep it alive all match, I still wouldn't want to stay in it all match; running people over isn't anywhere near as easy as busting out a tank. The purpose of an LAV isn't to run people over it's to transport people over land from point A to B and if I wanted a tank dead "then it's going down no "if"s "and"s or "but"s"
Exactly why staying in one pointless, the same is true for dropship pilots. Vehicle users, aside from tanks, have one of the hardest roles and the least rewards. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:27:00 -
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Give pilots and drivers proper rewards, and then we can remove free LAVs. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:38:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Give pilots and drivers proper rewards, and then we can remove free LAVs. I'm trying hard to see your point could you explain how giving drivers proper rewards would be the only way of making free LAVs obsolete
A dropship pilot should get WP for flying, as it is they get squat, the same should apply to LAV drivers. Until using a vehicle actually has rewards, I see no reason to charge for them. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:44:00 -
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There should also be a way to lock vehicles so no one steal them. |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:45:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:
I'm sorry but you honestly believe dropships should be given points for flying I could hover on one side of the map and just farm points I was thinking for dropships the MCRU should give points and maybe you could give finer details on how WP awards could go to them but this is for a different topic
not everything means instant reward sometimes you do things just to win the game even if you aren't top of the leaderboard if you feel you're accomplishing something (driving people from one point to another) then that's your reward
Almost every dropship pilot would disagree.
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:46:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:There should also be a way to lock vehicles so no one steal them. yeah that needs to go on a different topic
Why? These are all reasons why removing free LAVs is a bad idea. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:52:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:
Almost every dropship pilot would disagree.
with... need details okay? Sloth9230 wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:There should also be a way to lock vehicles so no one steal them. yeah that needs to go on a different topic Why? These are all reason why removing free LAVs is a bad idea. how does locking vehicles tie in with removing free LAVs
1. Search it up. There's a couple of threads on the subject. the point is that their is no incentive for anyone to want to be a pilot, their needs to be win. Helping the team? lol, it doesn't mean much when the leaderboards make everyone think you're a bad player.
2. I'm not going top spend money if a random teamate is just going to steal it as soon as I get out for any reason. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:57:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:
2. Same with tanks and dropships!
It should extend to them too! |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 04:03:00 -
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YES
You should have the option to lock your vehicle, but you run the risk of someone destroying/hacking it while you're gone. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 04:09:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:YES
You should have the option to lock your vehicle, but you run the risk of someone destroying/hacking it while you're gone. Hmm I believe we have gotten off topic... but nonetheless why should we bother with vehicles at all then that's what your saying cause any vehicle can be stolen or destroyed.
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Tanks kill, what do Dropships and Lavs get? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 04:20:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:YES
You should have the option to lock your vehicle, but you run the risk of someone destroying/hacking it while you're gone. Hmm I believe we have gotten off topic... but nonetheless why should we bother with vehicles at all then that's what your saying cause any vehicle can be stolen or destroyed. ... Tanks kill, what do Dropships and Lavs get? but my point is still valid why mess with any vehicle at all these are your words, your logic, your way of thinking not mine friend
You've twisted my logic and disregarded everything else as off-topic
You will almost never see a tanker ditch a tank, unless it's about to go boom, therefore they will almost never get stolen.
The same is true for dropships, even though they have no rewards they still cost a lot.
The same is in no way true for LAVs, therefore there is no reason to charge for them. Militia LAVS, and everything higher, need a big buff before we start charging for them, as it is they are merely disposable transportation and spending any ISK on them would be a waste. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 04:32:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:I generally use them as transport/evac for my squad getting them where they need to go and should it be too hot GTFO as well as the gunner sprays plasma at the hostiles. good times have been had doing that 
Yeah, but are those 25(X) assist kill points worth staying in the LAV all match? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 04:39:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:
what's to say that a dedicated LAV driver won't stay with his LAV
The fact that they go boom so easily, that's why they need a buff. A dedicated driver also wouldn't be using the free one in the first place, you're only problem with those is that they can run you over. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 04:46:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:
who says I don't jump out?
They blow up if left alone after a while, and according to Jax they should not be disposable.
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 04:50:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:A dedicated driver also wouldn't be using the free one in the first place We won't ever have dedicated drivers if there is no need to protect a free vehicle
And not instantly going boom isn't enough of an incentive? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 04:52:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:
who says I don't jump out?
They blow up if left alone after a while, and according to Jax they should not be disposable. and all vehicles have that blow up thing even tanks it's just that no one really leaves a tank alone Yeah, I've already discussed why no one leaves tanks alone, they're actually useful all match... and they cost a lot.
Sinboto Simmons wrote:
a standard lav won't be destroyed easily if fit correctly
Those aren't free. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 04:57:00 -
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That wasn't a double negative. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 05:08:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:
And not instantly going boom isn't enough of an incentive?
Yes it was a double negative
But double negatives are acceptable when they are needed to emphasize something
"And surviving isn't enough of an incentive?"
in this case surviving = not going boom |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 05:17:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:3. "And surviving isn't enough of an incentive?" 2.  uhh no never. 3. that's a single negative last i checked 1 /= 2
Surviving = not going boom. two negatives don't automatically multiply
Anyway, I don't give a ****  |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 05:23:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:2. uhh no never. 3. that's a single negative last i checked 1 /= 2
Surviving = not going boom. two negatives don't automatically multiply
Anyway, I don't give a ****
As for 2.
I ask my teacher if I can go to the bathroom.
He say's "No, you can't"
Did he just say yes?
No, he didn't.
Double negatives aren't always wrong and they don't always make a positive.
EDIT: You did it yourself in case you didn't notice "uhh no never." |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 05:35:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Tex Mex Aztec wrote:Tangents, man, tangents. yes I'll admit you got me but let's go back to the fact the free LAVs break the rule that if you die you lose it so why shouldn't that go for the LAVs
I could use starter fits... but how about BPOs instead? Not everything has to be lost. |
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